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329 MB installed in three hours!!
I am trying to install an electronic edition of Britannica. Previously, it
took about 10 minutes, using 2 CDs on XP Pro I did a major upgrade for but did not replace my DVD, CD, Power Supply, or Floppy. My board is an Intel DG33FB My chip is an Intel Core 2 Dual (e4500) I have 2 GB DDR 667 and one mal-partitioned SATA drive. The Vista portion has 167 GB Today, it took aver three hours to copy merely 329 MB of data onto the other partition using my HP 940i DVD writer. the program was not even half done, BTW I got several gray-out screens in the process. I could not do any other work because the darn machine hung. I contacted HP and they blamed Microsoft, of course. They have no firmware updated for the writer. Any suggestions? |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
Sorry if I was not clear
I re-used the old cable, a 40 pin IDE, I believe. It worked well on XP with the other Asus mobo. Yes, I installed the chipset software after I finally got Vista to work, I had a nightmare with it--15 hours with the guys in India trying to help. This was a clean install of vista, on a clean hard drive "solidliquidgas" wrote: Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
You need to use an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable with Vista. The 80-wire cables
reduce the crosstalk between the 40 active wires. The 40-wire cables were only effective in the days of much slower systems. Such an older cable would indeed give the effect you are describing. "John T" wrote in message ... Sorry if I was not clear I re-used the old cable, a 40 pin IDE, I believe. It worked well on XP with the other Asus mobo. Yes, I installed the chipset software after I finally got Vista to work, I had a nightmare with it--15 hours with the guys in India trying to help. This was a clean install of vista, on a clean hard drive "solidliquidgas" wrote: Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
What version of Britannica are you trying to install?
I believe that Britannica 2008 is the first version that supports Vista. I have no idea what the problem might be with the older versions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the installer was broken. (I vaguely recall that the installer didn't run all that smoothly under XP for B. 2007.) One option would be to get the newer version. Britannica is having their spring sale: http://store.britannica.com/jump.jsp...=1%2C3%2 C151 The Ultimate DVD 2008 version is approx. $25, + $5 S&H. Use the promotion code SPRSE36. (I doubt that it would be personal to me.) I have it installed on Vista Home Premium X64. It appears to mostly work, although the multimedia stuff (QuickTime) doesn't launch quite as it should. HTH. Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. "John T" wrote in message news I am trying to install an electronic edition of Britannica. Previously, it took about 10 minutes, using 2 CDs on XP Pro I did a major upgrade for but did not replace my DVD, CD, Power Supply, or Floppy. My board is an Intel DG33FB My chip is an Intel Core 2 Dual (e4500) I have 2 GB DDR 667 and one mal-partitioned SATA drive. The Vista portion has 167 GB Today, it took aver three hours to copy merely 329 MB of data onto the other partition using my HP 940i DVD writer. the program was not even half done, BTW I got several gray-out screens in the process. I could not do any other work because the darn machine hung. I contacted HP and they blamed Microsoft, of course. They have no firmware updated for the writer. Any suggestions? |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
I see that I neglected to mention that the sale runs through 15 May, 2008.
"Bob Knowlden" wrote in message ... What version of Britannica are you trying to install? I believe that Britannica 2008 is the first version that supports Vista. I have no idea what the problem might be with the older versions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the installer was broken. (I vaguely recall that the installer didn't run all that smoothly under XP for B. 2007.) One option would be to get the newer version. Britannica is having their spring sale: http://store.britannica.com/jump.jsp...=1%2C3%2 C151 The Ultimate DVD 2008 version is approx. $25, + $5 S&H. Use the promotion code SPRSE36. (I doubt that it would be personal to me.) I have it installed on Vista Home Premium X64. It appears to mostly work, although the multimedia stuff (QuickTime) doesn't launch quite as it should. HTH. Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. "John T" wrote in message news I am trying to install an electronic edition of Britannica. Previously, it took about 10 minutes, using 2 CDs on XP Pro I did a major upgrade for but did not replace my DVD, CD, Power Supply, or Floppy. My board is an Intel DG33FB My chip is an Intel Core 2 Dual (e4500) I have 2 GB DDR 667 and one mal-partitioned SATA drive. The Vista portion has 167 GB Today, it took aver three hours to copy merely 329 MB of data onto the other partition using my HP 940i DVD writer. the program was not even half done, BTW I got several gray-out screens in the process. I could not do any other work because the darn machine hung. I contacted HP and they blamed Microsoft, of course. They have no firmware updated for the writer. Any suggestions? |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
Hi John,
It sounds as though you have other problems with your machine. I agree with Colin in that if you do use PATA drives, you are better off using the 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cables as opposed to the 40-wire versions. It sounds as though your initial installation of Vista was far from smooth. Reboot your machine and check the settings in your BIOS (refer to the manual for details on accessing this routine). In particular, check the data transfer mode for your optical drive(s). It sounds as though this could be set to PIO mode, which is an extremely slow mode that can hog system resources. This should be set to its highest available setting, typically UDMA. I would advise that you reinstalled Vista (make sure that you have the correct storage adapter driver available) and that you have just 1 partition on your hard drive. You can still use multiple partitions on hard drives if you so wish, but modern filing systems are able to use larger disks more effectively so this isn't really necessary on modern systems. Older filing systems could, up to certain limitations, access large disks. However, the larger the disk, the larger the sector block size. Each sector is typically 512 bytes long, and multiple sectors make up a block. Each file occupies at least 1 block, whether that file be a few bytes in size or a few kilobytes or more. In order to reduce wasted space, older systems typically used partitioned hard drives. Dwarf "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: You need to use an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable with Vista. The 80-wire cables reduce the crosstalk between the 40 active wires. The 40-wire cables were only effective in the days of much slower systems. Such an older cable would indeed give the effect you are describing. "John T" wrote in message ... Sorry if I was not clear I re-used the old cable, a 40 pin IDE, I believe. It worked well on XP with the other Asus mobo. Yes, I installed the chipset software after I finally got Vista to work, I had a nightmare with it--15 hours with the guys in India trying to help. This was a clean install of vista, on a clean hard drive "solidliquidgas" wrote: Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
YOU GUYS NAILED IT!!
Thanks for the advise; I used the 40 wire cable. When i connected a 80 wire ribbon, the problem disappeared. Now I have to get a longer ribbon so that I can have both the CD ROM and the DVD writer working as they did on the other board. I do have the latest version to Britannica, the 2008 version. thanks for the offer, but because I already had another version of Britannica that would not work on Vista, they gave me a very good deal on a new copy "Dwarf" wrote: Hi John, It sounds as though you have other problems with your machine. I agree with Colin in that if you do use PATA drives, you are better off using the 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cables as opposed to the 40-wire versions. It sounds as though your initial installation of Vista was far from smooth. Reboot your machine and check the settings in your BIOS (refer to the manual for details on accessing this routine). In particular, check the data transfer mode for your optical drive(s). It sounds as though this could be set to PIO mode, which is an extremely slow mode that can hog system resources. This should be set to its highest available setting, typically UDMA. I would advise that you reinstalled Vista (make sure that you have the correct storage adapter driver available) and that you have just 1 partition on your hard drive. You can still use multiple partitions on hard drives if you so wish, but modern filing systems are able to use larger disks more effectively so this isn't really necessary on modern systems. Older filing systems could, up to certain limitations, access large disks. However, the larger the disk, the larger the sector block size. Each sector is typically 512 bytes long, and multiple sectors make up a block. Each file occupies at least 1 block, whether that file be a few bytes in size or a few kilobytes or more. In order to reduce wasted space, older systems typically used partitioned hard drives. Dwarf "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: You need to use an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable with Vista. The 80-wire cables reduce the crosstalk between the 40 active wires. The 40-wire cables were only effective in the days of much slower systems. Such an older cable would indeed give the effect you are describing. "John T" wrote in message ... Sorry if I was not clear I re-used the old cable, a 40 pin IDE, I believe. It worked well on XP with the other Asus mobo. Yes, I installed the chipset software after I finally got Vista to work, I had a nightmare with it--15 hours with the guys in India trying to help. This was a clean install of vista, on a clean hard drive "solidliquidgas" wrote: Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
Hi John,
Pleased to see that you have solved your problem. However, be aware that the maximum length (according to the official standard) for 80-conductor PATA cables is 18 inches (45 cm) from end to end. There are cables which exceed this length available, but they may or may not work as intended. My advice, therefore, is to stick with cables of the recommended specification. If you wish, you can also use rounded cables. These cables generally employ the 'twisted pair' technique, where a data line is paired up, and twisted together with, one of the grounding wires. Although these cables are the same length as the conventional flat ones, they are easier to install and can, in some cases, be used in systems where the conventional flat type doesn't appear to be long enough. Dwarf "John T" wrote: YOU GUYS NAILED IT!! Thanks for the advise; I used the 40 wire cable. When i connected a 80 wire ribbon, the problem disappeared. Now I have to get a longer ribbon so that I can have both the CD ROM and the DVD writer working as they did on the other board. I do have the latest version to Britannica, the 2008 version. thanks for the offer, but because I already had another version of Britannica that would not work on Vista, they gave me a very good deal on a new copy "Dwarf" wrote: Hi John, It sounds as though you have other problems with your machine. I agree with Colin in that if you do use PATA drives, you are better off using the 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cables as opposed to the 40-wire versions. It sounds as though your initial installation of Vista was far from smooth. Reboot your machine and check the settings in your BIOS (refer to the manual for details on accessing this routine). In particular, check the data transfer mode for your optical drive(s). It sounds as though this could be set to PIO mode, which is an extremely slow mode that can hog system resources. This should be set to its highest available setting, typically UDMA. I would advise that you reinstalled Vista (make sure that you have the correct storage adapter driver available) and that you have just 1 partition on your hard drive. You can still use multiple partitions on hard drives if you so wish, but modern filing systems are able to use larger disks more effectively so this isn't really necessary on modern systems. Older filing systems could, up to certain limitations, access large disks. However, the larger the disk, the larger the sector block size. Each sector is typically 512 bytes long, and multiple sectors make up a block. Each file occupies at least 1 block, whether that file be a few bytes in size or a few kilobytes or more. In order to reduce wasted space, older systems typically used partitioned hard drives. Dwarf "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: You need to use an 80-wire, 40-pin IDE cable with Vista. The 80-wire cables reduce the crosstalk between the 40 active wires. The 40-wire cables were only effective in the days of much slower systems. Such an older cable would indeed give the effect you are describing. "John T" wrote in message ... Sorry if I was not clear I re-used the old cable, a 40 pin IDE, I believe. It worked well on XP with the other Asus mobo. Yes, I installed the chipset software after I finally got Vista to work, I had a nightmare with it--15 hours with the guys in India trying to help. This was a clean install of vista, on a clean hard drive "solidliquidgas" wrote: Have you tried reading other discs in your CD/DVD drive? How about copying data from other sources to the destination partition? If you narrow the problem down to the CD/DVD drive and it's not a driver or firmware issue, there could be a problem with the drive itself or the data cable. Incidentally, when you say you did a major upgrade, do you mean a major hardware upgrade involving the CPU and MoBo? And/or did you upgrade your version of Windows?If the answer to either is "yes", did you install the chipset software for the new board or for the existing board in the new operating system? -- solidliquidgas I miss my Commodore 64. It was such a simpler time... |
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329 MB installed in three hours!!
They also allow better airflow and assist in cooling the system.
"Dwarf" wrote in message ... Hi John, Pleased to see that you have solved your problem. However, be aware that the maximum length (according to the official standard) for 80-conductor PATA cables is 18 inches (45 cm) from end to end. There are cables which exceed this length available, but they may or may not work as intended. My advice, therefore, is to stick with cables of the recommended specification. If you wish, you can also use rounded cables. These cables generally employ the 'twisted pair' technique, where a data line is paired up, and twisted together with, one of the grounding wires. Although these cables are the same length as the conventional flat ones, they are easier to install and can, in some cases, be used in systems where the conventional flat type doesn't appear to be long enough. Dwarf "John T" wrote: |
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