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Admin user vs. Standard user
::-Microsoft recommends everyone setup and use a Standard user account to enhance protection.... -::"The 'standard account' (http://tinyurl.com/7bcng3) can help protect your computer by preventing users from making changes that affect everyone who uses the computer. We recommend creating a standard account for each user".::- Q: ON A COMPUTER WITH ONE AND ONLY ONE USER. DOES THE STANDARD ACCOUNT OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION BEYOND ~ PROTECTING ME FROM MYSELF~ DOES A ONE USER COMPUTER HAVE ANY MORE PROTECTION AND SECURITY USING A CREATED STANDARD USER ACCOUNT VS. USING THE DEFAULT ADMIN USER ACCOUNT RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BJM ::- -- bjm Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
bjm wrote:
::-Microsoft recommends everyone setup and use a Standard user account to enhance protection.... -::"The 'standard account' (http://tinyurl.com/7bcng3) can help protect your computer by preventing users from making changes that affect everyone who uses the computer. We recommend creating a standard account for each user".::- Q: ON A COMPUTER WITH ONE AND ONLY ONE USER. DOES THE STANDARD ACCOUNT OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION BEYOND ~ PROTECTING ME FROM MYSELF~ DOES A ONE USER COMPUTER HAVE ANY MORE PROTECTION AND SECURITY USING A CREATED STANDARD USER ACCOUNT VS. USING THE DEFAULT ADMIN USER ACCOUNT RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BJM ::- Routinely using a computer with administrative privileges is not without some risk. You will be much more susceptible to some types of malware, particularly adware and spyware. While using a computer with limited privileges isn't the cure-all, silver bullet that some claim it to be, any experienced IT professional will verify that doing so definitely reduces that amount of damage and depth of penetration by the malware. If you do happen to get infected/infested while running as an administrator, the odds are much greater that any malware will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove with formating the hard drive and starting anew. The intruding malware will have had the same (administrative) privileges to all of the files on your hard drive that you do. A technically competent user who is aware of the risks and knows how to take proper precautions can usually safely operate with administrative privileges; I do so myself. But I certainly don't recommend it for the average computer user. Further, the built-in Administrator account was never intended to be used for day-to-day normal use. The standard security practice is to rename the account, set a strong password on it, and use it only to create another account for regular use, reserving the Administrator account as a "back door" in case something corrupts your regular account(s). Also, please unstick your CapsLock key. Posting in all caps, as you have done, is the Usenet equivalent of shouting, and is considered very rude by a large number of people. More importantly, posting in all caps makes the post harder to read, further reducing your chances of getting help; a great many people won't even try to read such a message. If you really want help, simply comply with the dictates of common courtesy and the conventions of the venue. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
Mr. Chambers, thank you for your time and interest in my issue... Also, please unstick your CapsLock key. Posting in all caps, as you have done, is the Usenet equivalent of shouting, and is considered very rude by a large number of people. More importantly, posting in all caps makes the post harder to read, further reducing your chances of getting help; a great many people won't even try to read such a message. If you really want help, simply comply with the dictates of common courtesy and the conventions of the venue. -Please view my original post. I was not shouting. Somehow in your reply/quote process part of my original post went all caps. My original post was not caps. I may be new to this Forum but I am aware of Forum protocol. Respectfully submitted bjm- -- bjm Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
Mr. Chambers, Please permit me to continue our dialog Admin vs. Standard. I thought with the Vista OS (which has a hidden system Admin account) that the user default Admin account and the user created Standard account are both LUA (Limited User Account/Access) accounts. I thought the only difference under the hood between the two is that user Admin allowed click through for UAC prompts and user Standard required password for UAC prompts. Please comment (no part of this post was typed shouting) Respectfully submitted bjm -- bjm Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
"Christopher R. Lee" wrote in message
... I don't suppose I'm the only user who regularly downloads executables. It's a real pain if you have to change username every time. Why do you "have to change username" to download executables? I download executables all the time in my standard user account... Anyway, even an administrator account doesn't let you do normal things like changing file/directory attributes. Of course it does - why do you think it doesn't? Finally, Windows obsessively directs users to individual user storage areas, making the data (theoretically) inacessible when you change username. Not at all - run Windows Explorer as Administrator. Worse, since user storage area names aren't the names of real directories, Eh? Where did you get that lot of rubbish from? How is C:\Users\{My account name}\Documents\ not a "real" directory? backup is difficult, No it's not - explain. and you are likely to lose all your data if and when you change computers or get rid of this OS. I've NEVER lost data when changing from one OS to another. -- Asking a question? Please tell us the version of the application you are asking about, your OS, Service Pack level and the FULL contents of any error message(s) |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:16:03 -0000, "Gordon"
wrote: "Christopher R. Lee" wrote in message ... I don't suppose I'm the only user who regularly downloads executables. It's a real pain if you have to change username every time. Why do you "have to change username" to download executables? I download executables all the time in my standard user account... I suppose he might have meant downloading and installing programs, which usually requires admin rights. A regular admin account when UAC is enabled will have two security tokens - one used normally, and without the rights to access sensitive areas, and one used (after the UAC prompt has been clicked through) for admin tasks. A standard account only has one security token and so when you try to install an application to a sensitive area, will prompt for the credentials of an administrative account. Finally, Windows obsessively directs users to individual user storage areas, making the data (theoretically) inacessible when you change username. Not at all - run Windows Explorer as Administrator. Indeed - the built in security can be turned off. Rather foolish IMO, but it can be done. Worse, since user storage area names aren't the names of real directories, Eh? Where did you get that lot of rubbish from? How is C:\Users\{My account name}\Documents\ not a "real" directory? He didn't say it wasn't. He said the user storage area names aren't the names of real directories. By default, a user will have a folder called c:\users\username\documents... ...but try this - create an account, a regular one, just for testing. Then create a folder somewhere on the PC and call it "NotDocuments", e.g. d:\NotDocuments. Log in using the new account, right click on Documents on the start menu, choose properties, and on the location tab, use the move option to change the directory to d:\NotDocuments. Now, you still have the "Documents" user storage area which appears in various places in explorer, but if you use cmd.exe you can see that the real name of the folder is still d:\NotDocuments. backup is difficult, No it's not - explain. and you are likely to lose all your data if and when you change computers or get rid of this OS. I've NEVER lost data when changing from one OS to another. Copy a file containing multiple streams from an NTFS partition to a Ext3 one. Does it still have multiple streams? -- http://www.sgat-computing-services.co.uk/ |
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Admin user vs. Standard user
To: Steve Thackery this is copy/paste of my original post ::-Q: ON A COMPUTER WITH ONE AND ONLY ONE USER. DOES THE STANDARD ACCOUNT OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION BEYOND ~ PROTECTING ME FROM MYSELF~ DOES A ONE USER COMPUTER HAVE ANY MORE PROTECTION AND SECURITY USING A CREATED STANDARD USER ACCOUNT VS. USING THE DEFAULT ADMIN USER ACCOUNT RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BJM I DID NOT TYPE IT CAPS AND AS I'M VIEWING IT NOW IT'S NOT CAPS. ::- -- bjm Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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from a kibitzer:
the quote is in CAPS for me. (reading in Window Live Mail, newsreader part). the sentence: this is a copy/paste of my original post is in lower case viewing the message source show the same thing Michael "bjm" wrote in message ... To: Steve Thackery this is copy/paste of my original post ::-Q: ON A COMPUTER WITH ONE AND ONLY ONE USER. DOES THE STANDARD ACCOUNT OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION BEYOND ~ PROTECTING ME FROM MYSELF~ DOES A ONE USER COMPUTER HAVE ANY MORE PROTECTION AND SECURITY USING A CREATED STANDARD USER ACCOUNT VS. USING THE DEFAULT ADMIN USER ACCOUNT RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED BJM I DID NOT TYPE IT CAPS AND AS I'M VIEWING IT NOW IT'S NOT CAPS. ::- -- bjm Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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