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Moving boot files from one drive to another.



 
 
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Old October 9th 08, 08:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
David Manvell
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.

I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the first
hard drive?

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Old October 9th 08, 10:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
SIW2
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.


david manvell;856416 Wrote:
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first
and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows
vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was
to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the
first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so
the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive)
to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
first
hard drive?


Hi David,

If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on
that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose
Vista's ability to boot.

I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you
are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .

The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has
been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is
to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that
with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91...up-repair.html

Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall
from scratch just using the second hd.

I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install
when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In
which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have
the full version dvd ?

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/11...ion-vista.html

Hope this helps

SIW2


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Old October 9th 08, 07:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
David Manvell
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.



"SIW2" wrote:
If the partition with XP on was set as the Active partition when you
run the Vista installer, it will have written Vista's boot files on
that partition. If you format or remove the XP partition, you lose
Vista's ability to boot.

I don't know if you can copy the bootmgr and boot folder in the way you
are suggesting, as I've never tried it...perhaps someone else does .

The normal way to replace Vista's bootloader ( sometimes because it has
been replaced by replaced by XP's - if it's installed after Vista ) is
to use the MS install dvd to do startup repair - you might try that
with just the second hd attached and the Vista partition set to active.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91...up-repair.html

Or, as this is a recent Vista install , you may prefer to reinstall
from scratch just using the second hd.

I believe you can't "upgrade " in the sense of doing an upgrade install
when going from XP pro x64 to Vista - you have to do a clean install. In
which case tho. you may have paid an "upgrade" price , you actually have
the full version dvd ?

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/11...ion-vista.html

Hope this helps

SIW2


Both my XP64 and my Vista 64 partitions are listed as Active partitions. I
can try to do the repair and see how it goes. Always scary you will lose
everything when messing with that stuff.

When you go from xp64 to vista 64 it is counted as an upgrade from a
licensing stand point as I had to have the xp64 on my system in order for the
upgrade to proceed but it only does the upgrade as a clean install. It would
not overwrite the xp64 when it did it.

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Old October 9th 08, 09:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.


You can't move the boot partition of Windows easily. It is usually C:.
You could image the drive to a new drive. Best way is a backup and
clean install.


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Old October 9th 08, 09:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
AJR
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.

David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.

Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.


"david manvell" wrote in message
...
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
first
hard drive?



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Old October 14th 08, 12:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
David Manvell
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.



"AJR" wrote:

David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it uses
BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or refers
selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.

Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager such as
VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.


"david manvell" wrote in message
...
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the original
drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64 drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove the
first
hard drive?


I'm making some progress.

Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
displayorder {current}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=J:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
osdevice partition=J:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
nx OptIn


So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot loader
but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive where
Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the Boot
Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If VistaBoot pro
3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair. Is
there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive without the
Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk from
microsoft?

Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair and
create a Boot manager on the J: ?

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Old October 14th 08, 12:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
SIW2
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.


david manvell;860200 Wrote:
"AJR" wrote:

David - in a dual bootsetup - XP uses boot.ini and Vista does not (it

uses
BCDStore) as a boot manager. Boot.ini XP partition/drive boots XP or

refers
selection to the Vista boot manager on the Vista partition.\drive.

Your problem is very common - download a third party boot manager

such as
VistaPro or EasyBCD - follow provided instructions for solution.


"david manvell" davidmanvell@xxxxxx wrote in message
news:3584B59F-FA37-499A-8579-1D0AEB173C9D@xxxxxx
I have two hard drives (Physical drives). one drive was installed
first and
has windows xp pro x64 on it. I later bought the upgrade to windows
vista
ultimate x64. When I installed vista x64 on the 2nd drive the plan
was to
duel boot till I was certian vista was working fine then remove the
first
hard drive (The one containing xp64) from the computer. When I do
so the
system will not boot up as the boot stuff appears to be on the
original
drive.

How can I move the boot files from the first drive (Windows xp64
drive) to
the second one (Windows vista ultimate x64 drive) so I can remove
the
first
hard drive? I'm making some progress.


Right now VistBoot pro 3.3 is telling me the following:

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=C:
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
default {current}
displayorder {current}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=J:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
osdevice partition=J:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {c98a4d4c-b9c3-11dc-9554-c22fb0668d69}
nx OptIn


So I have successfully removed the older Windows XP64 off of the boot
loader
but the Boot manager is still on the C: drive instead of the J: Drive
where
Windows Vista x64 is located. I cannot seem to find a way to move the
Boot
Manager to the J: so I can yank the C: drive out completely. If
VistaBoot pro
3.3 will do that or not i have not figured out how.

I cannot find my original Vista disks anywhere to do a system repair.
Is
there a way to recreate or move the Boot Manager to the J: drive
without the
Windows Vista disk or can I get a replacement copy of my Vista disk
from
microsoft?

Can I use my older Windows XP Professional x64 disks to do a repair
and
create a Boot manager on the J: ?



Hi,

MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
key though

'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx)

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85...ey-number.html

Hope that helps

SIW2


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Old October 14th 08, 12:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
David Manvell
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.


Hi,

MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
key though

'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx)

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85...ey-number.html

Hope that helps

SIW2


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SIW2


"We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

Any suggestions?

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Old October 14th 08, 01:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
David Manvell
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.



"david manvell" wrote:


Hi,

MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your product
key though

'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx)

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85...ey-number.html

Hope that helps

SIW2


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SIW2


"We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:
The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

Any suggestions?


Bah I called Microsoft directly and after an hour of haggling with them
finally got them to send me a replacement disk. $50.40 ($25.00 was to have it
shipped 1-3 days instead of the 10 day shipping method).

Now just have to wait for the disk to get here.

There is no other way to have the Boot manager written to the J: drive
without the windows installation disk?

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Old October 14th 08, 01:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
SIW2
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Default Moving boot files from one drive to another.


david manvell;860254 Wrote:

Hi,

MS provide replacement media for about $10 - you will need your

product
key though

'Windows Vista Alternate Media'
('Windows Vista Alternate Media'

(http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist.../default.mspx))

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/85...ey-number.html

Hope that helps

SIW2


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SIW2
"We're sorry, the following error(s) have occurred:

The Product Key you have entered is invalid. Please try again."

Any suggestions?


Hi,

That's odd - if you used the product that you installed Vista with -
they clearly say you can do it if you bought a retail dvd i.e. separate
from your pc ( it doesn't work for the pre -nstalled oem laptops with
prod key stickered on the side ). I have heard of people having to try
it a few times, though.

The alternative is to download a free recovery disk image and burn it
to cd . I believe it gives the same startup repair options as the MS
dvd. (When you find your MS dvd , use isorecorder to make a bootable
back-up copy)

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/14...very-disc.html

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/91...up-repair.html

'ISO Recorder v3' (http://alexfeinman.brinkster.net/Vista.htm)

Your XP disk won't be able to do this.


Hope that helps

SIW2


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