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Copy an ide hard disk
Hi, Scott.
See? A few more details got you a lot more advice. ;^} I have only one computer and never had a laptop. But since I've been dual-booting for a decade and beta-tested both Vista and Win7, my several HDDs have over a dozen partitions and logical drives. So I've had some experience with copying whole volumes - both data volumes and boot volumes. My favorite tool for whole-volume copying is Xcopy.exe, even though Microsoft is replacing it with RoboCopy. Xcopy won't work very well to move the current boot volume, but it has no qualms about moving the boot volume for any Windows version that is not the current OS. And, of course, there's no problem with copying data files. So, if you can arrange the physical connection of your IDE drive to the intended destination drive, then just boot into the Windows of your choice (WinXP, Vista, Win7 - doesn't matter) on any volume other than the targets. Then, open an Administrator:Command Prompt window and enter: C:Xcopy I:\*.* S:\ /c /h /e /r /k Where C: is your current boot volume, I: is your IDE source volume, and S: is your SATA target drive. Enter Xcopy /? to see a mini-Help file listing the parameters available with Xcopy. The ones I've suggested have always worked for me in copying a complete boot volume. (As you probably know, the "boot volume" is not the one used to boot the computer, but is the one holding the boot folder, \Windows, with all the gigabytes of files and folders for the operating system, as defined in KB 314470, "Definitions for system volume and boot volume", http://support.microsoft.com/default.../314470/EN-US/ .) This should copy the entire volume, but it will NOT copy the MBR and boot sector, since those are not files. You will need to use disk utilities (FixMBR, bootcfg. etc.) if you need to deal with those. And Xcopy is included with every copy of Windows - even Win7 RC. No need to buy anything else. ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100 "Scott" wrote in message ... "R. C. White" 在郵件 ä¸*撰寫... Hi, Scott. Depending on the many facts you didn't tell us, it can be as simple as using Windows Explorer's Copy command - or as complex as a third-party application, as Malke said. If this is your only disk on your only PC, then follow her instructions. If you have multiple drives and are dual-booting several Windows versions, post back with more details and we'll try to help. RC "Scott" wrote in message ... I have a desktop pc that is using sata hard disks. I would like to copy an ide hard disk to a larger one using the desktop pc. Is there any idea to accomplish it? Thanks, Scott Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide hard disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection on my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other idea? Scott |
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Copy an ide hard disk
"R. C. White" 在郵件
ä¸*撰寫... Hi, Scott. See? A few more details got you a lot more advice. ;^} I have only one computer and never had a laptop. But since I've been dual-booting for a decade and beta-tested both Vista and Win7, my several HDDs have over a dozen partitions and logical drives. So I've had some experience with copying whole volumes - both data volumes and boot volumes. My favorite tool for whole-volume copying is Xcopy.exe, even though Microsoft is replacing it with RoboCopy. Xcopy won't work very well to move the current boot volume, but it has no qualms about moving the boot volume for any Windows version that is not the current OS. And, of course, there's no problem with copying data files. So, if you can arrange the physical connection of your IDE drive to the intended destination drive, then just boot into the Windows of your choice (WinXP, Vista, Win7 - doesn't matter) on any volume other than the targets. Then, open an Administrator:Command Prompt window and enter: C:Xcopy I:\*.* S:\ /c /h /e /r /k Where C: is your current boot volume, I: is your IDE source volume, and S: is your SATA target drive. Enter Xcopy /? to see a mini-Help file listing the parameters available with Xcopy. The ones I've suggested have always worked for me in copying a complete boot volume. (As you probably know, the "boot volume" is not the one used to boot the computer, but is the one holding the boot folder, \Windows, with all the gigabytes of files and folders for the operating system, as defined in KB 314470, "Definitions for system volume and boot volume", http://support.microsoft.com/default.../314470/EN-US/ .) This should copy the entire volume, but it will NOT copy the MBR and boot sector, since those are not files. You will need to use disk utilities (FixMBR, bootcfg. etc.) if you need to deal with those. And Xcopy is included with every copy of Windows - even Win7 RC. No need to buy anything else. ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100 Hi RC, The Xcopy seems very useful. Thank for your advice! However, it cannot copy the MBR and boot sector, it is important to know it does not fit for my upgrade to larger hard disk. Scott |
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Copy an ide hard disk
"Malke" 在郵件
ä¸*撰寫... Scott wrote: Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide hard disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection on my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other idea? Suggestions: 1. Put both the IDE drives into USB external drive cases; 2. or attach internally to your computer if you have the connections on your motherboard; 3. or use SATA-to-IDE adapter(s) to the motherboard; 4. or use a specialized drive adapter(s) like this one: http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php If you are using such an old version of Norton Ghost that it won't support USB, replace it with a modern imaging program that does. I use the enterprise version of Acronis True Image Echo because I'm a computer tech, but you can buy the home version of TI for as little as $35. Here are a few examples: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nis+true+image You need the tools to accomplish the job. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Hi Malke, Today I tried the trial version of Acronis True Image Echo to upgrade two hard disks: ide and sata. Unfortunately, both failed. Acronis True Image Echo does support removable media while Norton Ghost does not. I tried to clone the hard disk on my laptop computer to an external hard disk. It failed on the first partion and the error says it cannot read xxxx sector, retry and ignor all. I am still looking for the way to do it. I tried the other laptop hard disk. Firstly connect the new hard disk to my desktop pc. Secondly connect the old on an external USB adapter. The old disk contains 3 partitions: recovery, os + application & data. The recovery and OS + application & data partition copy worked fine but failed while copying the data partition. I installed the half successfully new hard disk onto the laptop pc. It booted successfully but the data partition becomes unallocated. I repartition them and copy the data from the old hard disk and it works. Acronis True Image Echo is better but seems the successful rate is not high. Regards, Scott |
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Copy an ide hard disk
Anna wrote: (snippage) 5. While I'm not familiar with the *specific* model of the drive adapter device Malke suggests, I am familiar with this type of device in general. Frankly our experience has been quite negative after using a fair number of different makes & models of these type of devices. To the point where we rarely recommend them. We have encountered far too many instances where these devices simply didn't work or worked erratically or the result was too often corrupted/files on the destination drive. And we even encountered some instances where it adversely affected the source HDD. On the other hand we have seen reports from users quite satisfied with these devices. I would be interested to learn whether Malke has personally used this specific model in a fair number of instances. "Malke" wrote in message ... Yes. I've used an older model of the USB drive adapter from Newertech for years. I've never had a problem with it. I mostly use it for IDE and laptop drives. I recently bought this similar item for SATA drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153071 and I've been quite happy with it. I also have a bunch of external drive enclosures and can quickly stick a drive in there if need be. For the most part I use the adapters and enclosures for data recovery from clients' hard drives and drives in external enclosures to store my own images. I also have enough computers so that if I wanted to work on two drives like the OP does I probably would just attach them internally to one of the testbed boxen and boot with the Acronis CD to do the cloning that way. I prefer to image or clone a drive when it is connected to the motherboard, either with an add-in PCI card or directly to the motherboard. However, if the OP doesn't have extra computers, then he is going to need to either buy some tools/software or take the drives to a tech like me to have the job done. If it's going to be a one-time job, he'd be better off just taking it to a tech - who will have all the necessary tools and machines. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Malke: Thanks for the info. We may give that Newertech device you mentioned in your previous post a try based on your recommendation & positive experience. As I previously indicated our overall experience with those type of devices have been abysmally poor for the reasons I indicated. And we've worked with a fair number of different makes & models. As to the Thermaltake "dock" you mentioned above...yes, we have worked with that particular device as well (it belonged to a customer) and, as you have, found it quite satisfactory. We do use a similar type product, the Vantec dock - see... http://www.vantecusa.com/front/product/view_detail/372# They're quite similar in use & function, however, we prefer the Vantec device since the power switch is on the *front* of the device. It has always annoyed us when these external enclosures have (as is the usual case!) the power switch on the rear of the unit. The power-on LED is quite bright (actually too bright!) but at least we're fully aware when the device is powered-on. Anna |
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Copy an ide hard disk
Scott wrote:
"Malke" ??? ???... Scott wrote: Probably, I did not describe the issue clearly. My computer is working on Vista Premium and support 2 sata drives. Now I need to copy an old ide hard disk to a larger one for my laptop pc. I cannot do it on my laptop and think to use my desktop pc. However, I do not have ide drive connection on my desktop pc and insufficient drives to accomplish the task. Any other idea? Suggestions: 1. Put both the IDE drives into USB external drive cases; 2. or attach internally to your computer if you have the connections on your motherboard; 3. or use SATA-to-IDE adapter(s) to the motherboard; 4. or use a specialized drive adapter(s) like this one: http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php If you are using such an old version of Norton Ghost that it won't support USB, replace it with a modern imaging program that does. I use the enterprise version of Acronis True Image Echo because I'm a computer tech, but you can buy the home version of TI for as little as $35. Here are a few examples: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nis+true+image You need the tools to accomplish the job. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Hi Malke, Today I tried the trial version of Acronis True Image Echo to upgrade two hard disks: ide and sata. Unfortunately, both failed. Acronis True Image Echo does support removable media while Norton Ghost does not. I tried to clone the hard disk on my laptop computer to an external hard disk. It failed on the first partion and the error says it cannot read xxxx sector, retry and ignor all. I am still looking for the way to do it. I tried the other laptop hard disk. Firstly connect the new hard disk to my desktop pc. Secondly connect the old on an external USB adapter. The old disk contains 3 partitions: recovery, os + application & data. The recovery and OS + application & data partition copy worked fine but failed while copying the data partition. I installed the half successfully new hard disk onto the laptop pc. It booted successfully but the data partition becomes unallocated. I repartition them and copy the data from the old hard disk and it works. Acronis True Image Echo is better but seems the successful rate is not high. I don't know why you're having such difficulties. We use TI Echo to clone drives for clients all the time with no issues - unless the hard drive being cloned is bad, of course. We usually only clone drives so we can give the cloned drive to the client to put in storage for an emergency. My partner and I normally just *image* drives with TI when we want to do what you are doing. Try creating an *image* of the drive and put it on a storage drive in an external USB enclosure. Then install your new drive in the target machine, boot with TI's rescue CD, and apply the image to the new raw drive instead. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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