If you are charging for repairing computers make sure you have a good backup
before you run a regisrty cleaner. Sooner or later the practice will bite
you and a customer's pc will be hosed. If you don't have have a backup you
will be hosed as well :-)

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



Sam Steinhauser wrote:
Yes I am a very vocal proponent of the registry cleaner. I started
computing in 1988. A few years later I was the person in town to
bring your comoputer to for repair. I got my A+ certification last
year and opened my own shop. Every article I read about computer
maintenance says to use a registy cleaner. There are dozens of
registry cleaners on the market. It seems strange that many people
are that misled. Many of my customers have mentioned how much better
thier computers run after I clean out thier registry (Win 98, ME &
XP). Maybe there isn't one for Vista. That was my question. I use
registry cleaners. I am a firm believer in them. I really didn't want
or care about your opinion about them. I just wanted some input as to
whether any were released yet.

Have you actually measured a speed increase? The only increase would
be a very negligible decrease in the time it takes Windows to load.
This would be milliseconds not seconds. The way the registry works
in NT based versions of Windows is very different from Win95 based
versions. It's an old debate with very vocal proponents on both
sides but most people who have worked on computers for any length of
time generally don't recommend using registry cleaner programs. The
way the registry in Vista works with virtual registry locations I
would be doubly cautious about ever using a registry cleaner with
Vista.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Sam Steinhauser wrote:
Well I have used Registry First Aid and System Mechanic for years
and whatever they do to Windows XP, well it has been great. I have
had a real performance increase from both programs on several
different systems. I'm not going to use any program not designed
for Vista but I am anxiously awaiting for a Vista registry cleaner.

I think you're crazy to run a registry cleaner to start with and
running one designed for XP on Vista is even crazier.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Sam Steinhauser wrote:
Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet? I spoke with a
live rep from CleanMyPC for Registry Cleaner and they said it
worked but the product info page doesn't claim that. I prefer
Registry Mechanic but again it doesn't state support for Vista.

DES schrieb:

Totally uncalled for


U R warned;-)



"Cheddarhead" wrote:

After you "clean" the registry and hose a vista install, dont come back here
and whine about it and looking for help Mr computer repair man... reg
cleaners are crap.
"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Thank you for actually answering my question.
--
Sam


"Geo." wrote:

JV16 Power Tools 2006, version 1.5.2.344.
http://www.macecraft.com/news/118/

Geo.

"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet? I spoke with a live
rep
from CleanMyPC for Registry Cleaner and they said it worked but the
product
info page doesn't claim that. I prefer Registry Mechanic but again it
doesn't
state support for Vista.
--
Sam

I did run the jv16PT registry cleaner that Geo gave me the link to and my
machine is noticeable more responsive and boots faster. The jv16PT program
found 291 errors in my registry and deleted them. My machine is smoking. I
prefer Registry Mechanic, System Mechanic or Registry First Aid but they do
not support Vista yet.
If the system failed I would just boot it up in safe mode and restore it.
Not to scary for a "Computer Repairman" like myself
--
Sam


"Cheddarhead" wrote:

After you "clean" the registry and hose a vista install, dont come back here
and whine about it and looking for help Mr computer repair man... reg
cleaners are crap.
"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Thank you for actually answering my question.
--
Sam


"Geo." wrote:

JV16 Power Tools 2006, version 1.5.2.344.
http://www.macecraft.com/news/118/

Geo.

"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet? I spoke with a live
rep
from CleanMyPC for Registry Cleaner and they said it worked but the
product
info page doesn't claim that. I prefer Registry Mechanic but again it
doesn't
state support for Vista.
--
Sam

Sam - stick with it (registry cleaner that is). Kerry's statement "...but
most people who have worked on
computers for any length of time generally don't recommend using registry
cleaner programs..."
doesn't "hold water".
To those "opposed" - tell me - how do you remove traces of "uninstalled" or
"problem" applications from the registry? Manually using regedit? If so you
are the registry cleaner! Can you answer that you have NEVER used a registry
cleaner?


"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet? I spoke with a live rep
from CleanMyPC for Registry Cleaner and they said it worked but the
product
info page doesn't claim that. I prefer Registry Mechanic but again it
doesn't
state support for Vista.
--
Sam

Those entries cause no harm or slowdowns other than milliseconds when
Windows first loads. And yes there are times when I use a registry cleaner
program to see if there may be a problem with the registry. It is very rare
because it is usually very obvious if a registry entry is causing a problem
and there are usually other clues so you don't need to search. When I do use
a cleaner type program I backup the registry with erunt, then use the
registry cleaner in full manual mode checking each item carefully. If I
don't know exactly what it is and why it is flagged I don't touch it. Try
this with your favourite registry cleaner. Run it several times in a row and
see if it keeps finding more "errors". Most do. The errors on the subsequent
runs are caused by things it deleted on earlier runs. There are decent
registry cleaner programs. They are very specialised tools and are not
something that should be run as a part of a normal maintenance routine. I
have seen enough damage caused by registry cleaners that I have decided they
are usually not worth the possible benefits for me. If you haven't learned
that yet or have come to different conclusion then good for you. My advice
in that case is to download and use erunt before using your registry
cleaner. Sooner or later you will be very glad you did.

Much of the fashion for using registry cleaners stems from the days of
win9x. Back then you needed a registry cleaner to keep your computer
running. The way the registry is used with NT versions of Windows this is no
longer needed.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



AJR wrote:
Sam - stick with it (registry cleaner that is). Kerry's statement
"...but most people who have worked on
computers for any length of time generally don't recommend using
registry cleaner programs..."
doesn't "hold water".
To those "opposed" - tell me - how do you remove traces of
"uninstalled" or "problem" applications from the registry? Manually
using regedit? If so you are the registry cleaner! Can you answer
that you have NEVER used a registry cleaner?


"Sam Steinhauser" wrote in
message ...
Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet? I spoke with a
live rep from CleanMyPC for Registry Cleaner and they said it worked
but the product
info page doesn't claim that. I prefer Registry Mechanic but again it
doesn't
state support for Vista.
--
Sam

We ran disk wipe after installation to make sure no 'cudies' were on the
disk. Vista doesnt come with a way to get an ISP, even though an MSN folder
exists in Program Files; and if attempting to run, the account sign up fails.
So we tried Earth Link, Netzero and Juno and all failed. Eventually we caled
MSN and were read the EULA over the phone and managed to get online.
Well, uninstalling those programs did not take some of them completely off
as they tried to run at startup and defender kept catching them. So I
searched the registry and was shocked to see how much junk and hidden things
were put in the registry.
How do you suggest we users remove those? Do I trust myself to start
deleting rgistry keys manually? Do you think a registry cleaner is more
efficient?
I am going to use JV16 for nothing better.
Also, MS sent a survey asking if it is important for MS to start work on a
registry cleaner. So if MS is thinking about creating one, it must be
reasonable to use one, in my opinion.
Maybe MS should make a program to track installations and create appropriate
uninstalls, instead of letting outside vendors trash MS OS. Responsiblity,
another issue!!

"Sam Steinhauser" wrote:

Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet?

registry cleaners do more damages than advantages

"Geo." wrote:

JV16 Power Tools 2006, version 1.5.2.344.
http://www.macecraft.com/news/118/

don't use it because this program generates a lot of false registry problems

That is not my experience.

Geo.

"mik" wrote in message ...


"Geo." wrote:

JV16 Power Tools 2006, version 1.5.2.344.
http://www.macecraft.com/news/118/

don't use it because this program generates a lot of false registry problems

Go ahead and run registry cleaner and defrager software and you WILL
reformat. This is akin to Death and Taxes!

"mik" wrote:



"Sam Steinhauser" wrote:

Is there any registry cleaners out for Vista yet?

registry cleaners do more damages than advantages