Vista will always make use of a paging file. The more memory you have on
your system the more OS files will be kept in memory and these will be put
out in your paging file when not used for extended amounts of time.
Regretfully I can't find the link where I read about this. In any case let
Windows manage your paging file size.

"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Side question, same topic:

If I have 8 GB RAM, I no longer expect the pagefile to be accessed
(except the rare occassion.) What is the recommended size for this file
that
will not be used?

The old thumbrule was one for one, or so (when systems were small,) but
if it is not being used, why would I let it default to 8GB in size?
As you stated, the idea is to keep head movement to a minimum. The size
alone is begining to defeat it's own purpose.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:43 -0500, PaxeSalute
wrote:


: Two points he
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/quote Wrote:



Is this your message below? It's very had to understand it as such
because it appears that for some reason you put a sign in front of
every line. That makes it look like quoted material instead of
something you typed.


Thks Ken for the explanation, with your explanation I got clearly
that
my 8GB RAM won't limit the use of the 1024mb of Video Ram. (I had the
doubt because I read for example that with XP x32 even if you had 4GB
RAM install the OS will show only 3.5GB since it was subtracting
other
type of RAM present on the system.
So I though my Vista x64 could do the same, but I saw that the Home
Premium Version of Vista can manage till 16GB of RAM so I suppose my
actual System is not limited with 8GB RAM)

Thks again.

Also I 'd like to take advantage of your expertise, I read that with
enough RAM I should be able to put NO PAGING FILE active for my Vista
x64, do you think 8GB will be enough to do so and not getting Crash?



What you read is very much wrong. You should *never* disable the Page
File, no matter how much RAM you have. Windows preallocates memory to
the Page File in anticipation of possibly needing to use it. If you
disable the Page File, those allocations necessarily get made to real
memory instead, and the result is that you can never use that part of
your RAM.

Moreover, there is no possible benefit to disabling it. If it's not
needed, it won't be used. Disabling it can only hurt you, and never
help.


If
not I have still the option to move my Paging File to my Second HDD
with
its' own partition.


If you have a second *physical* drive (not just a second partition),
moving it there is normally a good idea. Your objective should be to
minimize head movement to and from the page file, and the way to
accomplish that is to put it on the most-used partition of your
least-used physical drive. However if you move it away from C:, also
keep a small (200MB) page file on C:.

For more information on this, read this excellent article by the late
MVP, Alex Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Also note that with as much as 8GB of RAM, you will very likely never
(or hardly ever) use the page file at all, so any changes you make to
its settings will have no effect on your performance one way or
another. Still, I wouldn't disable it.

--
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"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Side question, same topic:

If I have 8 GB RAM, I no longer expect the pagefile to be accessed
(except the rare occassion.) What is the recommended size for this file
that
will not be used?


It doesn't matter. If it won't get used, its size is irrelevant. I'd just
accept the Windows default.


The old thumbrule was one for one, or so (when systems were small,) but
if it is not being used, why would I let it default to 8GB in size?


Beware rules of thumb when it comes to the page file. They are almost
invariably very poor rules. Read the Alex Nichols article I referenced
below.


As you stated, the idea is to keep head movement to a minimum. The size
alone is begining to defeat it's own purpose.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:43 -0500, PaxeSalute
wrote:


: Two points he
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/quote Wrote:



Is this your message below? It's very had to understand it as such
because it appears that for some reason you put a sign in front of
every line. That makes it look like quoted material instead of
something you typed.


Thks Ken for the explanation, with your explanation I got clearly
that
my 8GB RAM won't limit the use of the 1024mb of Video Ram. (I had the
doubt because I read for example that with XP x32 even if you had 4GB
RAM install the OS will show only 3.5GB since it was subtracting
other
type of RAM present on the system.
So I though my Vista x64 could do the same, but I saw that the Home
Premium Version of Vista can manage till 16GB of RAM so I suppose my
actual System is not limited with 8GB RAM)

Thks again.

Also I 'd like to take advantage of your expertise, I read that with
enough RAM I should be able to put NO PAGING FILE active for my Vista
x64, do you think 8GB will be enough to do so and not getting Crash?



What you read is very much wrong. You should *never* disable the Page
File, no matter how much RAM you have. Windows preallocates memory to
the Page File in anticipation of possibly needing to use it. If you
disable the Page File, those allocations necessarily get made to real
memory instead, and the result is that you can never use that part of
your RAM.

Moreover, there is no possible benefit to disabling it. If it's not
needed, it won't be used. Disabling it can only hurt you, and never
help.


If
not I have still the option to move my Paging File to my Second HDD
with
its' own partition.


If you have a second *physical* drive (not just a second partition),
moving it there is normally a good idea. Your objective should be to
minimize head movement to and from the page file, and the way to
accomplish that is to put it on the most-used partition of your
least-used physical drive. However if you move it away from C:, also
keep a small (200MB) page file on C:.

For more information on this, read this excellent article by the late
MVP, Alex Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Also note that with as much as 8GB of RAM, you will very likely never
(or hardly ever) use the page file at all, so any changes you make to
its settings will have no effect on your performance one way or
another. Still, I wouldn't disable it.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Mark,

If you run Vista, I read that you should leave as minimum 200mb to
allow your system to do Minidump error report in case one day you have
problem it could be usefull.
However if you do not experience problem with your application right
know, why searching to tweak Paging File. I did it under XP Pro Sp2 x84
because it meant a great gain in fastness because it cannot take
advantage of my 8GB except if I enable PAE in BOOT File, but so far I do
not really use this second OS on my PC Game, only installed it if VISTA
gives me some compatibility issues with some older games.

Good Day


--
PaxeSalute

Thanks for the feedback and the link.
I was mostly curious, not really looking to change anything. Just seems a
waste to have 8 GB of hard drive space eaten by a file that doesn't do
anything.

Well, I shouldn't say "anything." If by chance I run a program that wants to
assign a very large variable space (making a movie,) then those addresses
are assigned to the paging file (unless in use) even though the paging file
may never be accessed. But, since most programs are limited in how much
memory they can assign for code and variables, even this should not be an
issue unless you were running several of them at once.

Oh well... it works... leave it alone.

Thanks again.


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Side question, same topic:

If I have 8 GB RAM, I no longer expect the pagefile to be accessed
(except the rare occassion.) What is the recommended size for this file
that
will not be used?


It doesn't matter. If it won't get used, its size is irrelevant. I'd just
accept the Windows default.


The old thumbrule was one for one, or so (when systems were small,)
but
if it is not being used, why would I let it default to 8GB in size?


Beware rules of thumb when it comes to the page file. They are almost
invariably very poor rules. Read the Alex Nichols article I referenced
below.


As you stated, the idea is to keep head movement to a minimum. The
size
alone is begining to defeat it's own purpose.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:43 -0500, PaxeSalute
wrote:


: Two points he
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/quote Wrote:



Is this your message below? It's very had to understand it as such
because it appears that for some reason you put a sign in front of
every line. That makes it look like quoted material instead of
something you typed.


Thks Ken for the explanation, with your explanation I got clearly
that
my 8GB RAM won't limit the use of the 1024mb of Video Ram. (I had
the
doubt because I read for example that with XP x32 even if you had
4GB
RAM install the OS will show only 3.5GB since it was subtracting
other
type of RAM present on the system.
So I though my Vista x64 could do the same, but I saw that the Home
Premium Version of Vista can manage till 16GB of RAM so I suppose
my
actual System is not limited with 8GB RAM)

Thks again.

Also I 'd like to take advantage of your expertise, I read that
with
enough RAM I should be able to put NO PAGING FILE active for my
Vista
x64, do you think 8GB will be enough to do so and not getting
Crash?



What you read is very much wrong. You should *never* disable the Page
File, no matter how much RAM you have. Windows preallocates memory to
the Page File in anticipation of possibly needing to use it. If you
disable the Page File, those allocations necessarily get made to real
memory instead, and the result is that you can never use that part of
your RAM.

Moreover, there is no possible benefit to disabling it. If it's not
needed, it won't be used. Disabling it can only hurt you, and never
help.


If
not I have still the option to move my Paging File to my Second HDD
with
its' own partition.


If you have a second *physical* drive (not just a second partition),
moving it there is normally a good idea. Your objective should be to
minimize head movement to and from the page file, and the way to
accomplish that is to put it on the most-used partition of your
least-used physical drive. However if you move it away from C:, also
keep a small (200MB) page file on C:.

For more information on this, read this excellent article by the late
MVP, Alex Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Also note that with as much as 8GB of RAM, you will very likely never
(or hardly ever) use the page file at all, so any changes you make to
its settings will have no effect on your performance one way or
another. Still, I wouldn't disable it.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

"Mark H" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the feedback and the link.


You're welcome. Glad to help.


I was mostly curious, not really looking to change anything. Just seems a
waste to have 8 GB of hard drive space eaten by a file that doesn't do
anything.

Then make the Starting value small (200MB or so) but keep the max large, so
it can expand to whatever it needs, if it wants to. There's no penalty for
doing that.

That *may* save you a little disk space, but bear in mind that if there's a
possibility that it will expand to 8GB, you need to keep that 8GB free,
whether it's already allocated to the page file or not. So the saving in
disk space is mostly illusory.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Desktop Experience
Please reply to the newsgroup



Well, I shouldn't say "anything." If by chance I run a program that wants
to
assign a very large variable space (making a movie,) then those addresses
are assigned to the paging file (unless in use) even though the paging
file
may never be accessed. But, since most programs are limited in how much
memory they can assign for code and variables, even this should not be an
issue unless you were running several of them at once.

Oh well... it works... leave it alone.

Thanks again.


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Side question, same topic:

If I have 8 GB RAM, I no longer expect the pagefile to be accessed
(except the rare occassion.) What is the recommended size for this file
that
will not be used?


It doesn't matter. If it won't get used, its size is irrelevant. I'd just
accept the Windows default.


The old thumbrule was one for one, or so (when systems were small,)
but
if it is not being used, why would I let it default to 8GB in size?


Beware rules of thumb when it comes to the page file. They are almost
invariably very poor rules. Read the Alex Nichols article I referenced
below.


As you stated, the idea is to keep head movement to a minimum. The
size
alone is begining to defeat it's own purpose.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:43 -0500, PaxeSalute
wrote:


: Two points he
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/quote Wrote:



Is this your message below? It's very had to understand it as such
because it appears that for some reason you put a sign in front of
every line. That makes it look like quoted material instead of
something you typed.


Thks Ken for the explanation, with your explanation I got clearly
that
my 8GB RAM won't limit the use of the 1024mb of Video Ram. (I had
the
doubt because I read for example that with XP x32 even if you had
4GB
RAM install the OS will show only 3.5GB since it was subtracting
other
type of RAM present on the system.
So I though my Vista x64 could do the same, but I saw that the
Home
Premium Version of Vista can manage till 16GB of RAM so I suppose
my
actual System is not limited with 8GB RAM)

Thks again.

Also I 'd like to take advantage of your expertise, I read that
with
enough RAM I should be able to put NO PAGING FILE active for my
Vista
x64, do you think 8GB will be enough to do so and not getting
Crash?



What you read is very much wrong. You should *never* disable the Page
File, no matter how much RAM you have. Windows preallocates memory to
the Page File in anticipation of possibly needing to use it. If you
disable the Page File, those allocations necessarily get made to real
memory instead, and the result is that you can never use that part of
your RAM.

Moreover, there is no possible benefit to disabling it. If it's not
needed, it won't be used. Disabling it can only hurt you, and never
help.


If
not I have still the option to move my Paging File to my Second
HDD
with
its' own partition.


If you have a second *physical* drive (not just a second partition),
moving it there is normally a good idea. Your objective should be to
minimize head movement to and from the page file, and the way to
accomplish that is to put it on the most-used partition of your
least-used physical drive. However if you move it away from C:, also
keep a small (200MB) page file on C:.

For more information on this, read this excellent article by the late
MVP, Alex Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Also note that with as much as 8GB of RAM, you will very likely never
(or hardly ever) use the page file at all, so any changes you make to
its settings will have no effect on your performance one way or
another. Still, I wouldn't disable it.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Here is the Link to an excellent article on larger memory configurations I
was referring to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/15/vista_workshop/


"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the feedback and the link.
I was mostly curious, not really looking to change anything. Just seems a
waste to have 8 GB of hard drive space eaten by a file that doesn't do
anything.

Well, I shouldn't say "anything." If by chance I run a program that wants
to
assign a very large variable space (making a movie,) then those addresses
are assigned to the paging file (unless in use) even though the paging
file
may never be accessed. But, since most programs are limited in how much
memory they can assign for code and variables, even this should not be an
issue unless you were running several of them at once.

Oh well... it works... leave it alone.

Thanks again.


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
"Mark H" wrote in message
...
Side question, same topic:

If I have 8 GB RAM, I no longer expect the pagefile to be accessed
(except the rare occassion.) What is the recommended size for this file
that
will not be used?


It doesn't matter. If it won't get used, its size is irrelevant. I'd just
accept the Windows default.


The old thumbrule was one for one, or so (when systems were small,)
but
if it is not being used, why would I let it default to 8GB in size?


Beware rules of thumb when it comes to the page file. They are almost
invariably very poor rules. Read the Alex Nichols article I referenced
below.


As you stated, the idea is to keep head movement to a minimum. The
size
alone is begining to defeat it's own purpose.

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:17:43 -0500, PaxeSalute
wrote:


: Two points he
--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/quote Wrote:



Is this your message below? It's very had to understand it as such
because it appears that for some reason you put a sign in front of
every line. That makes it look like quoted material instead of
something you typed.


Thks Ken for the explanation, with your explanation I got clearly
that
my 8GB RAM won't limit the use of the 1024mb of Video Ram. (I had
the
doubt because I read for example that with XP x32 even if you had
4GB
RAM install the OS will show only 3.5GB since it was subtracting
other
type of RAM present on the system.
So I though my Vista x64 could do the same, but I saw that the
Home
Premium Version of Vista can manage till 16GB of RAM so I suppose
my
actual System is not limited with 8GB RAM)

Thks again.

Also I 'd like to take advantage of your expertise, I read that
with
enough RAM I should be able to put NO PAGING FILE active for my
Vista
x64, do you think 8GB will be enough to do so and not getting
Crash?



What you read is very much wrong. You should *never* disable the Page
File, no matter how much RAM you have. Windows preallocates memory to
the Page File in anticipation of possibly needing to use it. If you
disable the Page File, those allocations necessarily get made to real
memory instead, and the result is that you can never use that part of
your RAM.

Moreover, there is no possible benefit to disabling it. If it's not
needed, it won't be used. Disabling it can only hurt you, and never
help.


If
not I have still the option to move my Paging File to my Second
HDD
with
its' own partition.


If you have a second *physical* drive (not just a second partition),
moving it there is normally a good idea. Your objective should be to
minimize head movement to and from the page file, and the way to
accomplish that is to put it on the most-used partition of your
least-used physical drive. However if you move it away from C:, also
keep a small (200MB) page file on C:.

For more information on this, read this excellent article by the late
MVP, Alex Nichol: "Virtual Memory in Windows XP" at
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

Also note that with as much as 8GB of RAM, you will very likely never
(or hardly ever) use the page file at all, so any changes you make to
its settings will have no effect on your performance one way or
another. Still, I wouldn't disable it.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Actually, windows likes to use a paging file way before it uses all of
the ram. I remember there is a way so windows doesnt use a paging file
until it has to. Cant remember how, try looking it up. Remember you
should have a small paging file on the boot partition even if youll
never use it because it it needed for windows stuff, even if its not
used.


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Actually, windows likes to use a paging file way before it uses all of
the ram.


Not true. It may preallocate space in the page file in case it needs
it, but it doesn't use it unless it needs to.



I remember there is a way so windows doesnt use a paging file
until it has to. Cant remember how, try looking it up. Remember you
should have a small paging file on the boot partition even if youll
never use it because it it needed for windows stuff, even if its not
used.


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