On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:46:01 -0800, Brian Kitt
wrote:

Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints.

You need to get out of the house more. There are millions of happy
users who never have a problem.

Must be differences in hardware, hmmm?

And of course, the difference in users.

In message Brian
Kitt was claimed to have wrote:

I have seen a LOT of people reporting the same issues I am seeing with Vista,
on other machines, so that makes me think it is Vista, and not Toshiba
specifically.

And yet, you'd be wrong. It's not *just* Toshiba, Sony and Dell are
equally guilty.

Contact Toshiba and see if they can supply you with an actual Vista
installation DVD, not a recovery disk, and if so, install Vista from
there, install only the drivers needed from Toshiba's website and not
any of the other crap that Toshiba distributes.

I've got a Toshiba here and it runs Vista Business x86 beautifully after
having reinstalled Vista from clean media.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=383 and
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=399 cover Sony's issues.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:53:57 -0800, DevilsPGD
wrote:

I've got a Toshiba here and it runs Vista Business x86 beautifully after
having reinstalled Vista from clean media.

My Toshiba is fine with only cleaning out the pre-installed crap.

Don

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/

Interesting program to look at.
--
Mad Mike


"Brian Kitt" wrote:

I don't know. I am running latest drivers from Toshiba, and all patches from
Microsoft. I have no special (non Microsoft) software installed on this
machine, it is a coding machine, and I install as little as possible to
reduce overhead.

"Kayman" wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:49:00 -0800, Brian Kitt wrote:

I have been a developer since early 80's. I've been disappointed, and
re-disappointed year after year at the lower and lower quality of crap that
Microsoft pushes on us. But Vista absolutely takes the cake. I've been
running it for a year, and still get frustrated every single day about what a
total worthless pile of crap this is. Why can't Microsoft stop spening money
trying to convince people this piece of trash is good, and spend some money
trying to do R&D and fix this. I'm sick and tired of constant crashes,
lockups, and hanging. This is the most worthless piece of software Microsoft
has ever developed.

Drivers, drivers, drivers, drivers... :-)

Mark Russinovich talks Vista performance
http://blogs.technet.com/deploymentg...rformance.aspx
https://ms.istreamplanet.com/SPRINGBOARD/portal.asp

Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

What problems? Be specific. Don't just rant.

Here's the bottom line: Vista itself is stable - it doesn't crash or freeze.

If your (or anyone else's) machine is crashing or freezing it is due to:

1/ dodgy hardware (overclocked, overheating, overloaded, out-of-spec,
failing, etc), or

2/ dodgy 3rd party drivers (and there are plenty of those around)

BOTH of those will render XP, Linux, MacOSX and all the others unstable,
too. Not just Vista.

Finally, remember that various applications are prone to crashing -
especially those that were released before Vista and haven't been updated to
Vista-compatible. But that, of course, is not the fault of Vista.

So come on, mate, put your money where your mouth is. Show us the
"problems" and we'll get to the bottom of whether they are due to Vista, or
due to something else.

If you won't do that, then you're wasting everyone's time.

SteveT

"Brian Kitt" wrote in message
...
Oh, I'm on a Toshiba x205-s7483 Intel Core Duo 1.66ghz with 4Gig Ram.
This
computer is one of the most powerful laptops on the market, and Vista
absolutely degrades it to a relic of the 60's.


I have PERFECTLY adequate performance on my Toshiba Duo Core with 2GB RAM.

Maybe you are installing a load of crap ontop of a perfectly good OS?

Tell the millions of people who run Vista without any of the problems you
are experiencing that Vista is crap. They would likely disagree with you -
as I do.

Is it perfect - not by a long shot!

Is it serviceable? Absolutely!

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Brian Kitt" wrote in message
...
Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

"Steve Thackery" wrote:

I have been a developer since early 80's.

You know, that really worries me. It's obvious to everybody, and SHOULD
be
obvious to you, that Vista would never have escaped into the wild with
such
fundamental problems as you describe. There's something wrong with your
particular machine.

My guess would by crap hardware, or crap drivers.

It worries me that someone who claims to be a developer since the early
80s
is so incapable of working that out for himself.

Are you incompetent, or just a dinosaur?

SteveT

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:37:01 -0800, Mick Murphy
wrote:

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/

Interesting program to look at.

The guy has hardware problems and doesn't believe it.

"Brian Kitt" wrote in message
...
Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

"Steve Thackery" wrote:


My only complaint so far is that Outlook Express Junk mail folder is so
dumbed down it can't be taught what is not junk and what IS junk. I don't
know why they released it that way unless they want to have a full
functioning Outlook Express junk mail filter in the next version.

Other issues have been corrected such as removing the Hibernate file when
the system is cleaned. But maybe that was a problem with MS One Care.

I like my HP Pavilion DV with Vista Home Premium. Hardware works just fine.

@nna

"Brian Kitt" wrote in message
...
Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

"Steve Thackery" wrote:


Vista would be a night mare if you put it over a piece of hardware not
designed for Vista. Only a new machine with specific hardware and approved
drivers should be used. Some computer makers try to recycle old hardware
with a new operating system and call it a new machine. It has been long
enough now there should be proper drivers for old hardware. If you have the
time, look at the production date of your hardware in the Toshiba. I bet it
was retooled for Vista and released just about the same time Vista was
coming out.

Did you get it on a brand new Toshiba? Or did you pieces part a machine
with your old hardware you don't want to part with? Not saying it is your
fault, but Vista is an animal that is very specific in what is will run.
[Yes that does not make MS friends with a lot of users] It had a bad
reputation with techies when it leaked out about the hardware dumbing down
it will do. It is NOT as flexible as 2000, or even XP. That is my
complaint. I don't do techy stuff with my Vista machine. It is only for
production, web pages, email and communiction and surfing the Internet.

--
@nna