Hello,

I'm trying to find out why my computer keeps waking up from sleep.
Unfortunately I've not been able to track this down. I leave the house
around 9am, don't get back home till 8pm, and the computer has turned on
while I've been at work. My fiancee can't ever remember to check right
when she gets home to see if it's on then or not, so I have no other
time frame to deal with at the moment except for what happened today.
Specs are as follows...

Windows Vista Ultimate x64
Q6600 CPU
4gb (2x2gb) Corsair Memory
Asus Striker Extreme M/B
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 PSU
WD 750gb HDD
Lite-On DVD Drive (qty 2)
Nvidia 8800GTX
Soundblaster X-Fi Platinum

I'm using built in network port linked into a Linksys WR320N Router &
Time Warner Cable Modem


Here's what I can remember I've done so far...

BIOS - anything related to wake on ANYTHING has been disabled. USB,
LAN, Ring, Alarm (motherboard has an alarm clock feature)...it's all
disabled.

Tasks - I'm not 100% on this...but I think everything that would
possibly wake it up, has been disabled.

Windows Update - Never has been, and still isn't set to wake up & check
on it's own.

Media Center - Has not been, and still isn't set to update on it's own.

Device Manager - All network Wake On Lan's have been disabled.

The computer will not wake up from being "Shut Down", but it will wake
up from sleep on it's own. I went so far as to unplug EVERYTHING
connected to it except the power cable, and it still woke up, so it's
not external.

Today 8/8, I happened to be home and noticed around 8pm, it was on
again, thankfully I had just put it into sleep around 6 or 6:30. There
has to be something set somewhere that it waking it up. I've searched
and searched and found a lot of things to try, none of which has helped
except one...

I found a post stating to capture a log file on Power Events...so here
is what I captured today...please help me...I'm at a loss as to what it
would be.

Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category

Warning 8/8/2009 8:47:33 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:26 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:33:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:30:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the stopped state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM 10029
None "DCOM started the service VSS with arguments """" in order to run
the server:
{E579AB5F-1CC4-44B4-BED9-DE0991FF0623}"

Information 8/8/2009 8:15:47 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/9/2009 12:13:09 AM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 1:00:06 AM


Wake Source: RTC"


Information 8/8/2009 8:00:13 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


Warning 8/8/2009 7:13:22 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)


Information 8/8/2009 7:13:15 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:35 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:28 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/8/2009 10:32:18 PM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 12:09:27 AM


Wake Source: Power Button"


Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


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Dragon41673

Does typing in a command prompt

powercfg -lastwake

give any info (it doesn't say anything useful on my computer).
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"Dragon41673" wrote in message
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Hello,

I'm trying to find out why my computer keeps waking up from sleep.
Unfortunately I've not been able to track this down. I leave the house
around 9am, don't get back home till 8pm, and the computer has turned on
while I've been at work. My fiancee can't ever remember to check right
when she gets home to see if it's on then or not, so I have no other
time frame to deal with at the moment except for what happened today.
Specs are as follows...

Windows Vista Ultimate x64
Q6600 CPU
4gb (2x2gb) Corsair Memory
Asus Striker Extreme M/B
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 PSU
WD 750gb HDD
Lite-On DVD Drive (qty 2)
Nvidia 8800GTX
Soundblaster X-Fi Platinum

I'm using built in network port linked into a Linksys WR320N Router &
Time Warner Cable Modem


Here's what I can remember I've done so far...

BIOS - anything related to wake on ANYTHING has been disabled. USB,
LAN, Ring, Alarm (motherboard has an alarm clock feature)...it's all
disabled.

Tasks - I'm not 100% on this...but I think everything that would
possibly wake it up, has been disabled.

Windows Update - Never has been, and still isn't set to wake up & check
on it's own.

Media Center - Has not been, and still isn't set to update on it's own.

Device Manager - All network Wake On Lan's have been disabled.

The computer will not wake up from being "Shut Down", but it will wake
up from sleep on it's own. I went so far as to unplug EVERYTHING
connected to it except the power cable, and it still woke up, so it's
not external.

Today 8/8, I happened to be home and noticed around 8pm, it was on
again, thankfully I had just put it into sleep around 6 or 6:30. There
has to be something set somewhere that it waking it up. I've searched
and searched and found a lot of things to try, none of which has helped
except one...

I found a post stating to capture a log file on Power Events...so here
is what I captured today...please help me...I'm at a loss as to what it
would be.

Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category

Warning 8/8/2009 8:47:33 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:26 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:33:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:30:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the stopped state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM 10029
None "DCOM started the service VSS with arguments """" in order to run
the server:
{E579AB5F-1CC4-44B4-BED9-DE0991FF0623}"

Information 8/8/2009 8:15:47 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/9/2009 12:13:09 AM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 1:00:06 AM


Wake Source: RTC"


Information 8/8/2009 8:00:13 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


Warning 8/8/2009 7:13:22 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)


Information 8/8/2009 7:13:15 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:35 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:28 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/8/2009 10:32:18 PM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 12:09:27 AM


Wake Source: Power Button"


Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


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Dragon41673

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ar...3/7658352.aspx

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. wrote in message ...
Does typing in a command prompt

powercfg -lastwake

give any info (it doesn't say anything useful on my computer).
--
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"Dragon41673" wrote in message
...

Hello,

I'm trying to find out why my computer keeps waking up from sleep.
Unfortunately I've not been able to track this down. I leave the house
around 9am, don't get back home till 8pm, and the computer has turned on
while I've been at work. My fiancee can't ever remember to check right
when she gets home to see if it's on then or not, so I have no other
time frame to deal with at the moment except for what happened today.
Specs are as follows...

Windows Vista Ultimate x64
Q6600 CPU
4gb (2x2gb) Corsair Memory
Asus Striker Extreme M/B
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 PSU
WD 750gb HDD
Lite-On DVD Drive (qty 2)
Nvidia 8800GTX
Soundblaster X-Fi Platinum

I'm using built in network port linked into a Linksys WR320N Router &
Time Warner Cable Modem


Here's what I can remember I've done so far...

BIOS - anything related to wake on ANYTHING has been disabled. USB,
LAN, Ring, Alarm (motherboard has an alarm clock feature)...it's all
disabled.

Tasks - I'm not 100% on this...but I think everything that would
possibly wake it up, has been disabled.

Windows Update - Never has been, and still isn't set to wake up & check
on it's own.

Media Center - Has not been, and still isn't set to update on it's own.

Device Manager - All network Wake On Lan's have been disabled.

The computer will not wake up from being "Shut Down", but it will wake
up from sleep on it's own. I went so far as to unplug EVERYTHING
connected to it except the power cable, and it still woke up, so it's
not external.

Today 8/8, I happened to be home and noticed around 8pm, it was on
again, thankfully I had just put it into sleep around 6 or 6:30. There
has to be something set somewhere that it waking it up. I've searched
and searched and found a lot of things to try, none of which has helped
except one...

I found a post stating to capture a log file on Power Events...so here
is what I captured today...please help me...I'm at a loss as to what it
would be.

Level Date and Time Source Event ID Task Category

Warning 8/8/2009 8:47:33 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:26 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 8:47:21 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:33:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:30:24 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the stopped state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Microsoft Software Shadow Copy Provider service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Volume Shadow Copy service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:25:43 PM Microsoft-Windows-DistributedCOM 10029
None "DCOM started the service VSS with arguments """" in order to run
the server:
{E579AB5F-1CC4-44B4-BED9-DE0991FF0623}"

Information 8/8/2009 8:15:47 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the stopped
state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:12 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/9/2009 12:13:09 AM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 1:00:06 AM


Wake Source: RTC"


Information 8/8/2009 8:00:13 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 8:00:08 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


Warning 8/8/2009 7:13:22 PM Microsoft-Windows-Time-Service 134 None
NtpClient was unable to set a manual peer to use as a time source
because of DNS resolution error on 'time.windows.com,0x9'. NtpClient
will try again in 15 minutes and double the reattempt interval
thereafter. The error was: No such host is known. (0x80072AF9)


Information 8/8/2009 7:13:15 PM Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Power 42 None
The system is entering sleep.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
102 None The service temporarily stopped publishing because of a power
event.

Information 8/8/2009 7:13:10 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the paused state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:35 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
WinHTTP Web Proxy Auto-Discovery Service service entered the running
state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:28 PM Microsoft-Windows-Power-Troubleshooter
1 None "The system has resumed from sleep.


Sleep Time: 8/8/2009 10:32:18 PM
Wake Time: 8/9/2009 12:09:27 AM


Wake Source: Power Button"


Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Microsoft-Windows-ResourcePublication
104 None The service is publishing to the network.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:27 PM Service Control Manager 7036 None The
Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) service entered the running state.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Tcpip 4201 None The system detected
that network adapter Local Area Connection was connected to the network,
and has initiated normal operation.

Information 8/8/2009 7:09:23 PM Microsoft-Windows-Dhcp-Client 1103 None
Your computer was successfully assigned an address from the network, and
it can now connect to other computers.


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Dragon41673

Ok, I have watched it the last 2 days, and at roughly 8pm, it turns on.
I just saw the 2 posts above this, so when I have a moment I will look
into both of them and reply back...

Thanks!


--
Dragon41673

Ok...powercfg -lastwake said 0...probably because I "shut down" my
computer before I left the house...it's the only way it will stay off.

powercfg -devicequery wake_from_any gave me this...

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\powercfg -devicequery wake_from_any
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse (IntelliPoint) (001)
HID-compliant consumer control device (006)
HID-compliant consumer control device (008)
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet #2
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (001)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (002)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (003)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (004)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (005)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (006)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (007)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (008)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (009)
VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
UMBus Enumerator
UMBus Enumerator (001)
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub (001)
USB Composite Device
USB Printing Support
HP Photosmart 8400 Series (DOT4USB)
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Human Interface Device (003)
HP Photosmart 8400 USB Device
Photosmart 8400

And powercfg -devicequery wake_armed gave me this...

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\powercfg -devicequery wake_armed
Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse (IntelliPoint) (001)


Now...keep in mind...I DID unplug everything except power one day, and
it still woke up, so I'm guessing it's a software issue rather then
hardware...but I do realize that even though something may not be
plugged into a port doesn't mean it can't wake up (as in a faulty port
or something).

What do you guys think?


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Dragon41673

Try unplugging the mouse if you haven't already..

In Task Schedule, its standard view list last tasks run. Does this show
anything interesting?

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"Dragon41673" wrote in message
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Ok...powercfg -lastwake said 0...probably because I "shut down" my
computer before I left the house...it's the only way it will stay off.

powercfg -devicequery wake_from_any gave me this...

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\powercfg -devicequery wake_from_any
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse (IntelliPoint) (001)
HID-compliant consumer control device (006)
HID-compliant consumer control device (008)
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet
NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet #2
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (001)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (002)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (003)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (004)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (005)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (006)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (007)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (008)
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge (009)
VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
UMBus Enumerator
UMBus Enumerator (001)
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub (001)
USB Composite Device
USB Printing Support
HP Photosmart 8400 Series (DOT4USB)
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Human Interface Device (003)
HP Photosmart 8400 USB Device
Photosmart 8400

And powercfg -devicequery wake_armed gave me this...

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6002]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\powercfg -devicequery wake_armed
Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse (IntelliPoint) (001)


Now...keep in mind...I DID unplug everything except power one day, and
it still woke up, so I'm guessing it's a software issue rather then
hardware...but I do realize that even though something may not be
plugged into a port doesn't mean it can't wake up (as in a faulty port
or something).

What do you guys think?


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Dragon41673

Hello...

Nothing is listed in Task Scheduler that would be at the same time my
machine woke up, there are a couple that started up about 12 minutes
after, but nothing right around 8pm.

As far as the mouse, again...I unpluged everything except power...and
it still started up. So yes, it has been unpluged.


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Dragon41673

I wonder if it's windows defender waking the computer?

or some other program?


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probably one or the other


"serpentracer" wrote in
message ...

I wonder if it's windows defender waking the computer?

or some other program?


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