I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry, and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft. But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




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It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for
me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been
cleared up..


"tacwalker" wrote in message
...
I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside"
TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement,
I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well)
is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry,
and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this
forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not
give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have
a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




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Mike --

I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
missed RC2], and it is working well for me.

I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
process take it from there?

Thanks,
Russ Walden

"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote:

It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for
me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been
cleared up..

Russ;
No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.

Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.

Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
the process.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Russ Walden" wrote in message
...
Mike --

I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
missed RC2], and it is working well for me.

I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
process take it from there?

Thanks,
Russ Walden

I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has
finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok,
some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they
want to continue selling software


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Russ;
No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.

Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.

Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
the process.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Russ Walden" wrote in message
...
Mike --

I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
missed RC2], and it is working well for me.

I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
process take it from there?

Thanks,
Russ Walden

Most of the problems I'm seeing with RTM are driver related of issues around
third party apps no longer having access to parts of the OS due to security.
If the latter of these mean that Vista is more secure and STABLE I'll put up
with waiting for third party software producers to release Vista versions.

I have to say though there are very few things that I can't do on Vista and
for those I have an XP Virtual machine loaded on Vista.

I've even left UAC on for the first time when I installed RTM, I still am
yet to be convinced that UAC is worth the hassle but I'll give it a go.

Colin T
"Clayton" wrote in message
...
I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has
finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok,
some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they
want to continue selling software


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Russ;
No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.

Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.

Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
the process.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Russ Walden" wrote in message
...
Mike --

I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
missed RC2], and it is working well for me.

I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
process take it from there?

Thanks,
Russ Walden

I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real
complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista drivers
and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not Microsoft's
fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months now.

The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles
periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here or
on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it for
a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having the
same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with MS. If
it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.



"tacwalker" wrote:

I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry, and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft. But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




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I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations
were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date a

1) Occasional Explorer crashes
2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items
3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell workstations
4) Network password functionality loss

Stuart.
----------

"John" wrote:

I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real
complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista drivers
and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not Microsoft's
fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months now.

The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles
periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here or
on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it for
a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having the
same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with MS. If
it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.



"tacwalker" wrote:

I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry, and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft. But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




----------------
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I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting in a
force shutdown


"Stuart [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations
were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date a

1) Occasional Explorer crashes
2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items
3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell
workstations
4) Network password functionality loss

Stuart.
----------

"John" wrote:

I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real
complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista
drivers
and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not
Microsoft's
fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months
now.

The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles
periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here
or
on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it
for
a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having
the
same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with
MS. If
it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.



"tacwalker" wrote:

I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel
Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in
Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that
advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc)
operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN
MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as
well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and
finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines
(for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry,
and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744.
To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other
os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic
because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this
forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not
give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you
have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




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I'm now seeing problems re-enabling my monitors on both of these Vista
systems after Vista turns them off according to the power plan. Guess I'll
have to disable that too

Oh well, that's what we get for being early deployers

"Clayton" wrote:

I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting in a
force shutdown


"Stuart [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations
were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date a

1) Occasional Explorer crashes
2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items
3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell
workstations
4) Network password functionality loss

Stuart.
----------

"John" wrote:

I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real
complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista
drivers
and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not
Microsoft's
fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months
now.

The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles
periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here
or
on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it
for
a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having
the
same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with
MS. If
it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.



"tacwalker" wrote:

I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel
Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in
Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that
advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc)
operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN
MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as
well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and
finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines
(for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry,
and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744.
To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other
os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic
because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this
forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not
give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you
have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




----------------
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suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
"I
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