Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I have my
new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from the Vista
and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc from the Vista
to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the Vista computer BUT
NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties window,
the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and searched
and searched and only been shown useless information which has no relation
to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of screens
which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the 'silly' user can
understand what he is doing and have reference only to the things that there
is a good chance that he will know when he is trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to give
100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen or set of
screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided have been
built by networking people and have not passed the most basic Human
Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly' user.

Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more confused
and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files backward and
foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I try to 'C Vista'
which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from the speakers and I
assume this means that I cannot access the Vista machine from the XP
Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely this is
not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers in
my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer on
the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from the
Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise my
blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I have
my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from the
Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc from the
Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the Vista
computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties window,
the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and searched
and searched and only been shown useless information which has no relation
to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of screens
which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the 'silly' user can
understand what he is doing and have reference only to the things that
there is a good chance that he will know when he is trying to setup his
LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to give
100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen or set of
screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided have been
built by networking people and have not passed the most basic Human
Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly' user.

Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing problems on
a home network that there would have been some response from the Microsoft
Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news
Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more confused
and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files backward and
foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I try to 'C Vista'
which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from the speakers and I
assume this means that I cannot access the Vista machine from the XP
Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely this
is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers in
my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer on
the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from
the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise my
blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I have
my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from the
Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc from
the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the Vista
computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties window,
the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which has
no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of screens
which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the 'silly' user
can understand what he is doing and have reference only to the things
that there is a good chance that he will know when he is trying to setup
his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to give
100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen or set
of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided have
been built by networking people and have not passed the most basic Human
Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly' user.

Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the drive
to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions too via the
permissions button.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing problems
on a home network that there would have been some response from the
Microsoft Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news
Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more confused
and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files backward and
foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I try to 'C
Vista' which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from the speakers
and I assume this means that I cannot access the Vista machine from the
XP Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely this
is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers
in my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer
on the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista
Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from
the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise
my blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I
have my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from
the Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc
from the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the
Vista computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties
window, the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which has
no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of
screens which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the
'silly' user can understand what he is doing and have reference only to
the things that there is a good chance that he will know when he is
trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to give
100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen or set
of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided have
been built by networking people and have not passed the most basic Human
Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly' user.

Hello,

Users store data inside their user profile folder, which is what sharing is
geared towards. Sharing an entire drive is unnecesarry for normal users and
is actually a very bad idea, especially if there is an installation of
windows residing on that drive.

Permissions to access files (whether over the network or locally) is based
on users, not computers. When you access windows vista from the network, you
have the same access to the files inside of the share as you would if you
were logged in on the vista machine itself trying to access the files.

If you have turned OFF password-protected sharing, everyone connecting to
your Vista computer will be logged in as a guest, which means they won't
have access to much.

Also, Windows Vista does not allow you to use "administrator" power over the
network by default - so, if you are trying to access a file over the network
that is only accessible by administrators, you will get access denied even
if you are accessing that file via an administrator login.

I bet that last one is the problem you are experiencing, assuming you have
password-protected sharing turned on.

Try enabling "administrator" powers over the network:

- Open the registry editor
- Browse to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\system\
- Create a new DWORD value named LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
- Set the value equal to 1
- Restart your computer


--
- JB

Windows Vista Support Faq
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Wot box below????


Iz my computer - Vista not showing me something????

Garry, not Harry
Batteries are included and Charging



"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the drive
to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions too via
the permissions button.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing problems
on a home network that there would have been some response from the
Microsoft Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news
Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more
confused and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files
backward and foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I
try to 'C Vista' which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from
the speakers and I assume this means that I cannot access the Vista
machine from the XP Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely this
is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers
in my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer
on the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista
Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from
the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise
my blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I
have my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer from
the Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete etc
from the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see the
Vista computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties
window, the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which has
no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in private
dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set of
screens which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the
'silly' user can understand what he is doing and have reference only to
the things that there is a good chance that he will know when he is
trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to
give 100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen
or set of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens provided
have been built by networking people and have not passed the most basic
Human Engineering tests to see how they are understood by the 'silly'
user.

Properties for your C drive Sharing tab Network File and Folder
Sharing.....the box below that = "Advanced Sharing". Check 'Share this
folder' and lo and behold you can then share your entire C drive. There is
a permissions button. You will need to set permissions for 'Everyone' to
Full Control, Change and Read.

Your batteries must have been on vacation

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)

"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Wot box below????


Iz my computer - Vista not showing me something????

Garry, not Harry
Batteries are included and Charging



"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the
drive to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions
too via the permissions button.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing problems
on a home network that there would have been some response from the
Microsoft Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more
confused and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files
backward and foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I
try to 'C Vista' which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from
the speakers and I assume this means that I cannot access the Vista
machine from the XP Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely
this is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which computers
in my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a computer
on the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the Vista
Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it from
the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and raise
my blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I
have my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer
from the Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy. delete
etc from the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I can see
the Vista computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties
window, the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which
has no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in
private dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole set
of screens which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that the
'silly' user can understand what he is doing and have reference only
to the things that there is a good chance that he will know when he is
trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to
give 100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen
or set of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens
provided have been built by networking people and have not passed the
most basic Human Engineering tests to see how they are understood by
the 'silly' user.

Dear Jane,

Thank you for your reply.

The parameter windows have already been arranged as you suggested but the
drive is still not accessable from my XP computer.

I have looked into all the ways of adjusting including closing my Windows
Defender Frewall on the Vista machine, restarting and trying to access it
from my XP machinefor a brief instant to see if it helped even though it
seems that I have the correct parameters checked or unchecked.

I notice from posts that I am not alone in having problems networking
although other people are having problems networking specific to printers.

I forgot to mention that when I am 'Vista', I can copy files from my XP
machine. However, I cannot copy to the XP machine. If I am 'XP', I can see
the drive C: of the Vista machine but have no access to it or its folders.

I a using RC2 upgraded from RC1 upgraded from Beta 2

Garry




"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Properties for your C drive Sharing tab Network File and Folder
Sharing.....the box below that = "Advanced Sharing". Check 'Share this
folder' and lo and behold you can then share your entire C drive. There
is a permissions button. You will need to set permissions for 'Everyone'
to Full Control, Change and Read.

Your batteries must have been on vacation

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)

"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Wot box below????


Iz my computer - Vista not showing me something????

Garry, not Harry
Batteries are included and Charging



"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the
drive to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions
too via the permissions button.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing
problems on a home network that there would have been some response
from the Microsoft Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more
confused and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files
backward and foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I
try to 'C Vista' which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from
the speakers and I assume this means that I cannot access the Vista
machine from the XP Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely
this is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which
computers in my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a
computer on the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the
Vista Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it
from the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and
raise my blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I
have my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer
from the Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy.
delete etc from the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I
can see the Vista computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties
window, the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which
has no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in
private dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole
set of screens which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that
the 'silly' user can understand what he is doing and have reference
only to the things that there is a good chance that he will know when
he is trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to
give 100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen
or set of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens
provided have been built by networking people and have not passed the
most basic Human Engineering tests to see how they are understood by
the 'silly' user.

Dear Jane,

When playing with the problem I notices that when 'Vista' and I was looking
at XP, I notices that everything was Read Only. Where this little monkey
came from I have no Idea

And. When I tried the alter this from Vista, IT LET ME!!!!!!!

From Vista!!!!!!!!!

I am absolutely astonished.

However, I can now copy from my XP machine and copy back to my XP machine so
the pressure is off.

But, the Vista machine is not accessable from my XP machine in any way.

Du you think that praying might help?????

To Microsoft - I mean?????

Garry


"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Properties for your C drive Sharing tab Network File and Folder
Sharing.....the box below that = "Advanced Sharing". Check 'Share this
folder' and lo and behold you can then share your entire C drive. There
is a permissions button. You will need to set permissions for 'Everyone'
to Full Control, Change and Read.

Your batteries must have been on vacation

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)

"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Wot box below????


Iz my computer - Vista not showing me something????

Garry, not Harry
Batteries are included and Charging



"Jane C" wrote in message
...
Advanced sharing button in the box below will enable the root of the
drive to be shared, ie the entire C drive. You need to set permissions
too via the permissions button.

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation :-)
"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Well, I updated to RC2 yesterday evening and am back to square one.

I would have thought by the number of posts relating to sharing
problems on a home network that there would have been some response
from the Microsoft Vista Team.

Mums the word.

Suffer in silence and don't rock the boat.

What a fiasco.

Garry





"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
news Well. after messing around for a long time and getting ever more
confused and bewildered, Vista suddenly allowed me to copy files
backward and foreward from the XP computer BUT, if on the XP machind I
try to 'C Vista' which is the sharename, I get a huge 'bummmmmf' from
the speakers and I assume this means that I cannot access the Vista
machine from the XP Machine.

Much clearer help material is needed to setup a LAN at home. Surely
this is not asking too much from Microsoft.

Perhaps even allowing me to define on the Vista machine which
computers in my workgroup I will allow which standard of Access.

A screen, on the Vista machine which will allow me to select a
computer on the WorkGroup and where I can assign it priviliges on the
Vista Machine.

If such a screen exists, I havent found it or any directions to it
from the Help file.

Just screens that send me round and round and round and round and
raise my blood pressure.

Garry


"Garry Grolman" wrote in message
...
Such mundane tasks and I find myself going round and round and round.
I have a small Microsoft Network, (ISDN Modem and Router hub), and I
have my new RC1 Vista installation. I can see my other XP computer
from the Vista and even go into its folders BUT, I cannot copy.
delete etc from the Vista to the XP computer. From the XP computer, I
can see the Vista computer BUT NOT get into any of it.

On the Vista machine, when I bring up my Local Disk C: Properties
window, the SHARE button is greyed out.

How can I enable this greyed out button?????? I have searched and
searched and searched and only been shown useless information which
has no relation to my problem.

I feel that Microsoft is missing out on something here. LANs in
private dwellings are common place now and there should be a whole
set of screens which are devoid of any reference to Internet so that
the 'silly' user can understand what he is doing and have reference
only to the things that there is a good chance that he will know when
he is trying to setup his LAN.

On a home network, the fact is that the users will probably want to
give 100% access to all the computers on the network. I see no screen
or set of screens to do this. Somehow, I feel that the screens
provided have been built by networking people and have not passed the
most basic Human Engineering tests to see how they are understood by
the 'silly' user.

Dear Jimmy,

Your solution didnt appear to werk at first.

I woz dissappointed as I woz a bit worried about manipulating the registry
data manually and anyway, it still would'nt let me copy from Vista to the
XP. Then I noticed that the error message that I woz getting woz as if the
target directory woz 'Read only'.

I am flabbergasted to tell you that this was the case AND THEN I woz able to
cancel the 'Read only' from my Vista to my XP.

The result iz that I can now copy back from my Vista to my XP machine.

I woz shoched that the XP allowed me to remove the 'Read Only' from the
Vista machine. Then I remembered the registry entry that you suggested that
I do to get some change. So it did werk.

Thank you for the solution although I feel that there must be a more User
Freindly solution somewhere unless the service screens that Microsoft
displays to us to adjust parameters simply do not adjust the correct
parameters.

Forgive me for asking but Hoo are U?????

Who supports your site and is it free of any unwanted things that I may not
want on my XP machine????

I apologise if this seems direct but very little is actually FREE on the
Internet these days.

However, thank you for your assistance

Garry






"Jimmy Brush" wrote in message
...
Hello,

Users store data inside their user profile folder, which is what sharing
is geared towards. Sharing an entire drive is unnecesarry for normal users
and is actually a very bad idea, especially if there is an installation of
windows residing on that drive.

Permissions to access files (whether over the network or locally) is based
on users, not computers. When you access windows vista from the network,
you have the same access to the files inside of the share as you would if
you were logged in on the vista machine itself trying to access the files.

If you have turned OFF password-protected sharing, everyone connecting to
your Vista computer will be logged in as a guest, which means they won't
have access to much.

Also, Windows Vista does not allow you to use "administrator" power over
the network by default - so, if you are trying to access a file over the
network that is only accessible by administrators, you will get access
denied even if you are accessing that file via an administrator login.

I bet that last one is the problem you are experiencing, assuming you have
password-protected sharing turned on.

Try enabling "administrator" powers over the network:

- Open the registry editor
- Browse to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\system\
- Create a new DWORD value named LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy
- Set the value equal to 1
- Restart your computer


--
- JB

Windows Vista Support Faq
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/