We recently had a need to replace a hard disk. Our original files were all
backed up with Windows Vista Backup. The backup process produced no errors
and appeared to complete successfully. However, when we restored the
backup to the new hard drive, we found that there were many missing files.
To this point, it appears that the missing files are all .EXE files. In
many cases, all the files were restored to a folder, except for the
executable (.exe). We know that these files existed when the Windows Vista
Backup was performed on the original hard disk. Moreover, we backuped the
same files later using a different program and have confirmed the files were
there.

Is anyone aware of a problem where Windows Vista Backup is either NOT
backing up all the files or is NOT restoring all the files? Furthermore, it
is odd that this seems to have affected only certain files which brings us
to wonder if our security software could have blocked files somehow without
our knowledge. We would sincerely appreciate any help with this issue, it
is a very serious file recovery concern.

My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue print
that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much of
Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need additional
software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely reliable. Even if you
scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you actually need to use it as too
many of us have found after disaster struck. It can be worth creating these
back-ups, because if they actually work when you need them you are
fortunate, but you need a back up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever medium you
prefer and saving your program installation discs and activation keys.

If you want a 'proper' complete system backup, use something like Acronis
TI, you would then be able to restore a complete Image or individual data
I dont believe Vista Backup backs up all files, only a default set of file
types (I've never used any type of MS backup, only a dedicated backup app)

"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
We recently had a need to replace a hard disk. Our original files were
all backed up with Windows Vista Backup. The backup process produced no
errors and appeared to complete successfully. However, when we restored
the backup to the new hard drive, we found that there were many missing
files. To this point, it appears that the missing files are all .EXE
files. In many cases, all the files were restored to a folder, except for
the executable (.exe). We know that these files existed when the Windows
Vista Backup was performed on the original hard disk. Moreover, we
backuped the same files later using a different program and have confirmed
the files were there.

Is anyone aware of a problem where Windows Vista Backup is either NOT
backing up all the files or is NOT restoring all the files? Furthermore,
it is odd that this seems to have affected only certain files which brings
us to wonder if our security software could have blocked files somehow
without our knowledge. We would sincerely appreciate any help with this
issue, it is a very serious file recovery concern.

Thank you, semoi. I had never noticed any such disclaimer. Such a design
is simply insane! Why in the world would you purposely cripple someone's
indispensible backup feature and then hide such an important disclosure in
fine print? In this case, we have lost invaluable drivers and programs (all
legal productive software) that are no longer available on the internet.

Incredible!! How in the world can a company be so incompetent as to
alienate loyal users in this fashion? I agree with your characterization of
Microsoft 100%. We continually end up with nothing but frustration using
Microsoft utilities. A fine example is Remote Assistance, advertised as a
simple, trouble-free way for users to help each other (certainly a worthy
endeavor), yet not once have we ever been able to configure a reliable
connection; regardless of the computer, location, version, configuration, or
technical ability of the installer.

I hope some day we can have the privilege of immortalizing some
clear-thinking individual who eventually brings reliability, flexibility,
and sanity back into the software world.

Thanks,
Richard

*************
"semoi" wrote in message
...
My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue print
that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much of
Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need additional
software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely reliable. Even if you
scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you actually need to use it as
too many of us have found after disaster struck. It can be worth creating
these back-ups, because if they actually work when you need them you are
fortunate, but you need a back up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever medium
you prefer and saving your program installation discs and activation keys.

So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for a
downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an external
drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You have learned that there is more than one type of backup - the difficult
way.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Thank you, semoi. I had never noticed any such disclaimer. Such a design
is simply insane! Why in the world would you purposely cripple someone's
indispensible backup feature and then hide such an important disclosure in
fine print? In this case, we have lost invaluable drivers and programs
(all legal productive software) that are no longer available on the
internet.

Incredible!! How in the world can a company be so incompetent as to
alienate loyal users in this fashion? I agree with your characterization
of Microsoft 100%. We continually end up with nothing but frustration
using Microsoft utilities. A fine example is Remote Assistance,
advertised as a simple, trouble-free way for users to help each other
(certainly a worthy endeavor), yet not once have we ever been able to
configure a reliable connection; regardless of the computer, location,
version, configuration, or technical ability of the installer.

I hope some day we can have the privilege of immortalizing some
clear-thinking individual who eventually brings reliability, flexibility,
and sanity back into the software world.

Thanks,
Richard

*************
"semoi" wrote in message
...
My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue print
that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much of
Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need
additional software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely reliable.
Even if you scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you actually need
to use it as too many of us have found after disaster struck. It can be
worth creating these back-ups, because if they actually work when you
need them you are fortunate, but you need a back up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever medium
you prefer and saving your program installation discs and activation
keys.

Richard Urban wrote:

So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for
a downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an
external drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You make up to four backups of *software* you purchase? Why would you want
to do such an idiotic thing, or is this some sort of hobby? There is no
point in having mutliple backups, when programs tend to be updated
regularly. You only need some sort of list of software you use, and
licensing details backed up.

ss.

Hello Richard,

Before you prejudge, we actually did end up having three separate backups
and some of the programs were burned to DVDs. In this case, we will
probably be able to recover most the lost files. However, our original
complaints still stand:

FIRST, it is INSANE to provide a backup program (Windows Vista Backup) that
unexpectedly provides an incomplete backup and then fails to display a bold
warning dialog clearly stating this limitation before performing the backup.

SECOND, users should not be required to perform 3 or 4 backups for a single
point in time in order to be assured they can recover from a major
malfunction. Such a requirement is time-consuming and expensive for both
individuals and businesses. It is a very sad reflection on the state of
integrity of the art, though we follow this procedure out of necessity.

THIRD, given the unreliable state of the art, as acknowledged above, isn't
it a little unconscionable that Microsoft would undermine the integrity of
the process by crippling the capability of their backup program? Why even
provide one at all?

Thank you for commenting,

Richard

***********
"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for a
downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an external
drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You have learned that there is more than one type of backup - the
difficult way.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Thank you, semoi. I had never noticed any such disclaimer. Such a
design is simply insane! Why in the world would you purposely cripple
someone's indispensible backup feature and then hide such an important
disclosure in fine print? In this case, we have lost invaluable drivers
and programs (all legal productive software) that are no longer available
on the internet.

Incredible!! How in the world can a company be so incompetent as to
alienate loyal users in this fashion? I agree with your characterization
of Microsoft 100%. We continually end up with nothing but frustration
using Microsoft utilities. A fine example is Remote Assistance,
advertised as a simple, trouble-free way for users to help each other
(certainly a worthy endeavor), yet not once have we ever been able to
configure a reliable connection; regardless of the computer, location,
version, configuration, or technical ability of the installer.

I hope some day we can have the privilege of immortalizing some
clear-thinking individual who eventually brings reliability, flexibility,
and sanity back into the software world.

Thanks,
Richard

*************
"semoi" wrote in message
...
My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue print
that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much
of Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need
additional software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely
reliable. Even if you scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you
actually need to use it as too many of us have found after disaster
struck. It can be worth creating these back-ups, because if they
actually work when you need them you are fortunate, but you need a back
up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever medium
you prefer and saving your program installation discs and activation
keys.

Keeping a backup in a proprietary format, such as when you use "any" backup
program - you are bound to use that same backup program again to access the
backup. Many people have run into problems because of this.

One of the major backup programs of a few years ago, Backup Exec, warned
people with the introduction of a new version that their previous backups
would be inaccessible with the new version. They advised their customers to
take precautions. Many didn't and got burned. The traffic in these
newsgroups was quite intense.

Even new versions of Microsoft's backup were not able to handle older
backups, say going from Win 98 to Windows XP (if I remember correctly).

Sometimes a bit for bit backup (without compression), a file copy if you
will, is the most secure type of backup. You never need any ancillary
program to access the files.

As to my multiple backups - I have NEVER been burned. A few major companies
I worked for over the years kept two backups in the building, one in the IT
department and one in a safe. They also kept a copy in a bank vault as well
as one in Iron Mountain. THEY were never burned either.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience



"Synapse Syndrome" wrote in message
...
Richard Urban wrote:

So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for
a downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an
external drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You make up to four backups of *software* you purchase? Why would you
want to do such an idiotic thing, or is this some sort of hobby? There is
no point in having mutliple backups, when programs tend to be updated
regularly. You only need some sort of list of software you use, and
licensing details backed up.

ss.


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Microsoft backup programs (in MY opinion) have never been robust. Same for
their system restore. I know that there are some (Microsoft employees??)
that do not want to hear this but "it is what it is".

I have been using 3rd party backup and imaging programs since the days of
DOS and have little problems with them. I have never had much faith, or
success, using any supplied backup program that was included with an
operating system.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Hello Richard,

Before you prejudge, we actually did end up having three separate backups
and some of the programs were burned to DVDs. In this case, we will
probably be able to recover most the lost files. However, our original
complaints still stand:

FIRST, it is INSANE to provide a backup program (Windows Vista Backup)
that unexpectedly provides an incomplete backup and then fails to display
a bold warning dialog clearly stating this limitation before performing
the backup.

SECOND, users should not be required to perform 3 or 4 backups for a
single point in time in order to be assured they can recover from a major
malfunction. Such a requirement is time-consuming and expensive for both
individuals and businesses. It is a very sad reflection on the state of
integrity of the art, though we follow this procedure out of necessity.

THIRD, given the unreliable state of the art, as acknowledged above, isn't
it a little unconscionable that Microsoft would undermine the integrity of
the process by crippling the capability of their backup program? Why even
provide one at all?

Thank you for commenting,

Richard

***********
"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for
a downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an external
drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You have learned that there is more than one type of backup - the
difficult way.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Thank you, semoi. I had never noticed any such disclaimer. Such a
design is simply insane! Why in the world would you purposely cripple
someone's indispensible backup feature and then hide such an important
disclosure in fine print? In this case, we have lost invaluable drivers
and programs (all legal productive software) that are no longer
available on the internet.

Incredible!! How in the world can a company be so incompetent as to
alienate loyal users in this fashion? I agree with your
characterization of Microsoft 100%. We continually end up with nothing
but frustration using Microsoft utilities. A fine example is Remote
Assistance, advertised as a simple, trouble-free way for users to help
each other (certainly a worthy endeavor), yet not once have we ever been
able to configure a reliable connection; regardless of the computer,
location, version, configuration, or technical ability of the installer.

I hope some day we can have the privilege of immortalizing some
clear-thinking individual who eventually brings reliability,
flexibility, and sanity back into the software world.

Thanks,
Richard

*************
"semoi" wrote in message
...
My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue
print that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much
of Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need
additional software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely
reliable. Even if you scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you
actually need to use it as too many of us have found after disaster
struck. It can be worth creating these back-ups, because if they
actually work when you need them you are fortunate, but you need a back
up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever
medium you prefer and saving your program installation discs and
activation keys.

Thank you for the observations, Richard. We also relied on 3rd party
solutions, but made the mistake of thinking that the Vista Backup product
was capable of meeting our current needs. Like you, I guess we are back to
a 3rd party solution, but with a sour taste in our mouth for Microsoft.

Interestingly, we simply used the DOS or Windows 'copy' feature to archive
files for many years. It worked very well and we would probably still use
it on certain occasions except for a continuing problem. The Microsoft
'Copy' routine 'Aborts' when it cannot copy a file rather than giving you a
'Skip' or 'Skip All' option so that it could complete the copy operation.

For all the great technology that comes out of Microsoft, we are sometimes
mystified by the bumbling incompetence found in the simplest details.

Thanks,
Richard

********************
"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
Microsoft backup programs (in MY opinion) have never been robust. Same for
their system restore. I know that there are some (Microsoft employees??)
that do not want to hear this but "it is what it is".

I have been using 3rd party backup and imaging programs since the days of
DOS and have little problems with them. I have never had much faith, or
success, using any supplied backup program that was included with an
operating system.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Hello Richard,

Before you prejudge, we actually did end up having three separate backups
and some of the programs were burned to DVDs. In this case, we will
probably be able to recover most the lost files. However, our original
complaints still stand:

FIRST, it is INSANE to provide a backup program (Windows Vista Backup)
that unexpectedly provides an incomplete backup and then fails to display
a bold warning dialog clearly stating this limitation before performing
the backup.

SECOND, users should not be required to perform 3 or 4 backups for a
single point in time in order to be assured they can recover from a major
malfunction. Such a requirement is time-consuming and expensive for both
individuals and businesses. It is a very sad reflection on the state of
integrity of the art, though we follow this procedure out of necessity.

THIRD, given the unreliable state of the art, as acknowledged above,
isn't it a little unconscionable that Microsoft would undermine the
integrity of the process by crippling the capability of their backup
program? Why even provide one at all?

Thank you for commenting,

Richard

***********
"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...
So, you don't have off site backups that you created earlier? I can't
believe that you keep purchased software in only one place. If I pay for
a downloaded program I have it burned to at least 2 CD/DVD's, an
external drive, maybe a different drive on the computer etc.

You have learned that there is more than one type of backup - the
difficult way.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Blue Max" wrote in message
...
Thank you, semoi. I had never noticed any such disclaimer. Such a
design is simply insane! Why in the world would you purposely cripple
someone's indispensible backup feature and then hide such an important
disclosure in fine print? In this case, we have lost invaluable
drivers and programs (all legal productive software) that are no longer
available on the internet.

Incredible!! How in the world can a company be so incompetent as to
alienate loyal users in this fashion? I agree with your
characterization of Microsoft 100%. We continually end up with nothing
but frustration using Microsoft utilities. A fine example is Remote
Assistance, advertised as a simple, trouble-free way for users to help
each other (certainly a worthy endeavor), yet not once have we ever
been able to configure a reliable connection; regardless of the
computer, location, version, configuration, or technical ability of the
installer.

I hope some day we can have the privilege of immortalizing some
clear-thinking individual who eventually brings reliability,
flexibility, and sanity back into the software world.

Thanks,
Richard

*************
"semoi" wrote in message
...
My copy of Vista Home Premium clearly states in the tiny fine blue
print that executables are not backed up.
Your version may be different.
I see the Vista backup program as utterly useless bloatware, like much
of Vista (as well as other Microsoft and Apple OSes).
If you want a complete back-up of your hard drive you will need
additional software. Alas such back-up software is not entirely
reliable. Even if you scan/verify your back-up it may fail when you
actually need to use it as too many of us have found after disaster
struck. It can be worth creating these back-ups, because if they
actually work when you need them you are fortunate, but you need a
back up for your back up:
The safest back-up schemes involve copying data files to whatever
medium you prefer and saving your program installation discs and
activation keys.