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Good day,
I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system.
It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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Since Ready Boost acts as a cache to your virtual/paging file it can engage
in a live system since paging is a normal system activity. Use of Ready Boost has absolutely nothing to do with adding memory to a system with a small amount of memory. MS recommends that your your Ready Boost file size be about twice the size of your main memory so if you have 2GB of ram then you should have 4GB of Ready Boost it possible. Since Vista uses more non-paged main memory as the size of RAM increases it is just as appropriate to have Ready Boost on a 4GB system as it is on a 1GB system. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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All the data stored in a ReadyBoost cache is backed up by a pagefile on a
hard disk. If the flash drive with the ReadyBoost cache is unplugged, Vista falls back to the hard drive so no data loss takes place. But, it does not seek to restore the connection if the USB device is plugged back in. MS Matt Ayers, owner of the ReadyBoost functionality: Q: How much of a speed increase are we talking about? A: Well, that depends. On average, a RANDOM 4K read from flash is about 10x faster than from HDD. Now, how does that translate to end-user perf? Under memory pressure and heavy disk activity, the system is much more responsive; on a 4GB machine with few applications running, the ReadyBoost effect is much less noticable. Experience from actual users: http://manicprogrammer.com/cs/blogs/...02/08/375.aspx 3GB RAM, 4GB ReadyBoost, Core 2 Duo, Vista x86 Notice it actually tends to be worse with ReadyBoost in place. http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...spx?i=2917&p=6 Benchmarking with various RAM configurations. And supports my first comment that ReadyBoost is a waste if you have more than 1GB of memory. The best function of ReadyBoost is speeding up boot time. "JW" wrote in message ... Since Ready Boost acts as a cache to your virtual/paging file it can engage in a live system since paging is a normal system activity. Use of Ready Boost has absolutely nothing to do with adding memory to a system with a small amount of memory. MS recommends that your your Ready Boost file size be about twice the size of your main memory so if you have 2GB of ram then you should have 4GB of Ready Boost it possible. Since Vista uses more non-paged main memory as the size of RAM increases it is just as appropriate to have Ready Boost on a 4GB system as it is on a 1GB system. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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Ready boost does not replace the paging file it only acts as a cache memory
to it so that both reads from the real paging file are not slowed down by the actual time to read data back from from the real paging file on disk. "Mark" wrote in message ... All the data stored in a ReadyBoost cache is backed up by a pagefile on a hard disk. If the flash drive with the ReadyBoost cache is unplugged, Vista falls back to the hard drive so no data loss takes place. But, it does not seek to restore the connection if the USB device is plugged back in. MS Matt Ayers, owner of the ReadyBoost functionality: Q: How much of a speed increase are we talking about? A: Well, that depends. On average, a RANDOM 4K read from flash is about 10x faster than from HDD. Now, how does that translate to end-user perf? Under memory pressure and heavy disk activity, the system is much more responsive; on a 4GB machine with few applications running, the ReadyBoost effect is much less noticable. Experience from actual users: http://manicprogrammer.com/cs/blogs/...02/08/375.aspx 3GB RAM, 4GB ReadyBoost, Core 2 Duo, Vista x86 Notice it actually tends to be worse with ReadyBoost in place. http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...spx?i=2917&p=6 Benchmarking with various RAM configurations. And supports my first comment that ReadyBoost is a waste if you have more than 1GB of memory. The best function of ReadyBoost is speeding up boot time. "JW" wrote in message ... Since Ready Boost acts as a cache to your virtual/paging file it can engage in a live system since paging is a normal system activity. Use of Ready Boost has absolutely nothing to do with adding memory to a system with a small amount of memory. MS recommends that your your Ready Boost file size be about twice the size of your main memory so if you have 2GB of ram then you should have 4GB of Ready Boost it possible. Since Vista uses more non-paged main memory as the size of RAM increases it is just as appropriate to have Ready Boost on a 4GB system as it is on a 1GB system. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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Although USB devices can be inserted/removed with unit running - they do not
function the same between units and during some on/off periods. Reason is USB ports are initilaized from "scratch" when a device is inserted - which is primary difficulty in booting from USB. Interesting comments - First as already stated ReadyBoost is not an adjunct to RAM - it functions as an aid to "Superfetch" (Former XP prefetch) - boost in performance depends on type of HD read/writes - sequential read/wrtites are directed to the HD - non-sequential to ReadyBoost. In addition - performance depends on HD "speed" making it more ideal for laptops (or desktops with HD experience index below 4) - data sent to ReadyBoost is encrypted. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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I have 4Gb of RAM on this laptop, and when the 4Gb USB drive is working as
ReadyBoost, there is a noticable speed increase... Applications open 3 to 5 times faster when its active. Even booting Vista is faster. From what I have read from the other comments, the best thing todo is connect the USB drive to one of the USB ports on the laptop and not use one of the docking station. I will see how that goes. What would be neat is if someone could find a way to use DDR RAM as ReadyBoost as well. I have a desktop running 32bit Vista, but it has 8Gb RAM (which 3.5Gb is usable). If someone could find a way of using the memory above the 4Gb limit at ReadyBoost.... This machine never gets turned off (well, maybe once every six to eight weeks). The BIOS and motherboard sees the whole 8Gb. Its just a limit on the 32Bit OS. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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I use a USB flash drive for ReadyBoost on my desktop. However, on my laptop
I use a SD Flash Card instead since I have a flash card slot on the side of my laptop and I never have to worry about it getting in the way or having to be moved in order to use a docking station. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... I have 4Gb of RAM on this laptop, and when the 4Gb USB drive is working as ReadyBoost, there is a noticable speed increase... Applications open 3 to 5 times faster when its active. Even booting Vista is faster. From what I have read from the other comments, the best thing todo is connect the USB drive to one of the USB ports on the laptop and not use one of the docking station. I will see how that goes. What would be neat is if someone could find a way to use DDR RAM as ReadyBoost as well. I have a desktop running 32bit Vista, but it has 8Gb RAM (which 3.5Gb is usable). If someone could find a way of using the memory above the 4Gb limit at ReadyBoost.... This machine never gets turned off (well, maybe once every six to eight weeks). The BIOS and motherboard sees the whole 8Gb. Its just a limit on the 32Bit OS. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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Interesting suggestion ... Did you do anything special to get Vista to see
your SD Flash Card as a ReadyBoost device...? I have not read anything saying you could do this... everthing talks about ReadyBoost using USB drives. The Dell Latitude D830 has a PC-Card slot, an ExpressCard slot, as well as a SmartMedia slot... One of these should be able to take a ReadyBoost device. "JW" wrote in message ... I use a USB flash drive for ReadyBoost on my desktop. However, on my laptop I use a SD Flash Card instead since I have a flash card slot on the side of my laptop and I never have to worry about it getting in the way or having to be moved in order to use a docking station. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... I have 4Gb of RAM on this laptop, and when the 4Gb USB drive is working as ReadyBoost, there is a noticable speed increase... Applications open 3 to 5 times faster when its active. Even booting Vista is faster. From what I have read from the other comments, the best thing todo is connect the USB drive to one of the USB ports on the laptop and not use one of the docking station. I will see how that goes. What would be neat is if someone could find a way to use DDR RAM as ReadyBoost as well. I have a desktop running 32bit Vista, but it has 8Gb RAM (which 3.5Gb is usable). If someone could find a way of using the memory above the 4Gb limit at ReadyBoost.... This machine never gets turned off (well, maybe once every six to eight weeks). The BIOS and motherboard sees the whole 8Gb. Its just a limit on the 32Bit OS. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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I didn't have to do anything. If you go the store just make sure you get a
flash card that says it is ReadyBoost capable since many of them are too slow. I have a SD Ultra II in my laptop and it is fast enough even though the package at the time I got it did not say Ready Boost on it. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Interesting suggestion ... Did you do anything special to get Vista to see your SD Flash Card as a ReadyBoost device...? I have not read anything saying you could do this... everthing talks about ReadyBoost using USB drives. The Dell Latitude D830 has a PC-Card slot, an ExpressCard slot, as well as a SmartMedia slot... One of these should be able to take a ReadyBoost device. "JW" wrote in message ... I use a USB flash drive for ReadyBoost on my desktop. However, on my laptop I use a SD Flash Card instead since I have a flash card slot on the side of my laptop and I never have to worry about it getting in the way or having to be moved in order to use a docking station. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... I have 4Gb of RAM on this laptop, and when the 4Gb USB drive is working as ReadyBoost, there is a noticable speed increase... Applications open 3 to 5 times faster when its active. Even booting Vista is faster. From what I have read from the other comments, the best thing todo is connect the USB drive to one of the USB ports on the laptop and not use one of the docking station. I will see how that goes. What would be neat is if someone could find a way to use DDR RAM as ReadyBoost as well. I have a desktop running 32bit Vista, but it has 8Gb RAM (which 3.5Gb is usable). If someone could find a way of using the memory above the 4Gb limit at ReadyBoost.... This machine never gets turned off (well, maybe once every six to eight weeks). The BIOS and motherboard sees the whole 8Gb. Its just a limit on the 32Bit OS. "Mark" wrote in message ... I don't think ReadyBoost is designed to engage/disengage with a live system. It is either in charge, or it is not regarding the storage of these files that "boost" performance. When you disengage, Vista starts using the hard drive and memory to perform these functions. When you re-engage, Vista has no need of the USB drive because all the files are currently onboard and engaging may be a loss in performance. For this to work in your situation, the USB drive needs to move with the undocked computer. That said, ReadyBoost provides little to no "boost" unless your computer is running with 1GB or less in memory. "Some Vista User" wrote in message ... Good day, I have a Dell Latitude D830 with 4Gb RAM. I also have a 4Gb USB drive that is ReadyBoost capatible. Most of the week, the laptop is 'docked' into a Dell docking station, and the USB drive is attached to a USB port on the back of this docking station. Once in a while, the laptop is removed from the docking station, maybe for an hour or two, and then inserted again. When this happens, Vista sometime does not seem to see the USB drive and the ReadyBoost file... I have right mouse click the drive, select ReadyBoost and tell it use this device for ReadyBoost..... Other then clicking "Undock", is there anything I need to do to prepare Vista to undock from the docking station, and to see the USB drive after docking? |
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