Hi,
After 'banging my head against the wall' for the last couple of weeks, I
was wondering whether you could help with the following, please.

I'm trying to network my new Optiplex 740 with Vista Business (32bit), and
Norton 360, to my old Euro PC with W2K Pro. and SystemWorks, using basic
Belkin /Realtek cards and yellow ethernet cable. My broadband connection is
through my old machine and works perfectly, as does the network card
installation.

My new machine also indicates that its card is correctly installed and
functioning correctly. BUT the Network and Sharing Center window shows
this computer as linked to an Unidentified network and no connection to
either the other computer or broadband connection.

Within my limited knowledge I've done all the usual stuff, including turning
off both firewalls and antivirus.

So here we are with each machine happily doing its own thing, but flatly
refusing to speak to one another! : )

It's got to be something 'right under my nose' and stupidly simple, but
I would be REALLY grateful for any help that you can offer.

Thanks,
Kinetix

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\philipipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : euro1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-17-3F-9B-A1-D8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12(Preferred)
Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address. . : 169.254.1.239(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 184561853
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . :
00-01-00-01-0F-2F-93-47-00-1D-09-2D-67-E3

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{F59F4D91-9C8A-40D5-8D3A-C2D9A0B64
D9D}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:169.254.1.239%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\philip

Here are the problem.

Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address. . : 169.254.1.239(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Try to setup a static IP address first. Please post back with the result.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Kinetix" wrote in message
...
Hi,
After 'banging my head against the wall' for the last couple of weeks, I
was wondering whether you could help with the following, please.

I'm trying to network my new Optiplex 740 with Vista Business (32bit), and
Norton 360, to my old Euro PC with W2K Pro. and SystemWorks, using basic
Belkin /Realtek cards and yellow ethernet cable. My broadband connection
is
through my old machine and works perfectly, as does the network card
installation.

My new machine also indicates that its card is correctly installed and
functioning correctly. BUT the Network and Sharing Center window shows
this computer as linked to an Unidentified network and no connection to
either the other computer or broadband connection.

Within my limited knowledge I've done all the usual stuff, including
turning
off both firewalls and antivirus.

So here we are with each machine happily doing its own thing, but flatly
refusing to speak to one another! : )

It's got to be something 'right under my nose' and stupidly simple, but
I would be REALLY grateful for any help that you can offer.

Thanks,
Kinetix

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\philipipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : euro1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-17-3F-9B-A1-D8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12(Preferred)
Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address. . : 169.254.1.239(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 184561853
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . :
00-01-00-01-0F-2F-93-47-00-1D-09-2D-67-E3

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{F59F4D91-9C8A-40D5-8D3A-C2D9A0B64
D9D}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::5efe:169.254.1.239%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\philip

"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" wrote:

Here are the problem.

Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address. . : 169.254.1.239(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Try to setup a static IP address first. Please post back with the result.

--
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Kinetix" wrote in message
...
Hi,
After 'banging my head against the wall' for the last couple of weeks, I
was wondering whether you could help with the following, please.

I'm trying to network my new Optiplex 740 with Vista Business (32bit), and
Norton 360, to my old Euro PC with W2K Pro. and SystemWorks, using basic
Belkin /Realtek cards and yellow ethernet cable. My broadband connection
is
through my old machine and works perfectly, as does the network card
installation.

My new machine also indicates that its card is correctly installed and
functioning correctly. BUT the Network and Sharing Center window shows
this computer as linked to an Unidentified network and no connection to
either the other computer or broadband connection.

Within my limited knowledge I've done all the usual stuff, including
turning
off both firewalls and antivirus.

So here we are with each machine happily doing its own thing, but flatly
refusing to speak to one another! : )

It's got to be something 'right under my nose' and stupidly simple, but
I would be REALLY grateful for any help that you can offer.

Thanks,
Kinetix

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\philipipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : euro1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-17-3F-9B-A1-D8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12(Preferred)e
Autoconfiguration IPv4 Address. . : 169.254.1.239(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 184561853
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . :
00-01-00-01-0F-2F-93-47-00-1D-09-2D-67-E3

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{F59F4D91-9C8A-40D5-8D3A-C2D9A0B64
D9D}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::5efe:169.254.1.239%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\philip


Hi Robert,
Thanks for your response. I tried a couple of times and it checked it out,
but defaulted back to Unidentified network.
Here's the latest print-out:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\philipipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : euro1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-17-3F-9B-A1-D8
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 169.254.130.17(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{F59F4D91-9C8A-40D5-8D3A-C2D9A0B64
D9D}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:169.254.130.17%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::6956:1807:5ed3:1ef%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\philip

hi, Kinetix

The problem that you cannot connect with other computer is thata you
are using a APIPA IP address Automatic Private IP Adddress. This happes
when your computer trys to find for a DHCP server (Dynamic Host
Configuration Protocol Server). What you need to do is Either setup a
DHCP on your Router or Server. Or use a Static IP address on all
computers in the same IP range. To way to do this one using the gui toll
which you said didnt work. so you can try this in command line

netsh interface ip set address name=" Local Area Connection 2" static
192.168.0.100 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.1 1

192.168.0.100 is your ip address
255.255.255.0 is your subnetmask
192.168.0.0 is your defult gateway (your routers interface)

tha above is just a example you can use any range that you want

Hope this helps

Cheers !!


--
john_cena

-Shihan Sylvester Pietersz-
-(MCP,MCSA,MCSE+Security,MCSE+Messeging-
-MCTS,MCITP)-
-Systems -::-Engineer / Consultant Trainer- ::

"john_cena" wrote:


hi, Kinetix

The problem that you cannot connect with other computer is thata you
are using a APIPA IP address Automatic Private IP Adddress. This happes
when your computer trys to find for a DHCP server (Dynamic Host
Configuration Protocol Server). What you need to do is Either setup a
DHCP on your Router or Server. Or use a Static IP address on all
computers in the same IP range. To way to do this one using the gui toll
which you said didnt work. so you can try this in command line

netsh interface ip set address name=" Local Area Connection 2" static
192.168.0.100 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.1 1

192.168.0.100 is your ip address
255.255.255.0 is your subnetmask
192.168.0.0 is your defult gateway (your routers interface)

tha above is just a example you can use any range that you want

Hope this helps

Cheers !!


--
john_cena

-Shihan Sylvester Pietersz-
-(MCP,MCSA,MCSE+Security,MCSE+Messeging-
-MCTS,MCITP)-
-Systems -::-Engineer / Consultant Trainer- ::

Hi John,
Thanks for the advice, but I haven't been able to resolve the problem.
Having tried various combinations of static ip addresses (and DHCP) on both
computers, I finally decided to try the registry entry that you suggested,
but got the message " The requested operation requires elevation".
Help! : )
Kinetix

Hi Kinetix,

You need to open command propmt as administrator to do this. do the
following
go to start, all programs , accessories, then right click command
propmt and select run as administrator. and enter the commads in my last
post. this should work fine then

Hope this helps

Cheers !!!
Kinetix;717215 Wrote:
"john_cena" wrote:

Hi John,
Thanks for the advice, but I haven't been able to resolve the problem.
Having tried various combinations of static ip addresses (and DHCP) on
both
computers, I finally decided to try the registry entry that you
suggested,
but got the message " The requested operation requires elevation".
Help! : )
Kinetix


--
john_cena

-Shihan Sylvester Pietersz-
-(MCP,MCSA,MCSE+Security,MCSE+Messeging-
-MCTS,MCITP)-
-Systems -::-Engineer / Consultant Trainer- ::

"john_cena" wrote:


Hi Kinetix,

You need to open command propmt as administrator to do this. do the
following
go to start, all programs , accessories, then right click command
propmt and select run as administrator. and enter the commads in my last
post. this should work fine then

Hope this helps

Cheers !!!
Kinetix;717215 Wrote:
"john_cena" wrote:

Hi John,
Thanks for the advice, but I haven't been able to resolve the problem.
Having tried various combinations of static ip addresses (and DHCP) on
both
computers, I finally decided to try the registry entry that you
suggested,
but got the message " The requested operation requires elevation".
Help! : )
Kinetix


--
john_cena

-Shihan Sylvester Pietersz-
-(MCP,MCSA,MCSE+Security,MCSE+Messeging-
-MCTS,MCITP)-
-Systems -::-Engineer / Consultant Trainer- ::

Hi John, I followed your instructions to the letter, but zilch. So restarted
- still nothing. Went into LAC2 Properties and reset from Static to DHCP, and
network icon disappears from Network window, while identifying kicks-in in
Network+Sharing, but after 14 minutes still fails to 'connect'.
Went back into LAC2 Properties and reinserted:
192.168.0.100 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.0
and icon reappears in Network+Sharing, and overall it's still classified as
being connected to an unidentified network.
Just to reiterate: 2 computers, 2 cards and an ethernet cable - nothing
else, and 'mechanically' everything showing as AOK!
Have included the latest print out. Hope that you've got something else up
your sleeve : ) Thanks, Kinetix

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\philipipconfig/all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : euro1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet
NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-30-BD-26-F4-C7
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::dc07:6597:59e4:8211%12(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.0
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::dc07:6597:59e4:8211%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
isatap.{F59F4D91-9C8A-40D5-8D3A-C2D9A0B64
D9D}
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.0.100%14(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::dc07:6597:59e4:8211%12
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 10:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

C:\Users\philip