As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Bruce Feezel

"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them)

May I ask why, in God's name, you need FIVE COMPUTERS if you are the ONLY
user?

Bruce,
There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit and
slave the rest off that one.
Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
privilidges and shares from there.
A much more logical thought process involved and all done in step-by-step
moves.
DecHex



"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
"Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
done.

Bruce Feezel

Bruce Feezel wrote:
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Bruce Feezel




I have no problem doing whatever I want (including create, delete, and rename)
from my XP PCs to files & folders on my Vista PCs, as long as I only deal with
the Vista's Public folders (and its subfolders).

I did have problems with folders outside of the Public folders, and I did not
find a work around -- even after setting permissions. So I settled for using
only the Public area on Vista.

And, if it matters to you, there are problems with accessing Vista files and
folders from W9x PCs. You can google this NG for some earlier discussions
on W9x-Vista sharing issues.
--
Cheers, Bob

fuctifino wrote:

Bruce,
There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit
and slave the rest off that one.
Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
privilidges and shares from there.
A much more logical thought process involved and all done in
step-by-step moves.
DecHex

5 is a problem? Maybe for a wimp! :-P

I have 8 PCs and 3 non-PC nodes in my SOHO workgroup, all with DHCP. Very
little problem, except when one of the kids downloads a batch of malware.
--
Cheers, Bob

Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer Manage Storage Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then Properties
Security Tab Edit Add
then type ‘Everyone’ (not the quotes) and below it select your preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex

"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
"Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
done.

Bruce Feezel

On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:18:00 -0700, Bruce Feezel
wrote:

As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP

This is not possible, since it would not be an "upgrade", it would be
a "downgrade". An "upgrade" would take one from an OLDER OS to a
NEWER OS.

Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista,

How could Microsoft possibly "make" everyone change to Vista? Would
they hire a HUGE Amount of inspectors, and send them in every
neighborhood in the ENTIRE WORLD to inspect the residents OS version?
which is the worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is.

Never heard of a "professional" who doesn't know the difference
between "upgrading his OS" and "downgrading it".

Heck, man, I'm no professional, yet I know the difference.

I read in the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP.

Whether they like it or not, Microsoft does have the right to decide
when to quit supporting their older OSes.

Of course, they will change IF enough users let them know they don't
like Vista. Evidently, this has not yet happened. IN fact, the
OPPOSITE is true. MOST users are HAPPY with Vista, while MOST
commentators are NOT. Most of the commentators are full of hot air,
anyway.

Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need.

Microsoft spent MILLIONS on finding out just what the majority of
users want, and added it to Vista. That a FEW don't like what they
did is NOT relevant to their bottom-line, or to what the Majority
likes.

Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it.

That's a big word -- "never". Those who use it almost always wind up
being sorry for their hasty words.

They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Who's axiom is this? It is certainly NOT an "axiom", since an "axiom"
is always true.

While it IS a good principle on which to design user software, it does
NOT apply in all situations, as an axiom would.


Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Now Microsoft is being blamed for EXPRESSLY keeping YOU from doing
your work. Hogwash!!!

"Don't bring me dowwwwnnnn, BRRRUCE!"
(remember E.L.O.?)

Bruce Feezel



Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
wrote:

Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer Manage Storage Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then Properties
Security Tab Edit Add
then type ‘Everyone’ (not the quotes) and below it select your preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex

Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.


"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
"Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
done.

Bruce Feezel




Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

BRUCE : All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
person who
operates them.


DONALD:Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.


The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.
I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
wants to control any permissions / security settings.

Let the hare see the fox first!

DecHex


"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
wrote:

Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer Manage Storage Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then Properties
Security Tab Edit Add
then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex

Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.


"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had
an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share,"
and
I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
"Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System.
Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read
in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
always
be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
done.

Bruce Feezel




Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:55:01 +0100, "fuctifino"
wrote:

BRUCE : All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
person who
operates them.


DONALD:Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.


The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.

Many such "fixes" fix nothing in the long run, friend.
It's better to fix the UNDERLYING cause.

Then he won't have to deal with it on a daily basis.

I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
wants to control any permissions / security settings.

Let the hare see the fox first!

Why wait till the last minute? Why not be PREPARED for the fox's entry
before he's even seen?

That way, it will be HARDER for the fox to get into the rabbit hutch,
and make off with the hare, when he DOES appear.

As it is, the "fix" quoted does NOTHING about "fixing" the problem. It
is more like putting a bandaid on a huge, sucking chest-wound, and
never adding the sutures necessary to CLOSE the wound, than "fixing"
the problem. The wound will just continue to pour out blood, until
there is none left.

Advice like that given is much like the advice Dell support (when you
do get it) is wont to give. It usually never fixes anything, and
almost always winds up costing the user more time, money, and his
peace-of-mind.

Find a SOLUTION, not a "fix". "Fixes" are a dime-a-dozen, and
everyone has one. But FEW have the SOLUTION and are willing to share
it, come what may.


DecHex


"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
wrote:

Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer Manage Storage Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then Properties
Security Tab Edit Add
then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex

Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.


"Bruce Feezel" wrote in message
...
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had
an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share,"
and
I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
"Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System.
Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read
in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
always
be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
done.

Bruce Feezel




Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================