Lou wrote:
This note it intended to assist those who wish to use either of the
subject programs in the same fashion I do. I have extensive experience
with Acronis version 10, initial release and build 9042 and version 11
build 8035. Also experienced with Norton Ghost version 10 and version
12. Both products are good.

I choose not to use the Acronis products because executing scheduled
backup tasks with validation for 4 systems would take about 9 hours and
20 minutes using Acronis TrueImage whereas the same tasks using Norton
Ghost would take about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

I back up four systems to an external drive on a regular basis. Each
backup is a full image of a system. Each backup is validated. Each
system backs up to a different directory on an external drive. I keep 6
backups for each system. All backups are scheduled overnight on the
same night. The drive is attached locally to a Vista system and 3 XP
systems back up to it's directory via a LAN. The back up time for the 4
systems are about 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes and 30 minutes.
Validating the backups take roughly the same time as does the backup.
These times are about the same for all the products.

The time difference (9 hrs 20 min vs 2 hrs 40 min) is due to what I
consider a flaw in the scheduled validation process of the Acronis
products. When executing a scheduled backup with validation, the
Acronis products validate every backup on the backup location. The
first backup of 10 minutes and 6 validations of 10 minutes each takes
about 1 hr 10 min. The second backup of 20 minutes and 6 validations
takes about 2 hrs and 20 min. The same time needed for the third
backup. The 4th backup of 30 min and 6 validations takes about 3 hrs 30
min. A total of about 9 hrs 20 mins.

The Norton Ghost products validate only the most recently created
backup. The time for each backup with validation is 20 min, 40 min, 40
min, 60 min for a total of 2 hrs 40 min.

I will not get into any debate about my mental state, propensity to lie
or the veracity of what I have said. What I have stated are facts that
can be verified by any TrueImage user or sending an inquiry to the
Acronis support team. They have been very responsive and very competent
in dealing my inquiries in the past.

Again, the sole purpose of this email it to give information to those
who may be planning to use a similar backup strateby as mine.

Lou

It's sounds to me like you might want to check some other backup
solutions. Are these computers in a business environment? I use a
product called Backup for Workgroups . You might want to check it out.
It is fast(after the taking the initial baseline backup) and keeps
multiple copies of each file. We use 3 500 gig USB drives. One holds the
baseline backup the second is a mirror of the backup and it gets swapped
out daily with the third drive so I always have a copy offsite. We
backup 4 servers with this configuration.

http://www.backup-for-workgroups.com/backup-index.html

Usual disclaimer: I don't work for or receive compensation from
this company. I'm just a satisfied customer.

gls858

Storing multiple backups from single system in the same directory is the
easiest way to manage space usage as well as the number of backups to
maintain without manual user intervention. Norton Ghost performs that task
flawlessly. Acronis TrueImage can perform that task as well but includes
multiple validation of the backups consuming too much time.

Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
I wasn't referring to the commingling of system backups, I was referring to
storing multiple backups in the same directory, which your original
statement implies.

As a simplistic example, having one directory named system1 and it
contains monday.tib, tuesday.tib, wednesday.tib, etc.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
I do use a separate directory for each system. There is no mingling of
backup files from 2 different systems into one directory. I thought I had
made that clear, perhaps not.

Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
You stated that. "Each system backs up to a different directory on an
external drive. I keep 6 backups for each system."

It sounds like you are commingling each system's backup into one
directory. This may be why you see the results that you do. If so, try
using a separate directory for each backup.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
This note it intended to assist those who wish to use either of the
subject programs in the same fashion I do. I have extensive experience
with Acronis version 10, initial release and build 9042 and version 11
build 8035. Also experienced with Norton Ghost version 10 and version
12. Both products are good.

I choose not to use the Acronis products because executing scheduled
backup tasks with validation for 4 systems would take about 9 hours and
20 minutes using Acronis TrueImage whereas the same tasks using Norton
Ghost would take about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

I back up four systems to an external drive on a regular basis. Each
backup is a full image of a system. Each backup is validated. Each
system backs up to a different directory on an external drive. I keep
6 backups for each system. All backups are scheduled overnight on the
same night. The drive is attached locally to a Vista system and 3 XP
systems back up to it's directory via a LAN. The back up time for the
4 systems are about 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes and 30 minutes.
Validating the backups take roughly the same time as does the backup.
These times are about the same for all the products.

The time difference (9 hrs 20 min vs 2 hrs 40 min) is due to what I
consider a flaw in the scheduled validation process of the Acronis
products. When executing a scheduled backup with validation, the
Acronis products validate every backup on the backup location. The
first backup of 10 minutes and 6 validations of 10 minutes each takes
about 1 hr 10 min. The second backup of 20 minutes and 6 validations
takes about 2 hrs and 20 min. The same time needed for the third
backup. The 4th backup of 30 min and 6 validations takes about 3 hrs
30 min. A total of about 9 hrs 20 mins.

The Norton Ghost products validate only the most recently created
backup. The time for each backup with validation is 20 min, 40 min, 40
min, 60 min for a total of 2 hrs 40 min.

I will not get into any debate about my mental state, propensity to lie
or the veracity of what I have said. What I have stated are facts that
can be verified by any TrueImage user or sending an inquiry to the
Acronis support team. They have been very responsive and very
competent in dealing my inquiries in the past.

Again, the sole purpose of this email it to give information to those
who may be planning to use a similar backup strateby as mine.

Lou

Thanks for the clarification. Now your issue is understandable and you can see
why others, like myself who use separate directories, never experienced the
problem with ATI's validation.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
Storing multiple backups from single system in the same directory is the
easiest way to manage space usage as well as the number of backups to maintain
without manual user intervention. Norton Ghost performs that task flawlessly.
Acronis TrueImage can perform that task as well but includes multiple
validation of the backups consuming too much time.

Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
I wasn't referring to the commingling of system backups, I was referring to
storing multiple backups in the same directory, which your original statement
implies.

As a simplistic example, having one directory named system1 and it contains
monday.tib, tuesday.tib, wednesday.tib, etc.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
I do use a separate directory for each system. There is no mingling of
backup files from 2 different systems into one directory. I thought I had
made that clear, perhaps not.

Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
You stated that. "Each system backs up to a different directory on an
external drive. I keep 6 backups for each system."

It sounds like you are commingling each system's backup into one directory.
This may be why you see the results that you do. If so, try using a
separate directory for each backup.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
This note it intended to assist those who wish to use either of the
subject programs in the same fashion I do. I have extensive experience
with Acronis version 10, initial release and build 9042 and version 11
build 8035. Also experienced with Norton Ghost version 10 and version 12.
Both products are good.

I choose not to use the Acronis products because executing scheduled
backup tasks with validation for 4 systems would take about 9 hours and 20
minutes using Acronis TrueImage whereas the same tasks using Norton Ghost
would take about 2 hours and 40 minutes.

I back up four systems to an external drive on a regular basis. Each
backup is a full image of a system. Each backup is validated. Each
system backs up to a different directory on an external drive. I keep 6
backups for each system. All backups are scheduled overnight on the same
night. The drive is attached locally to a Vista system and 3 XP systems
back up to it's directory via a LAN. The back up time for the 4 systems
are about 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes and 30 minutes. Validating
the backups take roughly the same time as does the backup. These times are
about the same for all the products.

The time difference (9 hrs 20 min vs 2 hrs 40 min) is due to what I
consider a flaw in the scheduled validation process of the Acronis
products. When executing a scheduled backup with validation, the Acronis
products validate every backup on the backup location. The first backup
of 10 minutes and 6 validations of 10 minutes each takes about 1 hr 10
min. The second backup of 20 minutes and 6 validations takes about 2 hrs
and 20 min. The same time needed for the third backup. The 4th backup of
30 min and 6 validations takes about 3 hrs 30 min. A total of about 9 hrs
20 mins.

The Norton Ghost products validate only the most recently created backup.
The time for each backup with validation is 20 min, 40 min, 40 min, 60 min
for a total of 2 hrs 40 min.

I will not get into any debate about my mental state, propensity to lie or
the veracity of what I have said. What I have stated are facts that can
be verified by any TrueImage user or sending an inquiry to the Acronis
support team. They have been very responsive and very competent in
dealing my inquiries in the past.

Again, the sole purpose of this email it to give information to those who
may be planning to use a similar backup strateby as mine.

Lou

When it you're money that has been spent you can be more demanding.


--
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Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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"Big_Al" wrote in message
news:45Z1k.11203$%Z1.4092@trnddc05...


Our office has had norton anti-virus corporate for years. And has caused
zero problems. I too find it odd that the corporate version is so good
but the home version causes so much chatter and complaint.

Storing multiple backups from single system in the same directory is
the easiest way to manage space usage as well as the number of
backups to maintain without manual user intervention. Norton Ghost
performs that task flawlessly. Acronis TrueImage can perform that
task as well but includes multiple validation of the backups
consuming too much time.

I don't use ATI, but ... as long as the validation et al are occurring
overnight, who really cares as long as it's reliable?

Besides, isn't that something that would be programmable to be turned
off/on by the user?
Just curious.

I can see where it'd be a problem for those who want to sit and watch
a backup proceed, but ... . Personally, with Ghost, I validated until I
was sure there weren't any problems and then stopped using validation.
I do Fulls monthly and incrementals daily; and to DVD quarterly; never
had a problem.

Twayne



Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
I wasn't referring to the commingling of system backups, I was
referring to storing multiple backups in the same directory, which
your original statement implies.

As a simplistic example, having one directory named system1 and it
contains monday.tib, tuesday.tib, wednesday.tib, etc.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
I do use a separate directory for each system. There is no
mingling of backup files from 2 different systems into one
directory. I thought I had made that clear, perhaps not.

Lou

"David Webb" wrote in message
...
You stated that. "Each system backs up to a different directory on
an external drive. I keep 6 backups for each system."

It sounds like you are commingling each system's backup into one
directory. This may be why you see the results that you do. If so,
try using a separate directory for each backup.

"Lou" wrote in message
...
This note it intended to assist those who wish to use either of
the subject programs in the same fashion I do. I have extensive
experience with Acronis version 10, initial release and build
9042 and version 11 build 8035. Also experienced with Norton
Ghost version 10 and version 12. Both products are good.

I choose not to use the Acronis products because executing
scheduled backup tasks with validation for 4 systems would take
about 9 hours and 20 minutes using Acronis TrueImage whereas the
same tasks using Norton Ghost would take about 2 hours and 40
minutes. I back up four systems to an external drive on a regular
basis. Each backup is a full image of a system. Each backup is
validated. Each system backs up to a different directory on an
external drive. I keep 6 backups for each system. All backups
are scheduled overnight on the same night. The drive is attached
locally to a Vista system and 3 XP systems back up to it's
directory via a LAN. The back up time for the 4 systems are
about 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes and 30 minutes.
Validating the backups take roughly the same time as does the
backup. These times are about the same for all the products. The
time difference (9 hrs 20 min vs 2 hrs 40 min) is due to what
I consider a flaw in the scheduled validation process of the
Acronis products. When executing a scheduled backup with
validation, the Acronis products validate every backup on the
backup location. The first backup of 10 minutes and 6
validations of 10 minutes each takes about 1 hr 10 min. The
second backup of 20 minutes and 6 validations takes about 2 hrs
and 20 min. The same time needed for the third backup. The 4th
backup of 30 min and 6 validations takes about 3 hrs 30 min. A
total of about 9 hrs 20 mins. The Norton Ghost products validate
only the most recently created
backup. The time for each backup with validation is 20 min, 40
min, 40 min, 60 min for a total of 2 hrs 40 min.

I will not get into any debate about my mental state, propensity
to lie or the veracity of what I have said. What I have stated
are facts that can be verified by any TrueImage user or sending
an inquiry to the Acronis support team. They have been very
responsive and very competent in dealing my inquiries in the past.

Again, the sole purpose of this email it to give information to
those who may be planning to use a similar backup strateby as
mine. Lou