Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress in
the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the sand
glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever. That
is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first goes
half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about 3/4 of
the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more slowly
still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw - but never
quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little
down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there and
report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't. It
keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end of the
Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and...
hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to
the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

Uzytkownik "Dima" napisal w wiadomosci
...
....
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.

The same for me... Total Commander is 20 times faster than explorer...
horrible
--
marfi

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress in
the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the sand
glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever. That
is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first goes
half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about 3/4 of
the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more slowly
still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw - but never
quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little
down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there
and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end of the
Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and...
hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got
to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.


It's worse than that. It also sometimes cannot find files that are clearly
there.

ss.

Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here it
is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64 search
so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs; that thread
has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one from Tony
Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post of
4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description of the
problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common courtesy (and
Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress in
the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the sand
glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever. That
is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first goes
half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about 3/4 of
the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more slowly
still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw - but never
quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little
down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there
and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end of the
Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and...
hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got
to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here
it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64
search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs;
that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one
from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post
of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description
of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common
courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then more
slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each redraw -
but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the
little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets
there and report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it
doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the
end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the
red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn and it
STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for the
same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
And many of them are at Microsoft. g

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does not
need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a Torrent
search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of data indexed
however it retunes a quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect the
search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or limit it
to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user to modify
to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you value
reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c. But
Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as halting
and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes, here
it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista x64
search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3 NGs;
that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me, one
from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my post
of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my description
of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from somewhere, common
courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you just
asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then
more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each
redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it gets
to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give up when
it gets there and report that it can't find what it's searching for.
But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator
at the end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace
across the red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being
redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

Why don't they reply then?
"Tom Ferguson" wrote in message
...
I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
And many of them are at Microsoft. g

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does
not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a
Torrent search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of
data indexed however it retunes a quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect
the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or
limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user
to modify to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you
value reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c. But
Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as halting
and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows a
resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows Vista
x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted to 3
NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is from me,
one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify
the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
just asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the progress
in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a replacement for the
sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar first
goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly to about
3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or so, then
more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end with each
redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch hopefully as it
gets to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking that it will give
up when it gets there and report that it can't find what it's searching
for. But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further, past the vertical
separator at the end of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow
pace across the red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still
being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

They probably haven't found an answer either.

If someone had an answer they would have shared the information.


Dima wrote:
Why don't they reply then?
"Tom Ferguson" wrote in message
...
I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in
principle. And many of them are at Microsoft. g

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so
does not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search
algorithms are performing exactly as designed. However, it also might
be true that they could be better implemented. For example, they could
be recoded into assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but
that's a topic for a different place and time. As one example of a
fast search-isoHunt, a Torrent search engine, is very rapid
considering the vast quantity of data indexed however it retunes a
quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them
affect the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices
search or limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually
allows the user to modify to search entire index or just user files).
How highly do you value reliability (same results on repeated searches
of the same data), accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is
a near match), &c. But Here I am probably not saying anything you
don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these
are matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as
halting and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody
knows a resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows
Vista x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was
cross-posted to 3 NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from
you. One is from me, one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin
Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you
identify the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
just asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the
progress in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a
replacement for the sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly
forever. That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer,
the bar first goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes
more slowly to about 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar
every second or so, then more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting
closer to the end with each redraw - but never quite reaching the
end. I watch hopefully as it gets to the little down-pointing
triangle, thinking that it will give up when it gets there and
report that it can't find what it's searching for. But it doesn't.
It keeps creeping further, past the vertical separator at the end
of the Address Bar, and then at a maddeningly slow pace across the
red "X" and... hours later, the green bar is still being redrawn
and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches
for the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

This is a peer-to-peer newsgroup and does not have monitors or moderators.
Unless another user has a suggestion or technical answer no one will reply.

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Why don't they reply then?
"Tom Ferguson" wrote in message
...
I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
And many of them are at Microsoft. g

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does
not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a
Torrent search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of
data indexed however it retunes a quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect
the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or
limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user
to modify to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you
value reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c.
But Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as
halting and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows
a resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows
Vista x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted
to 3 NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is
from me, one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify
the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
just asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the
progress in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a
replacement for the sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar
first goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly
to about 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or
so, then more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end
with each redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch
hopefully as it gets to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking
that it will give up when it gets there and report that it can't find
what it's searching for. But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further,
past the vertical separator at the end of the Address Bar, and then at
a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and... hours later, the
green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima

As Colin points out, this is a peer-to-peer help group. Sometimes MS softies
drop in but MS has no formal presence here.

As for your question, I have enough trouble accounting for myself without
dragging out "ye olde crystal ball" to divine anyone else's motivations. g
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
Why don't they reply then?
"Tom Ferguson" wrote in message
...
I am sure there are many who know how to "fix it", at least, in principle.
And many of them are at Microsoft. g

Without going into the details of search theory or methods of
implementation: It could well be that nothing is actually broken so does
not need fixing in the strict sense. Possibly, the search algorithms are
performing exactly as designed. However, it also might be true that they
could be better implemented. For example, they could be recoded into
assembly or direct machine code-seldom done now-but that's a topic for a
different place and time. As one example of a fast search-isoHunt, a
Torrent search engine, is very rapid considering the vast quantity of
data indexed however it retunes a quantity of false positives.

In designing any program, there are many trade-offs. All of them affect
the search speed. E.g. Do you do a full, all storage devices search or
limit it to a particular set of locations (Vista actually allows the user
to modify to search entire index or just user files). How highly do you
value reliability (same results on repeated searches of the same data),
accuracy/fuzziness (result matches target/result is a near match), &c.
But Here I am probably not saying anything you don't know.

In short, if it's not too late for that, we can be certain that these are
matters that are routinely reviewed as development goes forward as
halting and retrograde as that motion sometimes appears.
--

Tom
MSMVP 1998-2007


"Dima" wrote in message
...
No, I have not find any new information. It's strange that nobody knows
a resolution to the slow search in Vista!
"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Dima.

Is there an echo in here?

This sounds like the discussion we had here a week or two ago. Yes,
here it is: started by you on 4/28/08, Subject: Why does Windows
Vista x64 search so long? Like this current post, it was cross-posted
to 3 NGs; that thread has 9 posts, of which 5 were from you. One is
from me, one from Tony Sperling and 2 from Colin Barnhorst.

The bulk of your current post is a cut-n-pasted direct quote from my
post of 4/28/08 in that other thread. I don't mind your using my
description of the problem, but whenever you "borrow" text from
somewhere, common courtesy (and Netiquette) requires that you identify
the source.

Have you found new information about this problem, Dima? Or are you
just asking the same question again?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Dima" wrote in message
...
Hello!
Why does Windows Vista x64 search so long, especially when the
progress in the bar is at the end and the ring is rolling (a
replacement for the sand glass)?
When a search is not "nearly instantaneous" it takes nearly forever.
That is, when you ask for an Advanced Search of Computer, the bar
first goes half-way across fairly quickly. Then it goes more slowly
to about 3/4 of the way, appearing to redraw the bar every second or
so, then more slowly still to 7/8, etc., getting closer to the end
with each redraw - but never quite reaching the end. I watch
hopefully as it gets to the little down-pointing triangle, thinking
that it will give up when it gets there and report that it can't find
what it's searching for. But it doesn't. It keeps creeping further,
past the vertical separator at the end of the Address Bar, and then at
a maddeningly slow pace across the red "X" and... hours later, the
green bar is still being redrawn and it STILL hasn't got to the end.
Windows XP Pro on the same computer (but on another HDD) searches for
the same files (on all HDDs) five times faster.
Sincerely,
Dima