Curious wrote:
Win7 Beta runs fine on my over 2 year HP laptop with 1GB of Ram.
What is the native resolution of the screen on you old Dell laptop?
What happens when you try and increase the resolution?
I believe you can order a set of VISTA installation CDs from MS for a
minimal price provided you have a valid Vista retail product key.


I never investigated further. The no sound and no internet was enough to
turn me off. I already have Vista running successfully on my new Compaq
laptop with sound and internet and Aero graphics. As I mentioned, the
Dell is five years old.

I also tried installing Ubuntu on the machine. Got a completely black
screen. Gave up there, too.

Bill

If you want vista for testing, why not create a Microsoft Virtual PC (free
of charge) on your modern pc. You can download it from Microsoft. After each
test, you just close the virtual pc, and things are back to the way they
were like you have not installed anything.

good luck
Morteza

"Ant" wrote in message
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On 4/8/2009 10:07 PM PT, Gary M typed:

If your old computer already has a Windows operating system installed
then you should be able to run the setup from within the running Windows.
Just copy the files from the disk (via your network as you mentioned)
onto your internal hard drive, or a usb memory key if you have a large
enough one and run the setup from there.

Doesn't that only do an upgrade over the OS? I remember Vista over XP only
did upgrade and not a clean install.
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I actually do that with VMware, but I prefer a real machine to test on
as well.


On 4/9/2009 1:53 PM PT, Safai wrote:

If you want vista for testing, why not create a Microsoft Virtual PC (free
of charge) on your modern pc. You can download it from Microsoft. After
each
test, you just close the virtual pc, and things are back to the way they
were like you have not installed anything.
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Ant--

No. You can do a full install from your Windows boot by running the setup
there. You determine whether you are going to do an upgrade by choosing
upgrade or not, and for example if you boot from your current Windows, you
get to choose the partition you are going to install the Vista or Windows 7
on, and if there is enough room, you simply install it onto that partition
running setup from your existing Windows boot.

CH

"Ant" wrote in message
...
On 4/8/2009 10:07 PM PT, Gary M typed:

If your old computer already has a Windows operating system installed
then you should be able to run the setup from within the running Windows.
Just copy the files from the disk (via your network as you mentioned)
onto your internal hard drive, or a usb memory key if you have a large
enough one and run the setup from there.

Doesn't that only do an upgrade over the OS? I remember Vista over XP only
did upgrade and not a clean install.
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Ant--

This is what you see. If you choose a custom install, the link at the top,
you get a screen listing all your partitions and you can choose to do a
clean install on any partition you like. The link above is for upgrading.
You can upgrade from build to build or you can upgrade from OS to OS
provided the path is one that is a legitimate upgrade path allowed by MSFT.

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/s..._clean_016.jpg

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/vho1101a.png

CH

"Ant" wrote in message
...
On 4/8/2009 10:07 PM PT, Gary M typed:

If your old computer already has a Windows operating system installed
then you should be able to run the setup from within the running Windows.
Just copy the files from the disk (via your network as you mentioned)
onto your internal hard drive, or a usb memory key if you have a large
enough one and run the setup from there.

Doesn't that only do an upgrade over the OS? I remember Vista over XP only
did upgrade and not a clean install.
--
"The ants are back Ted!" --Dougal from Father Ted TV show.
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT
( ) or
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.

This reminds me of the Mohave project.

So you confess that you are one of the idiots that fell for that vista
promoting propaganda crap?

I mean how dumb can you be man?

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While Senator Hinojosa's problems were not specified, many of the problems
he referred to could be easily solved if the crackers in Texas got some
help from people who know what they're doing from the MSFT campus or from
somewhere in Austin.

This falls in the broad category of what I call Vista paranoia without
actually testing and using Vista. This whole scheme of "a lot of
problems" touted predominantly by people who don't have a minimal amount
of computer skill was very unfortunate. Part of it was propelled by 3rd
party driver and hdw manufacturers dragging their feet on drivers,
predomininatly 64 bit drivers too long after Vista RTM'd in 2007.

Another force is that since there has been about half the time between
Vista's RTM and the iminent release of Windows 7, with its release of RC1
to the public a short time away given the CPU efficiency and stability of
the Beta of Windows 7, many people, governments and medium/large
enterprises included are now electing to wait for the RTM of Windows 7.

I help a number of "friends"/and aquaintances with their boxes who have
dissed Vista without really trying it, only to find that every one of
their problems were solvable in minutes and the problems were with them
not Vista or MSFT.

This reminds me of the Mohave project.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mojave-experiment/

CH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..

Microsoft claims their crap OS can run on a 800 mhz computer with 512 mb
ram!

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...8250/specs.htm

Microprocessor type
Intel® Pentium® 4 microprocessor that runs at 2.0 GHz internally and 400
MHz
externally; or 2.26, 2.4, 2.53, 2.66, 2.8, or 3.06 GHz internally and 533
MHz externally

Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..

WRONG! Vista is a waste of time and money!

http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-a...adds-anti-vist

Texas has added a rider to its state budget requiring written
authorization
before buying Windows Vista.

In Texas, apparently, the state government doesn't like Windows Vista. In
fact they dislike it so much that a State Senator has added a rider to
the
state budget that would require any state body, with the exception of
schools, to have written authorization before buying Vista.

The rider, proposed by Juan Hinojosa, was adopted without objection, and
the
budget is expected to be passed this week.

Senator Hinojosa told the San Antonio News:

"We have a lot of problems with the Vista program."

"It had a lot of bugs. It takes up a lot of memory. It's not compatible
with
other equipment, and it's supposed to be an upgrade from the XP program
that
is being used by state agencies, and it's not."

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"Ant" wrote in message
...
Hello.

I have an old Dell Dimension 8250 test PC that I would like to install
Vista onto. However, it has no DVD drives. I cannot even boot from
external USB drives (3.5" disk drive, external HDDs, and DVD burner
drive -- CMOS doesn't see them and found out PC doesn't support
bootable
USB devices).

However, I do have enough HDD space (30 GB free on second partition) to
copy Vista DVD (or make an ISO file) onto it through network (will take
a
while).

Thank you in advance.
--
"Ants can lift up to 50 times their own weight. And your monitor is
missing. Time to bring out the bugspray." --BBspot's Geek Horoscopes
(2/28/2003)
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| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
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( ) or
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.


Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

I confess I Beta tested Vista and used it for production boxes back in 7/05.
Never had a significant problem with it, although they could have improved
upon it and most enterprises and Gartner are now in favor of adopting Win 7
without waiting for a Service Pack. I'm past Vista. I've used Win 7 as
Production since December--and every build gets better. I'm here to help
people with whatever flavor of Windows they have "period."

I have way too much to do to waste time in a ****ing contest with the AA's
of the world. You waste a lot of time with non-specific criticisms of any
Windows OS. I'd use it playing with Linux if you don't like Windows or you
can buy a Mac and use OS X+.

CH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
This reminds me of the Mohave project.

So you confess that you are one of the idiots that fell for that vista
promoting propaganda crap?

I mean how dumb can you be man?

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While Senator Hinojosa's problems were not specified, many of the
problems he referred to could be easily solved if the crackers in Texas
got some help from people who know what they're doing from the MSFT
campus or from somewhere in Austin.

This falls in the broad category of what I call Vista paranoia without
actually testing and using Vista. This whole scheme of "a lot of
problems" touted predominantly by people who don't have a minimal amount
of computer skill was very unfortunate. Part of it was propelled by 3rd
party driver and hdw manufacturers dragging their feet on drivers,
predomininatly 64 bit drivers too long after Vista RTM'd in 2007.

Another force is that since there has been about half the time between
Vista's RTM and the iminent release of Windows 7, with its release of
RC1 to the public a short time away given the CPU efficiency and
stability of the Beta of Windows 7, many people, governments and
medium/large enterprises included are now electing to wait for the RTM of
Windows 7.

I help a number of "friends"/and aquaintances with their boxes who have
dissed Vista without really trying it, only to find that every one of
their problems were solvable in minutes and the problems were with them
not Vista or MSFT.

This reminds me of the Mohave project.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mojave-experiment/

CH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..

Microsoft claims their crap OS can run on a 800 mhz computer with 512 mb
ram!

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...8250/specs.htm

Microprocessor type
Intel® Pentium® 4 microprocessor that runs at 2.0 GHz internally and 400
MHz
externally; or 2.26, 2.4, 2.53, 2.66, 2.8, or 3.06 GHz internally and
533
MHz externally

Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..

WRONG! Vista is a waste of time and money!

http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-a...adds-anti-vist

Texas has added a rider to its state budget requiring written
authorization
before buying Windows Vista.

In Texas, apparently, the state government doesn't like Windows Vista.
In
fact they dislike it so much that a State Senator has added a rider to
the
state budget that would require any state body, with the exception of
schools, to have written authorization before buying Vista.

The rider, proposed by Juan Hinojosa, was adopted without objection, and
the
budget is expected to be passed this week.

Senator Hinojosa told the San Antonio News:

"We have a lot of problems with the Vista program."

"It had a lot of bugs. It takes up a lot of memory. It's not compatible
with
other equipment, and it's supposed to be an upgrade from the XP program
that
is being used by state agencies, and it's not."

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
"Ant" wrote in message
...
Hello.

I have an old Dell Dimension 8250 test PC that I would like to install
Vista onto. However, it has no DVD drives. I cannot even boot from
external USB drives (3.5" disk drive, external HDDs, and DVD burner
drive -- CMOS doesn't see them and found out PC doesn't support
bootable
USB devices).

However, I do have enough HDD space (30 GB free on second partition)
to
copy Vista DVD (or make an ISO file) onto it through network (will
take a
while).

Thank you in advance.
--
"Ants can lift up to 50 times their own weight. And your monitor is
missing. Time to bring out the bugspray." --BBspot's Geek Horoscopes
(2/28/2003)
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web
Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL):
http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address:
NT
( ) or

Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.


Vista needs a modern, well specified system. What you are planning is a
waste of time and money..


--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Adam Albright wrote:

---deleted aa's stupid diatribe---

You're a fat little PIG, PIG!

I found a way to do this, buit it is not really a clean install. I
copied Windows Vista files to another drive (e.g., USB HDD) in Windows
XP. I ran its setup.exe.

It gave me two choices: Upgrade or custom. I didn't want to upgrade so
I picked custom but there is no clean install from scratch. It would
only rename and move my old Windows folder and files. I do not want to
do this. I was to format/erase C: drive and install Vista.

I also see this behavior in Windows 7 beta builds.


I have an old Dell Dimension 8250 test PC that I would like to install
Vista onto. However, it has no DVD drives. I cannot even boot from
external USB drives (3.5" disk drive, external HDDs, and DVD burner
drive -- CMOS doesn't see them and found out PC doesn't support bootable
USB devices).

However, I do have enough HDD space (30 GB free on second partition) to
copy Vista DVD (or make an ISO file) onto it through network (will take
a while).

Thank you in advance.