Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag still
works great.

Jeff

"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

Hi Chris,

Jeff gave you the workaround. To know why this change was made in Vista, check the following FAQ

"Why was the defrag progress indicator removed?"

The Filing Cabinet : Disk Defragmenter FAQ:
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pag...enter-faq.aspx

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


"Jeff" wrote in message ...
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag still
works great.

Jeff

"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

Jeff schrieb:
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag
still works great.

....or http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/index.php which is free.

Roy


"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is
working with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual
version of defrag?

I read the blog below....
Just a couple of comments...
1) I don't know who they talked to about the progress gui, but it wasn't
me, I depend on the snapshot and progress.
2) The line on the new defrag gui - this may take several minutes to
several hours is more ambiguous than the progress ever was.
3) I never believed the 10-11% break point in XP and previous OS's
anyway. The reason why files get fragmented is that are the most used and
the most accessed, defrag anyway.
4) I would REALLY like at least the option of displaying a graphical
representation of the fragmentation and progress.
5) Yes there is a multi-pass in defrag, but at least I was used to what
it was doing and could more or less predict (with the graphical state) when
to come back to check if it was done.
6) I now have no idea when or if to run defrag. Is the new MS algorithm
any better than #3, I don't know, as the state is now hidden.

Not trying to be difficult, but I really don't want to be "dumbed down".
Frankm



"Ramesh, MS-MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Chris,

Jeff gave you the workaround. To know why this change was made in Vista,
check the following FAQ

"Why was the defrag progress indicator removed?"

The Filing Cabinet : Disk Defragmenter FAQ:
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pag...enter-faq.aspx

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag still
works great.

Jeff

"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

We hear this concern a lot in the newsgroups. I think with XP we did a good
job of training people to sit and watch the defrag run, because the computer
was pretty much unusable during defragmentation and your only choices were
to watch it run or go do something else. My own personal method was to wait
for my system to become sluggish, add a reminder to Outlook for 5pm on a
weekday, start defrag, and then go home. Not exactly an elegant solution :-)

With Vista, we designed the defrag to run once a week at night to keep your
computer in a relatively defragmented state. For end users who don't come to
newsgroups and don't know the first thing about file systems, the defragger
runs without their knowledge and keeps their computers defragmented. This is
a giant leap from XP. But, even if you know about fragmentation and decide
to run the defragger manually, the computer is still usable--the defragger
is designed so that you can still do other things on the computer, which
eliminates the need for a countdown (aka progress indicator) to let you know
when the computer is usable. We would like for customers to think of defrag
as a system process that runs when it can and that doesn't interfere with
your work. In other words, if you want your system to be defragmented but
don't really care when or how, let the defragger do its thing. Savvy users
who want very fine control over defragmentation tend to prefer 3rd-party
defraggers, many of which have been recommended here. These will give you
the progress and graphical views you're looking for.

Another option is to use the built-in defrag.exe command-line tool, which
gives you analysis info (both before and after), different levels of
defragmentation (see our blog for some parameters), etc. If you want to know
what the defragger is up to, you could set up a scheduled task to run an
analysis before and after defrag and output it to a text file.

I know these aren't necessarily the answers you're looking for, but I hope
they clarify our design choices.


--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies? Visit
our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.


"frankm" wrote in message
...
I read the blog below....
Just a couple of comments...
1) I don't know who they talked to about the progress gui, but it
wasn't me, I depend on the snapshot and progress.
2) The line on the new defrag gui - this may take several minutes to
several hours is more ambiguous than the progress ever was.
3) I never believed the 10-11% break point in XP and previous OS's
anyway. The reason why files get fragmented is that are the most used and
the most accessed, defrag anyway.
4) I would REALLY like at least the option of displaying a graphical
representation of the fragmentation and progress.
5) Yes there is a multi-pass in defrag, but at least I was used to what
it was doing and could more or less predict (with the graphical state)
when to come back to check if it was done.
6) I now have no idea when or if to run defrag. Is the new MS algorithm
any better than #3, I don't know, as the state is now hidden.

Not trying to be difficult, but I really don't want to be "dumbed down".
Frankm



"Ramesh, MS-MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Chris,

Jeff gave you the workaround. To know why this change was made in Vista,
check the following FAQ

"Why was the defrag progress indicator removed?"

The Filing Cabinet : Disk Defragmenter FAQ:
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pag...enter-faq.aspx

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag still
works great.

Jeff

"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is
working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

In other words, if you want your system to be defragmented but
don't really care when or how, let the defragger do its thing.

Yeah but does it restart over and over every time I do anything on the machine?

Tom Lake

Check out the last two questions/answers in our FAQ at
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pag...enter-faq.aspx.

--
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Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies? Visit
our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.
"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
In other words, if you want your system to be defragmented but
don't really care when or how, let the defragger do its thing.

Yeah but does it restart over and over every time I do anything on the
machine?

Tom Lake

Brilliant! People who do not let their computers run overnight will never
reap the benefits of the crippled defrag, if any.

--
Leo
If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished.






"Jill Zoeller [MSFT]" wrote in message
...
We hear this concern a lot in the newsgroups. I think with XP we did a
good job of training people to sit and watch the defrag run, because the
computer was pretty much unusable during defragmentation and your only
choices were to watch it run or go do something else. My own personal
method was to wait for my system to become sluggish, add a reminder to
Outlook for 5pm on a weekday, start defrag, and then go home. Not exactly
an elegant solution :-)

With Vista, we designed the defrag to run once a week at night to keep
your computer in a relatively defragmented state. For end users who don't
come to newsgroups and don't know the first thing about file systems, the
defragger runs without their knowledge and keeps their computers
defragmented. This is a giant leap from XP. But, even if you know about
fragmentation and decide to run the defragger manually, the computer is
still usable--the defragger is designed so that you can still do other
things on the computer, which eliminates the need for a countdown (aka
progress indicator) to let you know when the computer is usable. We would
like for customers to think of defrag as a system process that runs when
it can and that doesn't interfere with your work. In other words, if you
want your system to be defragmented but don't really care when or how, let
the defragger do its thing. Savvy users who want very fine control over
defragmentation tend to prefer 3rd-party defraggers, many of which have
been recommended here. These will give you the progress and graphical
views you're looking for.

Another option is to use the built-in defrag.exe command-line tool, which
gives you analysis info (both before and after), different levels of
defragmentation (see our blog for some parameters), etc. If you want to
know what the defragger is up to, you could set up a scheduled task to run
an analysis before and after defrag and output it to a text file.

I know these aren't necessarily the answers you're looking for, but I hope
they clarify our design choices.


--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

Want to learn more about Windows Server file and storage technologies?
Visit our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx.


"frankm" wrote in message
...
I read the blog below....
Just a couple of comments...
1) I don't know who they talked to about the progress gui, but it
wasn't me, I depend on the snapshot and progress.
2) The line on the new defrag gui - this may take several minutes to
several hours is more ambiguous than the progress ever was.
3) I never believed the 10-11% break point in XP and previous OS's
anyway. The reason why files get fragmented is that are the most used and
the most accessed, defrag anyway.
4) I would REALLY like at least the option of displaying a graphical
representation of the fragmentation and progress.
5) Yes there is a multi-pass in defrag, but at least I was used to
what it was doing and could more or less predict (with the graphical
state) when to come back to check if it was done.
6) I now have no idea when or if to run defrag. Is the new MS
algorithm any better than #3, I don't know, as the state is now hidden.

Not trying to be difficult, but I really don't want to be "dumbed down".
Frankm



"Ramesh, MS-MVP" wrote in message
...
Hi Chris,

Jeff gave you the workaround. To know why this change was made in Vista,
check the following FAQ

"Why was the defrag progress indicator removed?"

The Filing Cabinet : Disk Defragmenter FAQ:
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/pag...enter-faq.aspx

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting http://www.winhelponline.com


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag still
works great.

Jeff

"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is
working
with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual version of
defrag?

Stupid diskkeeper and company won't have their vista solution ready till next
month.

"Johnathon,



Thank you for your email. We are a few weeks away from the release of
Diskeeper for Vista. We are being told before the end of the year.



Jennifer DK"



"Roy Coorne" wrote:

Jeff schrieb:
At this point,
a 3rd party app, like O&O defrag; or Raxco.
that's if you need gui based, if not, running a command line defrag
still works great.

....or http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/index.php which is free.

Roy


"Chris Robbins" wrote in message
...
Really liked the XP defragmenter. I like to see how the defrag is
working with the 2 bars displaying results. Any way to run a visual
version of defrag?