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Old September 29th 09, 02:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
John
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John
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Old September 29th 09, 02:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
Ken Blake, MVP
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.



From what you've told us, I can't tell you what your problem is, but I
can tell you that you making a very bad mistake. Registry cleaning
programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed
and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html



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McAfee Anti-virus, is the second worst anti-virus program available,
Only Norton is worse. I recommend NOD32 if you willing to pay for one,
or Avast if you want a free one.


and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.



And Defender, Adaware, and Spybot Search and Destroy are three of the
weakest anti-spyware programs. I recommend that you run the freeware
versions of both of the following: MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and
SuperAntiSpyware.

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Old September 29th 09, 02:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
Ken Blake, MVP
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.



From what you've told us, I can't tell you what your problem is, but I
can tell you that you making a very bad mistake. Registry cleaning
programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed
and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html



Real time monitoring by McCafee



McAfee Anti-virus, is the second worst anti-virus program available,
Only Norton is worse. I recommend NOD32 if you willing to pay for one,
or Avast if you want a free one.


and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.



And Defender, Adaware, and Spybot Search and Destroy are three of the
weakest anti-spyware programs. I recommend that you run the freeware
versions of both of the following: MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and
SuperAntiSpyware.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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Old September 30th 09, 01:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
John
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning



"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John


In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John
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Old September 30th 09, 01:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
John
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning



"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John


In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John
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Old September 30th 09, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
Questor[_2_]
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning

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"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John


I think what George meant was to just leave it on. Not
sleeping/hibernating, but simply leave it on. My computers (4) stay on
24/7. They are rarely turned off, only rebooted when the MS police tell
me to. In the evening I turn off the monitor, that's all. I usually
stop my email client (or mute the sound) so the 'ding dong' of arriving
mail doesn't act like Chinese water torture while asleep.

Questor
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Old September 30th 09, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
Questor[_2_]
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Posts: 262
Default Slow boot first time in the morning


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"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John


I think what George meant was to just leave it on. Not
sleeping/hibernating, but simply leave it on. My computers (4) stay on
24/7. They are rarely turned off, only rebooted when the MS police tell
me to. In the evening I turn off the monitor, that's all. I usually
stop my email client (or mute the sound) so the 'ding dong' of arriving
mail doesn't act like Chinese water torture while asleep.

Questor
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Old September 30th 09, 02:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
whs[_8_]
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning


John;1148967 Wrote:
"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
John@newsgroup wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to
boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the
hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook,
it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the
screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single
program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean
up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of
the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner
once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight

tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally

is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans.

Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems

like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan

to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make

sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only

turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month

just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push

the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get

up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no

it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed

to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and

have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they

were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep
rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for
about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John



Type SERVICES into the Start/search and hit Enter. On the Services page
go down to WINDOWS SEARCH, right click on it, go to Properties and set
it to "Disabled" in lieu of "Automatic". Then reboot.
BTW: You must have made a typo with mcsvrent.exe - I never heard of
such a service.


--
whs
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Old September 30th 09, 02:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
whs[_8_]
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning


John;1148967 Wrote:
"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
John@newsgroup wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to
boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the
hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook,
it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the
screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single
program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean
up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of
the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner
once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight

tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally

is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans.

Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems

like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan

to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make

sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only

turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month

just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push

the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get

up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no

it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed

to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and

have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they

were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep
rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for
about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John



Type SERVICES into the Start/search and hit Enter. On the Services page
go down to WINDOWS SEARCH, right click on it, go to Properties and set
it to "Disabled" in lieu of "Automatic". Then reboot.
BTW: You must have made a typo with mcsvrent.exe - I never heard of
such a service.


--
whs
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Old September 30th 09, 04:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
SC Tom
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Default Slow boot first time in the morning


"whs" wrote in message
...

John;1148967 Wrote:
"f/fgeorge" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
John@newsgroup wrote:

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes
to
boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the
hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g.
Outlook,
it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the
screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive
(using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single
program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and
clean
up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of
the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry
Cleaner
once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight
tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally
is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans.
Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems
like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan
to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make
sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only
turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month
just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push
the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get
up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no
it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed
to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and
have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they
were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!


f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep
rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for
about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John



Type SERVICES into the Start/search and hit Enter. On the Services page
go down to WINDOWS SEARCH, right click on it, go to Properties and set
it to "Disabled" in lieu of "Automatic". Then reboot.
BTW: You must have made a typo with mcsvrent.exe - I never heard of
such a service.


--
whs


I think he meant mcsvrcnt.exe, which is associated with his McAfee.
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/mcsvrcnt/

SC Tom

 




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