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Old September 24th 09, 08:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
DeAnna
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Default Vista and XP workgroups

I have a laptop running Windows Vista and would like print from it. I have a
Desk top running XP and have set up the wireless router, workgroups and the
printer. My Desktop can see the Laptop; but the Laptop doesn't show the
Desktop and I am unable to print from the Laptop. We do have another laptop
running XP and it's able to view the desktop and print with no problem.
Please help, I am so confused and frustrated.
--
DeAnna
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Old September 24th 09, 08:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
lemur
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Default Vista and XP workgroups


Your wireless printer should have it's own ip address. Go to Control
Panel, Hardware and Sound, Add Printer. Choose "add a network, wireless
or bluetooth printer" and click next. If you see the wireless printer
nad its ip address, then all good.

You can also try to ping your printer to see if you get a reply.


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Old September 24th 09, 08:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
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Default Vista and XP workgroups


Your wireless printer should have it's own ip address. Go to Control
Panel, Hardware and Sound, Add Printer. Choose "add a network, wireless
or bluetooth printer" and click next. If you see the wireless printer
nad its ip address, then all good.

You can also try to ping your printer to see if you get a reply.


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Old September 24th 09, 09:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Malke[_2_]
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Default Vista and XP workgroups

DeAnna wrote:

I have a laptop running Windows Vista and would like print from it. I
have a Desk top running XP and have set up the wireless router, workgroups
and the
printer. My Desktop can see the Laptop; but the Laptop doesn't show the
Desktop and I am unable to print from the Laptop. We do have another
laptop running XP and it's able to view the desktop and print with no
problem. Please help, I am so confused and frustrated.


If the printer is connected locally to one of the XP computers (it is
unclear from your post whether this is the case or whether the printer is a
true network printer), then you must get your Local Area Network file/printer
sharing set up correctly first. Then install the Vista printer drivers on the
Vista machine (get the latest Vista drivers from the printer mftr.). If you
are running Vista 64-bit, post back for slight different printing
instructions. In the meantime, here are general network troubleshooting
steps.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start OrbSearch boxtype: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder OptionsView tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by exchanging a
file between all machines), if you want to share a printer connected locally
to one of your computers, share it out from that machine. Then go to the
printer mftr.'s website and download the latest drivers for the correct
operating system(s). Install them on the target machine(s). The printer
should be seen during the installation routine. If it is not, install the
drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard. In some instances, certain
printers need to be installed as Local printers but that is outside of this
response.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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Old September 24th 09, 09:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Malke[_2_]
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Default Vista and XP workgroups

DeAnna wrote:

I have a laptop running Windows Vista and would like print from it. I
have a Desk top running XP and have set up the wireless router, workgroups
and the
printer. My Desktop can see the Laptop; but the Laptop doesn't show the
Desktop and I am unable to print from the Laptop. We do have another
laptop running XP and it's able to view the desktop and print with no
problem. Please help, I am so confused and frustrated.


If the printer is connected locally to one of the XP computers (it is
unclear from your post whether this is the case or whether the printer is a
true network printer), then you must get your Local Area Network file/printer
sharing set up correctly first. Then install the Vista printer drivers on the
Vista machine (get the latest Vista drivers from the printer mftr.). If you
are running Vista 64-bit, post back for slight different printing
instructions. In the meantime, here are general network troubleshooting
steps.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start OrbSearch boxtype: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder OptionsView tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by exchanging a
file between all machines), if you want to share a printer connected locally
to one of your computers, share it out from that machine. Then go to the
printer mftr.'s website and download the latest drivers for the correct
operating system(s). Install them on the target machine(s). The printer
should be seen during the installation routine. If it is not, install the
drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard. In some instances, certain
printers need to be installed as Local printers but that is outside of this
response.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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Old September 24th 09, 10:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
DeAnna
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Posts: 8
Default Vista and XP workgroups

It's not a wireless printer. It has a cable attached to the desktop which
runs XP.
DeAnna


"lemur" wrote:


Your wireless printer should have it's own ip address. Go to Control
Panel, Hardware and Sound, Add Printer. Choose "add a network, wireless
or bluetooth printer" and click next. If you see the wireless printer
nad its ip address, then all good.

You can also try to ping your printer to see if you get a reply.


--
lemur

::If *ANYONE* in this forum helps you, please click on
their *REP* icon. Thanks! (the middle scale icon in the upper right
corner)::

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Old September 24th 09, 10:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
DeAnna
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Posts: 8
Default Vista and XP workgroups

It's not a wireless printer. It has a cable attached to the desktop which
runs XP.
DeAnna


"lemur" wrote:


Your wireless printer should have it's own ip address. Go to Control
Panel, Hardware and Sound, Add Printer. Choose "add a network, wireless
or bluetooth printer" and click next. If you see the wireless printer
nad its ip address, then all good.

You can also try to ping your printer to see if you get a reply.


--
lemur

::If *ANYONE* in this forum helps you, please click on
their *REP* icon. Thanks! (the middle scale icon in the upper right
corner)::

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Old September 24th 09, 10:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
DeAnna
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Posts: 8
Default Vista and XP workgroups

I did all that and my laptop with vista does not show the desktop with XP.
--
DeAnna


"Malke" wrote:

DeAnna wrote:

I have a laptop running Windows Vista and would like print from it. I
have a Desk top running XP and have set up the wireless router, workgroups
and the
printer. My Desktop can see the Laptop; but the Laptop doesn't show the
Desktop and I am unable to print from the Laptop. We do have another
laptop running XP and it's able to view the desktop and print with no
problem. Please help, I am so confused and frustrated.


If the printer is connected locally to one of the XP computers (it is
unclear from your post whether this is the case or whether the printer is a
true network printer), then you must get your Local Area Network file/printer
sharing set up correctly first. Then install the Vista printer drivers on the
Vista machine (get the latest Vista drivers from the printer mftr.). If you
are running Vista 64-bit, post back for slight different printing
instructions. In the meantime, here are general network troubleshooting
steps.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start OrbSearch boxtype: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder OptionsView tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by exchanging a
file between all machines), if you want to share a printer connected locally
to one of your computers, share it out from that machine. Then go to the
printer mftr.'s website and download the latest drivers for the correct
operating system(s). Install them on the target machine(s). The printer
should be seen during the installation routine. If it is not, install the
drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard. In some instances, certain
printers need to be installed as Local printers but that is outside of this
response.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ


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Old September 24th 09, 10:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
DeAnna
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Posts: 8
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I did all that and my laptop with vista does not show the desktop with XP.
--
DeAnna


"Malke" wrote:

DeAnna wrote:

I have a laptop running Windows Vista and would like print from it. I
have a Desk top running XP and have set up the wireless router, workgroups
and the
printer. My Desktop can see the Laptop; but the Laptop doesn't show the
Desktop and I am unable to print from the Laptop. We do have another
laptop running XP and it's able to view the desktop and print with no
problem. Please help, I am so confused and frustrated.


If the printer is connected locally to one of the XP computers (it is
unclear from your post whether this is the case or whether the printer is a
true network printer), then you must get your Local Area Network file/printer
sharing set up correctly first. Then install the Vista printer drivers on the
Vista machine (get the latest Vista drivers from the printer mftr.). If you
are running Vista 64-bit, post back for slight different printing
instructions. In the meantime, here are general network troubleshooting
steps.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start OrbSearch boxtype: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder OptionsView tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

F. After you have file sharing working (and have tested this by exchanging a
file between all machines), if you want to share a printer connected locally
to one of your computers, share it out from that machine. Then go to the
printer mftr.'s website and download the latest drivers for the correct
operating system(s). Install them on the target machine(s). The printer
should be seen during the installation routine. If it is not, install the
drivers and then use the Add Printer Wizard. In some instances, certain
printers need to be installed as Local printers but that is outside of this
response.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ


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Old September 24th 09, 10:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Malke[_2_]
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Posts: 4,230
Default Vista and XP workgroups

DeAnna wrote:

I did all that and my laptop with vista does not show the desktop with XP.


Then you've done something wrong, but simply saying "I did all that" doesn't
allow me to help you troubleshoot it.

You can take the time to go through MVP Hans-Georg Michna's Small Network
Troubleshooter:

http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm

which will usually pinpoint the source of the problem.

Or have a local tech come on-site and set you up properly. Networking issues
are often very hard to troubleshoot except hands-on. If you go this route,
don't use a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of place. Get recommendations
from family, friends, colleagues.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

 




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