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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:10:29 -0400, "Richard Urban"
wrote: I did NOT say that I do not backup to an external drive. That was not part of the discussion. No, and I didn't mean to accuse you of not doing so. Sorry, if my message came across that way. My point is that if you back up to external media regularly, almost all the supposed value of having your data on a separate partition vanishes. Again, you said "The main drive to have a separate data partition ... is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data." My reply was that if you are backing up, redoing or returning "to a previous image of the operating system partition" you can not lose your data. Having said all the above a couple of times, let me add the following: 1. Even though I don't see the value of a separate data partition the way you do, I don't have any real objection to having such a partition. It doesn't hurt. 2. But I feel very strongly against messages that suggest that doing that protects your data. The problem with such a suggestion is that it leads people to think that doing so obviates the need for backup. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:10:29 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: I did NOT say that I do not backup to an external drive. That was not part of the discussion. No, and I didn't mean to accuse you of not doing so. Sorry, if my message came across that way. My point is that if you back up to external media regularly, almost all the supposed value of having your data on a separate partition vanishes. Again, you said "The main drive to have a separate data partition ... is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data." My reply was that if you are backing up, redoing or returning "to a previous image of the operating system partition" you can not lose your data. Having said all the above a couple of times, let me add the following: 1. Even though I don't see the value of a separate data partition the way you do, I don't have any real objection to having such a partition. It doesn't hurt. 2. But I feel very strongly against messages that suggest that doing that protects your data. The problem with such a suggestion is that it leads people to think that doing so obviates the need for backup. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
But, I do it on my system ALL the time and have never had a condition where
I could NOT recover within 15 minutes. I also go to known malicious web sites to test different anti virus and anti malware programs. When I am done, I recover within 15 minutes. We will have to agree to disagree as whenever I see a question such as the O/P stated I will post the benefits of multiple partitions or drives. -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: You have never installed beta software that has totally hosed your system? I install beta software a few times a week for testing and some of the results are unrecoverable! No, I never have (at least not on anything but a spare system). And one of my standard recommendations here in the newsgroups is that nobody do so unless they do it on a spare, non-critical system. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
But, I do it on my system ALL the time and have never had a condition where
I could NOT recover within 15 minutes. I also go to known malicious web sites to test different anti virus and anti malware programs. When I am done, I recover within 15 minutes. We will have to agree to disagree as whenever I see a question such as the O/P stated I will post the benefits of multiple partitions or drives. -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: You have never installed beta software that has totally hosed your system? I install beta software a few times a week for testing and some of the results are unrecoverable! No, I never have (at least not on anything but a spare system). And one of my standard recommendations here in the newsgroups is that nobody do so unless they do it on a spare, non-critical system. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:46 -0400, "Richard Urban"
wrote: But, I do it on my system ALL the time and have never had a condition where I could NOT recover within 15 minutes. I also go to known malicious web sites to test different anti virus and anti malware programs. When I am done, I recover within 15 minutes. We will have to agree to disagree as whenever I see a question such as the O/P stated I will post the benefits of multiple partitions or drives. OK, that's fine. I didn't expect to convince you of anything. The purpose of my messages in this thread was to put forward my point of view for others reading here. Each person gets to decide for himself who he wants to believe. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: You have never installed beta software that has totally hosed your system? I install beta software a few times a week for testing and some of the results are unrecoverable! No, I never have (at least not on anything but a spare system). And one of my standard recommendations here in the newsgroups is that nobody do so unless they do it on a spare, non-critical system. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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Changing default partition for storage of data in vista
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:46 -0400, "Richard Urban"
wrote: But, I do it on my system ALL the time and have never had a condition where I could NOT recover within 15 minutes. I also go to known malicious web sites to test different anti virus and anti malware programs. When I am done, I recover within 15 minutes. We will have to agree to disagree as whenever I see a question such as the O/P stated I will post the benefits of multiple partitions or drives. OK, that's fine. I didn't expect to convince you of anything. The purpose of my messages in this thread was to put forward my point of view for others reading here. Each person gets to decide for himself who he wants to believe. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: You have never installed beta software that has totally hosed your system? I install beta software a few times a week for testing and some of the results are unrecoverable! No, I never have (at least not on anything but a spare system). And one of my standard recommendations here in the newsgroups is that nobody do so unless they do it on a spare, non-critical system. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:48 -0400, "Richard Urban" wrote: The main drive to have a separate data partition (I have done so since 1992) is that when (not IF) you have to either redo or return to a previous image of the operating system partition you do not lose your data. I strongly disagree with that statement for two reasons: 1. You say "when (not IF)," but if you do a good job of maintaining your system, that "when" normally never occurs. For example, I've run almost every version of Windows since 3.0, and I've *never* done this. 2. Protection against losing your data should be a strong and regular program of backup to an external device. Relying on its being on a separate partition is like playing with fire. You can lose the contents of the entire hard drive for a variety of reasons, starting with hard drive crashes. I have files I created in 1992. These files have survived many dozens of system redo's and returning to a previous state through the use of an imaging program. They have also survived upgrades, both physical and operating system, 6-8 times. Also, if you dual boot (many do so) you can access the data from any operating system you have on the computer "without" touching data in another system partition. Yes. As I said, those who dual-boot (perhaps many do, but as percentage of those running Windows, the number is tiny) need multiple partitions. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |