On Mar 17, 1:01*am, Darkvette
wrote:
It's only with some, not all. *Certain games, productivity software such as
Photoshop CS3, Acrobat, Unreal Tournament 3, Call of Duty 4, and a couple
others I can't think of right now. I'll keep an eye on what programs exactly
cause it.



"JW" wrote:
Do you have the problem with all software you install or only with some? If
only some then the problem is probably with that software and not with the
OS. *I have never had a similiar problem with any software I have installed.
"Darkvette" wrote in message
...
I see what everyone is saying, but perhaps I didn't explain the issue
correctly. *I understand that the PC will use more RAM when installing
software or gaming or certain other things, that it will find the best use
for it, and also that it will free it up when it's not using it.

When my PC is idle, it uses around 25-35%(1-1.2GB) of my RAM. *When
Gaming,
it'll use about 50-75%(2-3GB, depending on the game). *When installing
programs that don't max out my RAM, it'll take up about 45-50%(1.8-2GB).

The issue comes when I go to install certain software programs, the
software
will start installing as usual, with no more than 50% of RAM being used.
Then, part way into the install, the RAM usage will climb - 55%, 65%, 75%,
and keep going up until it reaches 100%.

Once it reaches 100%, the system performance will start to lag until the
RAM
frees up. *The problem with that is, it never goes back below 95% usage
until
I restart my PC - even after the install is done. *I can't game or even
use
simple programs like IE or Word because they'll lock up my PC with the RAM
usage at 100%.

I know that I have the 4GB for a reason, and I do want to see all of it
used, but clearly there is an issue with Windows and how it's caching the
RAM
- especially if it's not freeing it up for other programs once it's done
with
it.

Basically what's happening is that something is allocating all my free RAM
when I install certain software, and it's not freeing up the RAM for other
uses once the install is completed.

So, yes there is a "real" issue, and I apologize that I didn't explain it
correctly. *The issue is, whatever is allocating the RAM is not
deallocating
it for other uses within Windows or other programs - it's not deallocating
it
AT ALL, unless I defrag the RAM which forces a deallocation.

Being that it forces a deallocation that goes from 100% used RAM down to
about 30% used RAM, that says to me that it's a Memory Leak of some sort.

joined this board for this exact problem, i recently installed Lost
Planet and about a quarter way thru, the ram maxed and all of the
programs i was using in the back ground (firefox, messenger,my computer)
ALL ground to an almost lock up point. i walked away and let the game
finish the install thinking it would free up my ram to be able to im
again came back and still my memory nearly maxed (256k had free'd up)
and i let it set for another half hour still ram all filled up task
manager showed my highest process only using around 150 megs and
combined NO WERE near 4gigs. I ended up having to reboot to get my
machine to behave correctly again.

my specs are
q6600 2.4 oc'd 3.1
4gb corsair 8500
and sli'd 8800gts

way beyond anything vista should ever need.


--
bigboi

It's nice to see I'm not the only one having this issue. At first I thought
that I was crazy or something because no one else seems to know anything
about this issue - Microsoft included. I think there is a bug somewhere
within Vista - either Superfetch, or Windows Installer or something that is
causing this. There are probably more people out there that are having this
happen, but either taking it up as normal, or unsure of how to report it.

This is an issue that Microsoft should definitely look into.

"bigboi" wrote:


joined this board for this exact problem, i recently installed Lost
Planet and about a quarter way thru, the ram maxed and all of the
programs i was using in the back ground (firefox, messenger,my computer)
ALL ground to an almost lock up point. i walked away and let the game
finish the install thinking it would free up my ram to be able to im
again came back and still my memory nearly maxed (256k had free'd up)
and i let it set for another half hour still ram all filled up task
manager showed my highest process only using around 150 megs and
combined NO WERE near 4gigs. I ended up having to reboot to get my
machine to behave correctly again.

my specs are
q6600 2.4 oc'd 3.1
4gb corsair 8500
and sli'd 8800gts

way beyond anything vista should ever need.


--
bigboi

I understand that the memory manager is different within Vista. But that
still doesn't excuse the fact that 100% or all 4GB of RAM is being used
without an explanation as to what is using it all. The other curious thing
is that it's only happening when installing programs? If it was Vista's
Memory Manager, wouldn't it happen more frequently? Why only when installing
programs? I would like to think that Microsoft is smarter than this, and was
this something that they created to happen, it would happen more frequently.
I do know from looking at my task manager that it does cache all 4GB of RAM,
but that doesn't show up as all 4GB having been used. At this very moment
for instance (straight from task manager):

Physical Memory (MB)
Total: 4094
Cached: 3026
Free: 10

Physical Memory Usage: 29% - 1193MB

So, this is what I'm talking about. Vista does have all 4GB cached, but
it's not showing up as being 100% used. I would like to send someone at MS
some screenshots of when this happens. If someone from MS could post me with
an email address to send these screenshots to, I would love to send them.

The other thing is that Vista IS different, but not that much.

"f/fgeorge" wrote:
Vista manages memory differently than any other OS out there. MS
thinks that free memory is wasted memory, so it uses it all, then
releases it as other programs need it. It is also learning how to do
it best on each of our pc's. This takes time and you should NOT be
running other programs when installing programs anyway. I KNOW that is
how we have 'always done it', but Vista is different.

Almost forgot...

This may help you out too. I've taken to using a program called Memory
Zipper Pro to "Defrag" my RAM when this "Install Bug" happens. It really
does work, and also shows that there is a memory leak somewhere in Vista or
the Windows Installer that is causing this to happen. Try this program out,
it does help and makes it so you don't have to restart after every major
install.

"bigboi" wrote:


joined this board for this exact problem, i recently installed Lost
Planet and about a quarter way thru, the ram maxed and all of the
programs i was using in the back ground (firefox, messenger,my computer)
ALL ground to an almost lock up point. i walked away and let the game
finish the install thinking it would free up my ram to be able to im
again came back and still my memory nearly maxed (256k had free'd up)
and i let it set for another half hour still ram all filled up task
manager showed my highest process only using around 150 megs and
combined NO WERE near 4gigs. I ended up having to reboot to get my
machine to behave correctly again.

my specs are
q6600 2.4 oc'd 3.1
4gb corsair 8500
and sli'd 8800gts

way beyond anything vista should ever need.


--
bigboi

This problem is most likely to bother U if U installing the opperating
system (Vista and XP) with more than 2 gig of ram.

The best way to go around this problem is to Install Vista with only 2
gig of ram. Instal the drivers, uppdate and so on, then U can install
the rest of U ram. This fixed alot with my computer and it was a pc
expert who told my to do it this way.

I dont like to say that U have to make a clean insatall with only 2 gig
of ram, but In my case it was the only thing that helpt my with a lot of
problems.

Sorry for my bad English.


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1morebogen

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