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DVD Maker - Issues found on first project



 
 
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Old September 23rd 06, 07:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Dave Nuttall
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

My first attempt at burning a DVD with DVD Maker revealed a number of issues.

The project was to put 8 episodes of Molto Mario on a DVD. Each episode was
contained in an .mpg file of about 0.5GB. The video files were downloaded
from a DirecTV TiVo, and therefore have a non-standard resolution of 480x480.
I have manually built a DVD with these same episodes, and it works just fine
- but it takes time to put together and involves using several different
tools. My hope was that DVD Maker would simplify and streamline the process.


Issue 1. DVD Maker allows me to add the 8 video files. There is a message at
the lower left warning me that they are 90 minutes over disc capacity. The
last 4 files (totaling 120 minutes) are flagged "Will not fit". There is a
discrepancy here between the reported over capacity time and the number of
files flagged "Will not fit".


Issue 2. Inspection shows that the 5th file (the first "Will not fit") is
00:30:01 long, the 6th is 00:29:59 long. Moving the 6th file up to the 5th
slot changes the message to "149/150 minutes used", and the last 3 files are
flagged "Will not fit". The method of calculating what will fit is wrong - a
DVD does not have a hard 150-minute limit, it has a size limit in bytes.
Using time as a proxy is inaccurate and misleading.


Issue 3. There is no way to deal with the over capacity issue other than to
remove files. Two alternatives that I would like to see a

a) An option to use the .mpg files as-is, with no re-encoding. The files are
playable by most modern DVD players, and leaving them alone will avoid the
quality loss caused by re-encoding.

b) A "Shrink to fit" option. When re-encoding the files do compression /
quality adjustments as needed to ensure that all eight would fit on the DVD.


I decide to continue with all eight files to see what will happen, set the
Disk Title to "Molto Mario!", and click Next.


Issue 4. In "Customize Menu", I would like to add text to the scene
selection buttons. An excellent default for this would be the name of the
video file.


Issue 5. In "Customize Menu", I would like some control over the scene
selection buttons layout. A number of simple options such as grid setting of
2x3, 2x4, 3x3 etc, and left / center / right justification of the buttons in
the grid would be a great improvement.


Issue 6. In "Customize Menu", I would like more control over the video
selection for the foreground and background, and the buttons. Immediate
access to the video that is part of the project would be useful (rather than
having to browse for the files). The ability to pick out the video clip by
start time and stop time (rather than have DVD Maker pick out a random clip)
is essential.


As I do not have any more changes I can make, I click on "Burn", and get an
error message telling me to remove some videos or pictures. So I go back to
delete the excess files and burn the DVD.


Issue 7. Video is ahead of audio by about 2 seconds. When playing the DVD,
either as a whole or scene by scene, the video leads the audio by about 2
seconds.


Issue 8. Root Menu and Title Menu are the same – Title Menu should be the
scene selection buttons.


Issue 9. In WMP 11, the right menu has "Unknown DVD", and "Title 1", "Title
2", etc. I would expect "Molto Mario" instead of "Unknown DVD". As noted
above, there is no way to set scene button text – when this is added I would
expect it to show up as the Title text.


Issue 10. There is no AUDIO_TS directory on the DVD. Some older players
require that this directory be present, even if it is empty.


Issue 11. It would be useful if DVD Maker had the ability to burn from ISO
files and from a hard drive DVD directory structure.


The re-encoded video quality is excellent – almost as good as that produced
by my Oppo up-converting DVD player from the original 480x480 .mpg files, and
significantly better than that produced by the source TiVo.


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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video
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Old September 25th 06, 08:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Colin Grant
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project


"Dave Nuttall" wrote in message
...
My first attempt at burning a DVD with DVD Maker revealed a number of
issues.

The project was to put 8 episodes of Molto Mario on a DVD. Each episode
was
contained in an .mpg file of about 0.5GB. The video files were downloaded
from a DirecTV TiVo, and therefore have a non-standard resolution of
480x480.
I have manually built a DVD with these same episodes, and it works just
fine
- but it takes time to put together and involves using several different
tools. My hope was that DVD Maker would simplify and streamline the
process.


Issue 1. DVD Maker allows me to add the 8 video files. There is a message
at
the lower left warning me that they are 90 minutes over disc capacity. The
last 4 files (totaling 120 minutes) are flagged "Will not fit". There is a
discrepancy here between the reported over capacity time and the number of
files flagged "Will not fit".


Issue 2. Inspection shows that the 5th file (the first "Will not fit") is
00:30:01 long, the 6th is 00:29:59 long. Moving the 6th file up to the 5th
slot changes the message to "149/150 minutes used", and the last 3 files
are
flagged "Will not fit". The method of calculating what will fit is wrong -
a
DVD does not have a hard 150-minute limit, it has a size limit in bytes.
Using time as a proxy is inaccurate and misleading.


Issue 3. There is no way to deal with the over capacity issue other than
to
remove files. Two alternatives that I would like to see a

a) An option to use the .mpg files as-is, with no re-encoding. The files
are
playable by most modern DVD players, and leaving them alone will avoid the
quality loss caused by re-encoding.

b) A "Shrink to fit" option. When re-encoding the files do compression /
quality adjustments as needed to ensure that all eight would fit on the
DVD.


I decide to continue with all eight files to see what will happen, set the
Disk Title to "Molto Mario!", and click Next.


Issue 4. In "Customize Menu", I would like to add text to the scene
selection buttons. An excellent default for this would be the name of the
video file.


Issue 5. In "Customize Menu", I would like some control over the scene
selection buttons layout. A number of simple options such as grid setting
of
2x3, 2x4, 3x3 etc, and left / center / right justification of the buttons
in
the grid would be a great improvement.


Issue 6. In "Customize Menu", I would like more control over the video
selection for the foreground and background, and the buttons. Immediate
access to the video that is part of the project would be useful (rather
than
having to browse for the files). The ability to pick out the video clip by
start time and stop time (rather than have DVD Maker pick out a random
clip)
is essential.


As I do not have any more changes I can make, I click on "Burn", and get
an
error message telling me to remove some videos or pictures. So I go back
to
delete the excess files and burn the DVD.


Issue 7. Video is ahead of audio by about 2 seconds. When playing the DVD,
either as a whole or scene by scene, the video leads the audio by about 2
seconds.


Issue 8. Root Menu and Title Menu are the same – Title Menu should be the
scene selection buttons.


Issue 9. In WMP 11, the right menu has "Unknown DVD", and "Title 1",
"Title
2", etc. I would expect "Molto Mario" instead of "Unknown DVD". As noted
above, there is no way to set scene button text – when this is added I
would
expect it to show up as the Title text.


Issue 10. There is no AUDIO_TS directory on the DVD. Some older players
require that this directory be present, even if it is empty.


Issue 11. It would be useful if DVD Maker had the ability to burn from ISO
files and from a hard drive DVD directory structure.


The re-encoded video quality is excellent – almost as good as that
produced
by my Oppo up-converting DVD player from the original 480x480 .mpg files,
and
significantly better than that produced by the source TiVo.


----------------
This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
this
link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
click "I Agree" in the message pane.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...pictures_video


You mention control over menu and scene control. As far as the letter is
concerned I can find no control whatsoever - Movie maker decides which
scenes to use and that is that! Or am I missing something?

Nice progs the MM and DVD Maker are - I'd rather have no scenes at all than
have to work with a selection that I cannot control. I suppose one could use
an external DVD authoring tool but I have not worked out how to save
anything other than a project or WMV file file in MM. Again, any ideas?

Thanks
Colin

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Old September 25th 06, 04:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Dave Nuttall
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

"Colin Grant" wrote in message
...

You mention control over menu and scene control. As far as the letter is
concerned I can find no control whatsoever - Movie maker decides which
scenes to use and that is that! Or am I missing something?

Nice progs the MM and DVD Maker are - I'd rather have no scenes at all
than have to work with a selection that I cannot control. I suppose one
could use an external DVD authoring tool but I have not worked out how to
save anything other than a project or WMV file file in MM. Again, any
ideas?

Thanks
Colin

In XP, I typically do three things related to DVD production:

I use MM to edit school plays. I typically produce one high quality WMV file
per scene, and then assemble and burn these using MyDVD. MyDVD does a
reasonable job of button layout, button image selection, and button
labeling.

MyDVD does a lousy job of re-encoding the 480x480 TiVo .mpg files, so I use
TyTool to create a DVD file structure on the hard drive, and Nero to burn
the DVD. This allows me to bypass the re-encoding - but the menus TyTool
produces are not the best, plus Nero has become fat and bloated.

The other DVD tool I use is DVDburn.exe - from Microsoft - to burn ISO
images with minimal fuss.

In Vista, I was hoping that DVD Maker would simplify my life by being a
single tool that would do a good job of all the things I need to do. I saw
the note about automatic scene selection, but that did not kick in on the
Molto Mario project. I hope that it is a typo for automatic chapter
selection - the Molto Mario DVD has chapter marks every 5 minutes, which is
just perfect. As with my previous comments, I would prefer some direct
control - say chapter marks on cuts, every x minutes, or selected by hand.

My overall impression is that DVD Maker is trying to automate too much, and
unless they allow more control by the user, I'll still be using a mish mash
of other stuff on Vista.


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Old October 23rd 07, 05:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Jaime
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

This answers my question, but unfortunately it was not the answer I was
hoping for. I was looking for how to edit the scene selection menu because
mine works, but shows no images, just black squares. The video plays just
fine, but gives the viewer no clue as to which scene to choose. The main menu
works great.

My movie editing software works great from editing through burning the DVD,
but I really like the animated menus in Windows DVD Maker.
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Old December 22nd 09, 03:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Matt
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

I have the same problem of 'it will not fit' which is complete rubbish. I
have a 4.7 GB DVD R and i am trying to put 4 avi files on there and it is
nowhere near the limit and it says "will not fit".
Any awnsers or help?
Thanks guys
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Old December 22nd 09, 03:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
Matt
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

I have the same problem of 'it will not fit' which is complete rubbish. I
have a 4.7 GB DVD R and i am trying to put 4 avi files on there and it is
nowhere near the limit and it says "will not fit".
Any awnsers or help?
Thanks guys
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Old December 23rd 09, 04:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
John Inzer[_2_]
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Default DVD Maker - Issues found on first project

matt wrote:
I have the same problem of 'it will not fit' which is complete
rubbish. I have a 4.7 GB DVD R and i am trying to put 4 avi files on
there and it is nowhere near the limit and it says "will not fit".
Any awnsers or help?
Thanks guys

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