I have no doubt that some developers are unhappy with Vista, just as they
have been unhappy with virtually every windows release for one reason or
another.
Part of the problem has been incomplete, inaccurate, and dated development
documentation from MS.
A classic type of problem is not documenting command or "call" parms and
return data properly and completely.



"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Brian Kitt wrote:
I have been a developer since early 80's. I've been disappointed, and
re-disappointed year after year at the lower and lower quality of crap
that Microsoft pushes on us. But Vista absolutely takes the cake. I've
been running it for a year, and still get frustrated every single day
about what a total worthless pile of crap this is. Why can't Microsoft
stop spening money trying to convince people this piece of trash is good,
and spend some money trying to do R&D and fix this. I'm sick and tired
of constant crashes, lockups, and hanging. This is the most worthless
piece of software Microsoft has ever developed.


Do you have any specific problem(s) with which you need help, or are
you just venting?

What very little detail you included points towards an issue of
incompatible/sub-standard/defective hardware, or device drivers,
incompatible software, and defective/sub-standard wetware.


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Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
suggestions now.
Thanx

"Steve Thackery" wrote:

Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

What problems? Be specific. Don't just rant.

Here's the bottom line: Vista itself is stable - it doesn't crash or freeze.

If your (or anyone else's) machine is crashing or freezing it is due to:

1/ dodgy hardware (overclocked, overheating, overloaded, out-of-spec,
failing, etc), or

2/ dodgy 3rd party drivers (and there are plenty of those around)

BOTH of those will render XP, Linux, MacOSX and all the others unstable,
too. Not just Vista.

Finally, remember that various applications are prone to crashing -
especially those that were released before Vista and haven't been updated to
Vista-compatible. But that, of course, is not the fault of Vista.

So come on, mate, put your money where your mouth is. Show us the
"problems" and we'll get to the bottom of whether they are due to Vista, or
due to something else.

If you won't do that, then you're wasting everyone's time.

SteveT

If you want help you should make a new post and not hijack someone else's.
After a few days it is unlikely that many will return to this thread. You
will go unnoticed.


--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Steve R" Steve wrote in message
...
Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
suggestions now.
Thanx

"Steve Thackery" wrote:

Steve, that is my point in frustration. There are so many problems in
Vista,
I can't believe it was released. I see the same frustrations and
problems
I
have on other forums, and co-works. Everyone I talk to has the same
complaints. It's not me dude, it's the software.

What problems? Be specific. Don't just rant.

Here's the bottom line: Vista itself is stable - it doesn't crash or
freeze.

If your (or anyone else's) machine is crashing or freezing it is due to:

1/ dodgy hardware (overclocked, overheating, overloaded, out-of-spec,
failing, etc), or

2/ dodgy 3rd party drivers (and there are plenty of those around)

BOTH of those will render XP, Linux, MacOSX and all the others unstable,
too. Not just Vista.

Finally, remember that various applications are prone to crashing -
especially those that were released before Vista and haven't been updated
to
Vista-compatible. But that, of course, is not the fault of Vista.

So come on, mate, put your money where your mouth is. Show us the
"problems" and we'll get to the bottom of whether they are due to Vista,
or
due to something else.

If you won't do that, then you're wasting everyone's time.

SteveT

Steve R wrote:
Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
suggestions now.


Well, you've a new laptop with problems. Let's see now, what would you
do if you bought a new car and it wouldn't run properly? What would you
do with a new TV that only received local broadcast stations? Would you
even have to ask? Wouldn't you take it back to where you got it and
demand a working product? Why would you think it'd be any different
with a computer?


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't had
a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too early -
now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put it, ' a
worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its problems and those
are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2 when that is released.

I also have to say that having used Windows 7 (pre-beta) on a daily basis
this to hasn't even crashed for me and, let's be honest, one expects
pre-beta and beta software to do just that - crash.

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"Brian Kitt" wrote in message
...
I have been a developer since early 80's. I've been disappointed, and
re-disappointed year after year at the lower and lower quality of crap
that
Microsoft pushes on us. But Vista absolutely takes the cake. I've been
running it for a year, and still get frustrated every single day about
what a
total worthless pile of crap this is. Why can't Microsoft stop spening
money
trying to convince people this piece of trash is good, and spend some
money
trying to do R&D and fix this. I'm sick and tired of constant crashes,
lockups, and hanging. This is the most worthless piece of software
Microsoft
has ever developed.

John Barnett MVP wrote:
I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't
had a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too
early - now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put
it, ' a worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its
problems and those are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2
when that is released.

I also have to say that having used Windows 7 (pre-beta) on a daily
basis this to hasn't even crashed for me and, let's be honest, one
expects pre-beta and beta software to do just that - crash.


I'm with you John. I've been computing since Win 3.11 and Vista home
premium is the most solid I have ever used. I quit XP because of the
crashes. With Vista, 21 months and not a single crash. I remember maybe
3 times I experienced a non-responsive program that had to be closed and
re-opened. I think the problem lies with the individual computer makers
since there are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
these forums. HP is one. Toshiba is read almost every day.

--
Dave T.


You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. - Hirohito,
Emporer of Japan

I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo.

Don't take any suggestions but this: TAKE IT BACK! Get it mended, or your
money back.

It isn't Vista that's a P.O.S., it's the manufacturer of your laptop.

SteveT

THAT IS the ONLY response that matters

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
...
I found my way here because my new laptop is
constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
load a photo.

Don't take any suggestions but this: TAKE IT BACK! Get it mended, or
your
money back.

It isn't Vista that's a P.O.S., it's the manufacturer of your laptop.

SteveT

In message DonQ
was claimed to have wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:53:57 -0800, DevilsPGD
wrote:

I've got a Toshiba here and it runs Vista Business x86 beautifully after
having reinstalled Vista from clean media.

My Toshiba is fine with only cleaning out the pre-installed crap.

Some are, some aren't -- Some of the pre-installed crap doesn't clean
nicely, especially with regards to some of their earlier attempts to
install drivers.

Flattening and starting over takes so much less time then manually
removing what you don't want and then upgrading drivers that I've never
spent much time trying to clean.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:04:49 -0800, DevilsPGD
wrote:

In message DonQ
was claimed to have wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:53:57 -0800, DevilsPGD
wrote:

I've got a Toshiba here and it runs Vista Business x86 beautifully after
having reinstalled Vista from clean media.

My Toshiba is fine with only cleaning out the pre-installed crap.

Some are, some aren't -- Some of the pre-installed crap doesn't clean
nicely, especially with regards to some of their earlier attempts to
install drivers.

Flattening and starting over takes so much less time then manually
removing what you don't want and then upgrading drivers that I've never
spent much time trying to clean.

Flattening and starting over is only possible when one has an
installation disc that isn't a recovery disc. That's a situation that
is becoming more and more rare.

Don