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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
Ringmaster wrote:
Well duh, I don't speak German fluently It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything into English. but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE between Live file system and the other choice. The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system for that matter). If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft. You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce disks that are readable by XP. And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a lot of consumer support issues? |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:17:50 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
Ringmaster wrote: Well duh, I don't speak German fluently It's Dutch, but that doesn't matter. The author translates everything into English. but if you look on the 3rd item of the above link is shows basically the same thing the English version shows. Which is giving you a CHOICE between Live file system and the other choice. The point being that the first burn dialog box DOESN'T warn the user that he has a choice and that the default burn setting will not be compatible with other versions of Windows (or any other operating system for that matter). If you don't like how it's presented complain to Microsoft. You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce disks that are readable by XP. And if it doesn't, then why not? Don't you think that would create a lot of consumer support issues? You're arguing with the wrong guy. I think Vista is more screwed-up than almost anybody. You're splitting hairs. You're choosing to ignore an embedded link that leads to a choice that is clearly shown BEFORE Vista starts the copy process. If or not the next button should have come before or after is really irrelevant. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
Ringmaster wrote:
You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce disks that are readable by XP. And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would produce a disk that is readable by XP. You're splitting hairs. Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box presentation. Just answer this question: Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable by XP? |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:35:05 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
Ringmaster wrote: You still haven't explained if the default burn setting would produce disks that are readable by XP. And you STILL haven't said if the default burn setting for Vista would produce a disk that is readable by XP. You're splitting hairs. Let's leave aside the clarity (or logic) of the Vista dialog box presentation. Just answer this question: Does the default burn setting for Vista produce disks that are readable by XP? The best answer you can get is a MAYBE. Again directly from Vista's own Burn a Disc window. The default is SET to Live File System and reads: Live File system - Allows you to add and erase files, like a USB flash drive. Might not be readable on operating systems before Windows XP. The optional choice reads: Mastered - Readable on all computers and some CD/DVD players. Requires you to write all files at once, and individual files can't be erased afterwards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand you not having Vista you don't see this. It further goes on to provide a link to Vista help which brings up a detailed list of available choices detailed below. What follows is Microsoft's words not mine: Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered disc formats If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with the Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new format, called Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System format are often more convenient because you can copy selected files immediately and as often as you want, as if the disc were a floppy disc or USB flash drive. On the other hand, Live File System discs can’t be used in all computers and devices. Use this guide to understand the difference between Live File System and Mastered discs: Discs formatted with the Live File System option: Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files to disc immediately without having to burn them. Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy files whenever the need arises. Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows. Discs formatted with the Mastered option: Don’t copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn them all at once. Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such as a music CD. Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and DVD players. Why are there different versions of the Live File System format? Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with different operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to use a disc in, you might need to select a different version of Live File System. If you plan to use your disc on the latest version of Windows, however, you will never need to change the version of Live File System you use. If you need to make discs that are compatible with earlier versions of Windows, use the table below to select the right Live File System version for your needs: There's more, I didn't copy. |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
A CD that is not closed can be accessed (or closed) by any machine that has
CD mastering capability. There are no bits left over on the hard drive and reinstalling the OS or CD drivers would not affect the ability to access the disk and add more data to it, or to close it. Because it is not closed the directory (actually, the TOC) needs to be accessed in a special way. However, this also means that the directory can be rewritten to include both new material and the original files, so it is possible (at some waste of space) to add data to a mastered CD that has not been closed. Once it is closed the standard directory (TOC) gets written and new material cannot be added, but it becomes accessible to any hardware that can read a mastered CD. See, for instance: http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-19 -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Canuck57" wrote in message news:dbWrk.209900$gc5.190428@pd7urf2no... snip True and not true. If you don't close the disk, the final directory information parts would not be written to the disk, thus making it unusable by other computers as in essence, it is a incomplete burn. The unburned data being retained on the hard drive for subsequent use. Problem though, if you reinstalled the OS or the CD drivers, these cached bits of directory data would get wiped out making the partially burned CDs useless. They did this so that you could add more files later as one you made the CD complete with writing the header/directory information you could no longer add for files to it using known formats that Windoze can use. That is, Windows does not have built in method of reading CDs in more than one partition. You can actually make a CD or DVD that in Linux can be seen in it's entirety, while on a MS-Windows system you only get part of the data. Frank is wrong if you consider it needs to be a complete and recoverable burn. |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
If files are copied (drag'n'dropped) to a CD-R while using Vista, are those files accessible if the CD is put into an XP machine? I've heard of some first-hand accounts where this seems to be the case. Does Vista use a file system on burned CD's or DVD's that XP can't read? If so, does Micro$oft provide a driver for XP to be able to read them? I'm a long, long way from being an expert, but part of it may be the "version" of UDF XP and/or Vista use. Also, there's a UDF/ISO "bridge format" that uses both in the same disk so that both new and older systems can read the CD/DVD created. To make matters worse, there are ways to "relax" the UDF and ISO formats to make them easier to work with, but that can result in the disk not working, or working, on different machines and programs (it's usually best never to "relax" the format, unless you know for sure it won't make any difference. Note: An experienced user of the Nero disk burning program can tell you more about the options for UDF, ISO and UDF/ISO "bridge" formats and what can be "relaxed" when creating CD/DVDs. (I'm not an experienced user.) Nero, and other programs, has the supreme advantage of being able to "tweak" the UDF, ISO and "bride" options/settings, whereas you can't change the XP or Vista settings. What UDF-ISO-UDF/ISO formats and "relaxations" the "Drag and Drop" methods use on either XP or Vista, probably only someone at Microsoft could even begin to tell you, and they don't talk to the public much. I tried to find out at the Microsoft web site, and it's actually worse than stereo instructions or understanding the inner workings of some super computer! (Go to http://www.microsoft.com and use the search feature to feed in UDF, ISO, and both UDF/ISO together.) |
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Does Vista use a file system when burning CD's that XP can't read?
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Does Vista use a file system on burned CD's or DVD's that XP can't read? "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, 98 Guy. Where did you hear this? A friend of mine said that last weekend a friend of his with a vista laptop burns some files onto a generic CD-R disk. They take it over to an XP machine and it can't read the cd. They take it back to the vista laptop and it can read the files. My friend brings the CD to work and a few XP guys look at it but they can't read it either in their XP machines. The properties of the disk indicate that it's a blank CD - but it's capacity is reduced - indicating that there is something on the disk. I came across the following, which could be the reason why XP can't read the CD: Vista UDF 2.5 issue: http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/......2&SiteID=17 Possible XP driver might be here (I haven't tried this yet): http://files.digital-digest.com/down...-BluePrint.rar But this issue pertains to CD-R's (not DVD-r's) so I'm not sure if this UDF thing would or might apply. The most recent version of UDF, or so I'm told, is v2.6, which was designed for Blu-Ray disk work, when Blu-Ray burners are available on PCs. |
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