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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?



 
 
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Old August 23rd 08, 08:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
98 Guy
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

Ringmaster wrote:

Well duh, I don't speak German fluently


It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything
into English.

but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically
the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE
between Live file system and the other choice.


The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user
that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be
compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system
for that matter).

If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft.


You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
disks that are readable by XP.

And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a
lot of consumer support issues?
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Old August 23rd 08, 08:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
Ringmaster
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:17:50 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

Ringmaster wrote:

Well duh, I don't speak German fluently


It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything
into English.

but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically
the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE
between Live file system and the other choice.


The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user
that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be
compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system
for that matter).

If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft.


You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
disks that are readable by XP.

And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a
lot of consumer support issues?


You're arguing with the wrong guy. I think Vista is more screwed-up
than almost anybody. You're splitting hairs. You're choosing to ignore
an embedded link that leads to a choice that is clearly shown BEFORE
Vista starts the copy process. If or not the next button should have
come before or after is really irrelevant. You can lead a horse to
water but you can't make him drink.
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Old August 23rd 08, 10:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
98 Guy
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

Ringmaster wrote:

You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
disks that are readable by XP.


And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would
produce a disk that is readable by XP.

You're splitting hairs.


Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box
presentation.

Just answer this question:

Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable
by XP?
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Old August 23rd 08, 11:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
Ringmaster
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:35:05 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:

Ringmaster wrote:

You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce
disks that are readable by XP.


And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would
produce a disk that is readable by XP.

You're splitting hairs.


Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box
presentation.

Just answer this question:

Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable
by XP?


The best answer you can get is a MAYBE. Again directly from Vista's
own Burn a Disc window.

The default is SET to Live File System and reads:

Live File system - Allows you to add and erase files, like a USB flash
drive. Might not be readable on operating systems before Windows XP.

The optional choice reads:

Mastered - Readable on all computers and some CD/DVD players. Requires
you to write all files at once, and individual files can't be erased
afterwards.

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I understand you not having Vista you don't see this. It further goes
on to provide a link to Vista help which brings up a detailed list of
available choices detailed below. What follows is Microsoft's words
not mine:

Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered
disc formats

If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with
the Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new
format, called Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System
format are often more convenient because you can copy selected files
immediately and as often as you want, as if the disc were a floppy
disc or USB flash drive. On the other hand, Live File System discs
can’t be used in all computers and devices. Use this guide to
understand the difference between Live File System and Mastered discs:

Discs formatted with the Live File System option:

Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files
to disc immediately without having to burn them.

Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy
files whenever the need arises.

Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

Discs formatted with the Mastered option:
Don’t copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire
collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn
them all at once.

Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such
as a music CD.

Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and
DVD players.

Why are there different versions of the Live File System format?
Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with
different operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to
use a disc in, you might need to select a different version of Live
File System. If you plan to use your disc on the latest version of
Windows, however, you will never need to change the version of Live
File System you use. If you need to make discs that are compatible
with earlier versions of Windows, use the table below to select the
right Live File System version for your needs:

There's more, I didn't copy.
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Old August 24th 08, 01:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Jeff Richards
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

A CD that is not closed can be accessed (or closed) by any machine that has
CD mastering capability. There are no bits left over on the hard drive and
reinstalling the OS or CD drivers would not affect the ability to access the
disk and add more data to it, or to close it.

Because it is not closed the directory (actually, the TOC) needs to be
accessed in a special way. However, this also means that the directory can
be rewritten to include both new material and the original files, so it is
possible (at some waste of space) to add data to a mastered CD that has not
been closed. Once it is closed the standard directory (TOC) gets written
and new material cannot be added, but it becomes accessible to any hardware
that can read a mastered CD.

See, for instance:
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-19
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Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Canuck57" wrote in message
news:dbWrk.209900$gc5.190428@pd7urf2no...

snip

True and not true. If you don't close the disk, the final directory
information parts would not be written to the disk, thus making it
unusable by other computers as in essence, it is a incomplete burn. The
unburned data being retained on the hard drive for subsequent use.

Problem though, if you reinstalled the OS or the CD drivers, these cached
bits of directory data would get wiped out making the partially burned CDs
useless.

They did this so that you could add more files later as one you made the
CD complete with writing the header/directory information you could no
longer add for files to it using known formats that Windoze can use. That
is, Windows does not have built in method of reading CDs in more than one
partition. You can actually make a CD or DVD that in Linux can be seen in
it's entirety, while on a MS-Windows system you only get part of the data.

Frank is wrong if you consider it needs to be a complete and recoverable
burn.



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Old January 15th 09, 11:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Adam A. Wanderer
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
If files are copied (drag'n'dropped) to a CD-R while using Vista, are
those files accessible if the CD is put into an XP machine? I've heard
of some first-hand accounts where this seems to be the case.

Does Vista use a file system on burned CD's or DVD's that XP can't read?

If so, does Micro$oft provide a driver for XP to be able to read them?

I'm a long, long way from being an expert, but part of it may be the
"version" of UDF XP and/or Vista use. Also, there's a UDF/ISO "bridge
format" that uses both in the same disk so that both new and older systems
can read the CD/DVD created. To make matters worse, there are ways to
"relax" the UDF and ISO formats to make them easier to work with, but that
can result in the disk not working, or working, on different machines and
programs (it's usually best never to "relax" the format, unless you know for
sure it won't make any difference.
Note: An experienced user of the Nero disk burning program can tell you
more about the options for UDF, ISO and UDF/ISO "bridge" formats and what
can be "relaxed" when creating CD/DVDs. (I'm not an experienced user.)
Nero, and other programs, has the supreme advantage of being able to "tweak"
the UDF, ISO and "bride" options/settings, whereas you can't change the XP
or Vista settings. What UDF-ISO-UDF/ISO formats and "relaxations" the "Drag
and Drop" methods use on either XP or Vista, probably only someone at
Microsoft could even begin to tell you, and they don't talk to the public
much. I tried to find out at the Microsoft web site, and it's actually
worse than stereo instructions or understanding the inner workings of some
super computer! (Go to http://www.microsoft.com and use the search feature
to feed in UDF, ISO, and both UDF/ISO together.)


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Old January 16th 09, 12:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management,microsoft.public.windows.vista,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Adam A. Wanderer
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Default Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Does Vista use a file system on burned CD's or DVD's that XP
can't read?


"R. C. White" wrote:

Hi, 98 Guy.

Where did you hear this?


A friend of mine said that last weekend a friend of his with a vista
laptop burns some files onto a generic CD-R disk. They take it over to
an XP machine and it can't read the cd. They take it back to the vista
laptop and it can read the files.

My friend brings the CD to work and a few XP guys look at it but they
can't read it either in their XP machines. The properties of the disk
indicate that it's a blank CD - but it's capacity is reduced -
indicating that there is something on the disk.

I came across the following, which could be the reason why XP can't read
the CD:

Vista UDF 2.5 issue:

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/......2&SiteID=17

Possible XP driver might be here (I haven't tried this yet):

http://files.digital-digest.com/down...-BluePrint.rar

But this issue pertains to CD-R's (not DVD-r's) so I'm not sure if this
UDF thing would or might apply.

The most recent version of UDF, or so I'm told, is v2.6, which was designed
for Blu-Ray disk work, when Blu-Ray burners are available on PCs.


 




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