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cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine



 
 
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Old March 14th 08, 03:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Dave
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you
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Old March 14th 08, 08:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)[_528_]
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

Sounds like name resolution issue. Can you ping the windows 2000 by IP? Or
check this search result.

Vista Name Resolution IssuesVista Name Resolution Issues. Can't ping/map
home PC using hostname after joining domain · Vista can access XP using IP
but not name ...
www.chicagotech.net/vista/vistanameissues.htm


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave" wrote in message
news
I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders,
etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000
computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in
order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you


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Old March 15th 08, 01:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
JohnDavid
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What you've encrountered is an artifact of how W2K shares hard drives; they
are automatically shared as C$ (for example). Because of that automatic
sharing, if the drive appeared under network, anyone on your network would
have access. So security is invoked by preventing display of the drive in
'network' and requiring just what you did, mapping the drive. You'll note
that you CAN see other drive types (CD, etc) in 'network', just not the hard
drives.

Had to learn the above when I was networking my W2K with 2 Vista machines.
Following is a bit of W2K Help on Shares to support what I've said:
"Securing shared drives:
In Windows 2000, all drives on your computer, such as drive C or D, are
automatically shared using the name drive letter$, such as C$ or D$. These
drives are not shown with the hand icon that indicates sharing in My Computer
or Windows Explorer, and they are also hidden when users connect to your
computer remotely.

However, any user can gain access to your computer over a network or the
Internet if the user knows your computer name, and the user name and password
of a user who is a member of the Administrators...group."

"Dave" wrote:

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you

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Old March 17th 08, 12:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Dave
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"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" wrote:

Sounds like name resolution issue. Can you ping the windows 2000 by IP? Or
check this search result.

Vista Name Resolution IssuesVista Name Resolution Issues. Can't ping/map
home PC using hostname after joining domain · Vista can access XP using IP
but not name ...
www.chicagotech.net/vista/vistanameissues.htm


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave" wrote in message
news
I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders,
etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000
computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in
order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you


I can ping windows 2000 machine and actually have it as a mapped drive under My Computer, I just cannot see it under "workgroup" in Vista. The Name Resolution Issues Vista Name Resolution Issures you mention has plenty of information out there, but only pertains to XP machines, not 2000.

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Old March 17th 08, 12:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Dave
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"JohnDavid" wrote:

What you've encrountered is an artifact of how W2K shares hard drives; they
are automatically shared as C$ (for example). Because of that automatic
sharing, if the drive appeared under network, anyone on your network would
have access. So security is invoked by preventing display of the drive in
'network' and requiring just what you did, mapping the drive. You'll note
that you CAN see other drive types (CD, etc) in 'network', just not the hard
drives.

Had to learn the above when I was networking my W2K with 2 Vista machines.
Following is a bit of W2K Help on Shares to support what I've said:
"Securing shared drives:
In Windows 2000, all drives on your computer, such as drive C or D, are
automatically shared using the name drive letter$, such as C$ or D$. These
drives are not shown with the hand icon that indicates sharing in My Computer
or Windows Explorer, and they are also hidden when users connect to your
computer remotely.

However, any user can gain access to your computer over a network or the
Internet if the user knows your computer name, and the user name and password
of a user who is a member of the Administrators...group."

"Dave" wrote:

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you



I can map the shared drive on the 2000 computer and see it successfully
under My Computer but wanted to see it under "workgroup" network on Vista
machine which are not able to. The drive is shared as "D" and not "D$" but
still cannot see.
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Old March 17th 08, 08:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)[_541_]
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

You may want to install LLTD. This post may help.

Troubleshoot computers not ...Vista uses the LLTD protocol to map computers
and devices on a network. ... The computer is running Windows XP and the
LLTD protocol is not installed. ...
http://www.chicagotech.net/netforums...opic.php?t=366


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave" wrote in message
...


"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" wrote:

Sounds like name resolution issue. Can you ping the windows 2000 by IP?
Or
check this search result.

Vista Name Resolution IssuesVista Name Resolution Issues. Can't ping/map
home PC using hostname after joining domain · Vista can access XP using
IP
but not name ...
www.chicagotech.net/vista/vistanameissues.htm


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave" wrote in message
news
I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders,
etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000
computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on
Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in
order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you


I can ping windows 2000 machine and actually have it as a mapped drive
under My Computer, I just cannot see it under "workgroup" in Vista. The
Name Resolution Issues Vista Name Resolution Issures you mention has
plenty of information out there, but only pertains to XP machines, not
2000.


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Old March 18th 08, 02:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
JohnDavid
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

That is correct, or I should say, how it is intended. You will not be able
to see the C or D drives (if they are internal harddrives or partitions) on a
W2K machine across a network show up under workgroup. As far as I've been
able to determine, the only recourse is to map the drive, just as you have
done..

"Dave" wrote:



"JohnDavid" wrote:

What you've encrountered is an artifact of how W2K shares hard drives; they
are automatically shared as C$ (for example). Because of that automatic
sharing, if the drive appeared under network, anyone on your network would
have access. So security is invoked by preventing display of the drive in
'network' and requiring just what you did, mapping the drive. You'll note
that you CAN see other drive types (CD, etc) in 'network', just not the hard
drives.

Had to learn the above when I was networking my W2K with 2 Vista machines.
Following is a bit of W2K Help on Shares to support what I've said:
"Securing shared drives:
In Windows 2000, all drives on your computer, such as drive C or D, are
automatically shared using the name drive letter$, such as C$ or D$. These
drives are not shown with the hand icon that indicates sharing in My Computer
or Windows Explorer, and they are also hidden when users connect to your
computer remotely.

However, any user can gain access to your computer over a network or the
Internet if the user knows your computer name, and the user name and password
of a user who is a member of the Administrators...group."

"Dave" wrote:

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you



I can map the shared drive on the 2000 computer and see it successfully
under My Computer but wanted to see it under "workgroup" network on Vista
machine which are not able to. The drive is shared as "D" and not "D$" but
still cannot see.

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Old March 19th 08, 01:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Viv
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

I'd really appreciate some 'baby talk' help.
I've set up my wireless N network and can access the internet through it
from my Windows 2000 notebook (has a G card) and my Vista Home Premium
notebook (has an N card). I can also access my networked printer from both
notebooks.
I want to share files between the two notebooks so have set them both up in
the same workgroup. But neither notebook can see the other. This is driving
me mad. I've searched Windows Help and, as far as I can tell, I've done
everything right, and I've searched the internet for help to no avail. I've
even spoken to Dell tech support who, amazingly, knew less that I did.
Can anyone please give me a step by step procedure to set up the workgroup
and to share the files? Please don't tell me to ping, because I have no idea
how to do that.
Thanks with hands clasped in prayer that this nightmare will end.


"JohnDavid" wrote:

That is correct, or I should say, how it is intended. You will not be able
to see the C or D drives (if they are internal harddrives or partitions) on a
W2K machine across a network show up under workgroup. As far as I've been
able to determine, the only recourse is to map the drive, just as you have
done..

"Dave" wrote:



"JohnDavid" wrote:

What you've encrountered is an artifact of how W2K shares hard drives; they
are automatically shared as C$ (for example). Because of that automatic
sharing, if the drive appeared under network, anyone on your network would
have access. So security is invoked by preventing display of the drive in
'network' and requiring just what you did, mapping the drive. You'll note
that you CAN see other drive types (CD, etc) in 'network', just not the hard
drives.

Had to learn the above when I was networking my W2K with 2 Vista machines.
Following is a bit of W2K Help on Shares to support what I've said:
"Securing shared drives:
In Windows 2000, all drives on your computer, such as drive C or D, are
automatically shared using the name drive letter$, such as C$ or D$. These
drives are not shown with the hand icon that indicates sharing in My Computer
or Windows Explorer, and they are also hidden when users connect to your
computer remotely.

However, any user can gain access to your computer over a network or the
Internet if the user knows your computer name, and the user name and password
of a user who is a member of the Administrators...group."

"Dave" wrote:

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you



I can map the shared drive on the 2000 computer and see it successfully
under My Computer but wanted to see it under "workgroup" network on Vista
machine which are not able to. The drive is shared as "D" and not "D$" but
still cannot see.

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Old March 19th 08, 02:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
JohnDavid
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

Viv,
Here is the place to start. This is a wonderful site, admininstered by one
of the frequent contributors to these Vista forums. There are many tutorials
(step-by-step with screenshots) that will guide you through most anything
you'll want to do with Vista. Follow the tutorial steps first, then if you
run into trouble, post back in a new thread (older threads don't get much
attentiion). Happy self-educating.
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/12...ng-enable.html

"Viv" wrote:

I'd really appreciate some 'baby talk' help.
I've set up my wireless N network and can access the internet through it
from my Windows 2000 notebook (has a G card) and my Vista Home Premium
notebook (has an N card). I can also access my networked printer from both
notebooks.
I want to share files between the two notebooks so have set them both up in
the same workgroup. But neither notebook can see the other. This is driving
me mad. I've searched Windows Help and, as far as I can tell, I've done
everything right, and I've searched the internet for help to no avail. I've
even spoken to Dell tech support who, amazingly, knew less that I did.
Can anyone please give me a step by step procedure to set up the workgroup
and to share the files? Please don't tell me to ping, because I have no idea
how to do that.
Thanks with hands clasped in prayer that this nightmare will end.


"JohnDavid" wrote:

That is correct, or I should say, how it is intended. You will not be able
to see the C or D drives (if they are internal harddrives or partitions) on a
W2K machine across a network show up under workgroup. As far as I've been
able to determine, the only recourse is to map the drive, just as you have
done..

"Dave" wrote:



"JohnDavid" wrote:

What you've encrountered is an artifact of how W2K shares hard drives; they
are automatically shared as C$ (for example). Because of that automatic
sharing, if the drive appeared under network, anyone on your network would
have access. So security is invoked by preventing display of the drive in
'network' and requiring just what you did, mapping the drive. You'll note
that you CAN see other drive types (CD, etc) in 'network', just not the hard
drives.

Had to learn the above when I was networking my W2K with 2 Vista machines.
Following is a bit of W2K Help on Shares to support what I've said:
"Securing shared drives:
In Windows 2000, all drives on your computer, such as drive C or D, are
automatically shared using the name drive letter$, such as C$ or D$. These
drives are not shown with the hand icon that indicates sharing in My Computer
or Windows Explorer, and they are also hidden when users connect to your
computer remotely.

However, any user can gain access to your computer over a network or the
Internet if the user knows your computer name, and the user name and password
of a user who is a member of the Administrators...group."

"Dave" wrote:

I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders, etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000 computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you


I can map the shared drive on the 2000 computer and see it successfully
under My Computer but wanted to see it under "workgroup" network on Vista
machine which are not able to. The drive is shared as "D" and not "D$" but
still cannot see.

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Old March 19th 08, 12:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
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Default cannot see windows 2000 workstation from vista machine

I am not sure what happened but they appear now under network. Thanks for
everyone's help.

"Dave" wrote:



"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" wrote:

Sounds like name resolution issue. Can you ping the windows 2000 by IP? Or
check this search result.

Vista Name Resolution IssuesVista Name Resolution Issues. Can't ping/map
home PC using hostname after joining domain · Vista can access XP using IP
but not name ...
www.chicagotech.net/vista/vistanameissues.htm


--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Dave" wrote in message
news
I setup a two computer network with a windows 2000 computer and a vista
business computer. They have same workgroup name and I shared folders,
etc. I
can see Vista computer fine from 2000 computer but cannot see 2000
computer
under network on vista computer. I mapped drive of 2000 computer on Vista
computer so I can access it but would like to see it under network in
order
to do some other things. Is there any reason I cannot see windows 2000
computer in Vista under network?

Thank you


I can ping windows 2000 machine and actually have it as a mapped drive under My Computer, I just cannot see it under "workgroup" in Vista. The Name Resolution Issues Vista Name Resolution Issures you mention has plenty of information out there, but only pertains to XP machines, not 2000.

 




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