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Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner



 
 
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Old November 12th 09, 04:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Petrarch
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner

I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or "Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership" steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access denied. In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action" message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I was able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a hard boot.
Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?

thanks
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Old November 12th 09, 04:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Mr. Arnold
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner

Petrarch wrote:
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or "Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership" steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access denied. In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action" message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I was able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a hard boot.

Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?


You can use the full rights admin account, since the one Vista gives you
out of the box is not a full rights admin account.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/
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Old November 12th 09, 04:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Mr. Arnold
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner


Petrarch wrote:
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or "Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership" steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access denied. In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action" message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I was able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a hard boot.

Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?


You can use the full rights admin account, since the one Vista gives you
out of the box is not a full rights admin account.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/
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Old November 12th 09, 05:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Petrarch
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner



"Mr. Arnold" wrote:


You can use the full rights admin account, since the one Vista gives you
out of the box is not a full rights admin account.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/


Yes, tried that, too. I get the same behavior, regardless whether I'm
logged in under my profile or the enabled administrator account.
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Old November 12th 09, 05:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Petrarch
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Posts: 12
Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner



"Mr. Arnold" wrote:


You can use the full rights admin account, since the one Vista gives you
out of the box is not a full rights admin account.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/


Yes, tried that, too. I get the same behavior, regardless whether I'm
logged in under my profile or the enabled administrator account.
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Old November 12th 09, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Brink
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner


Hello Petrarch,

Did you also "allow" your user account "Full Control" in the permission
for the file. You can look at step 18 in Method Two of the tutorial
below for how if needed. You might also try doing this in Safe Mode.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67...ship-file.html

Hope this helps,
Shawn

Petrarch;1189517 Wrote:
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by
Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders
back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I
need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a
message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or
"Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill
down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership"
steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which
report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to
the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full
control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access denied.
In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action"
message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or
administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I was
able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not
this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to
figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the
file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to
disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a hard
boot.
Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?

thanks



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Old November 12th 09, 05:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Brink
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner


Hello Petrarch,

Did you also "allow" your user account "Full Control" in the permission
for the file. You can look at step 18 in Method Two of the tutorial
below for how if needed. You might also try doing this in Safe Mode.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67...ship-file.html

Hope this helps,
Shawn

Petrarch;1189517 Wrote:
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by
Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders
back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I
need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a
message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or
"Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill
down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership"
steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which
report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to
the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full
control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access denied.
In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action"
message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or
administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I was
able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not
this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to
figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the
file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to
disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a hard
boot.
Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?

thanks



--
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(https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...5-AD617AF3D511)
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them.*
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Old November 12th 09, 06:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
FromTheRafters[_3_]
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner

"Petrarch" wrote in message
...
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by
Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in
it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders
back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I
need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a
message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or
"Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill
down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership"
steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which
report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to
the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full
control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access
denied. In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action"
message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or
administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I
was able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not
this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to
figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the
file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to
disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a
hard boot.
Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?


You might want to investigate deleting the file using another OS
(Linux). Sometimes a file path or name contains illegal characters as
far as Windows is concerned, and Linux (or another OS) will have a
different set of reserved words or illegal characters. The biometric
device may create a file with a "bad" name for Windows while accessing
the NTFS outside of Windows.


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Old November 12th 09, 06:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
FromTheRafters[_3_]
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner

"Petrarch" wrote in message
...
I restored my vista OS using a system image utility provided by
Alienware.
It created a backup folder on the c drive with all the old files in
it,
including user profiles. I changed the owner of all files and folders
back
to my account and tried to delete it, but got the UAC messages that I
need to
allow administrator rights to do so. After clicking yes, I got a
message
that permission was denied with the only options of "Try Again" or
"Cancel".
After making visible all hidden files and folders, I was able to drill
down
to the one file I could not delete. I've used the "take ownership"
steps in
Vista explorer properties, and also the "takeown" dos commands, which
report
success that the Administrators group or my account which belongs to
the
administrators group, is the owner of the file, and that I have full
control
of it. Even so, I cannot delete this file. In DOS, I get access
denied. In
Explorer, I get the "you need permission to perform this action"
message,
with "try again" or "cancel", and it shows that my account (or
administrators
group, doing it that way) is the owner. It's just this one file. I
was able
to delete all other files and folders around this file, but just not
this one.

I wonder if the folder path is so long or so nested that UAC fails to
figure
it out? It was in users\my profile\appdata\roaming\etc. Or is the
file
corrupt? The file is a tempory file created by one of those biometric
devices when logged on with your fingerprint, and is supposed to
disappear
when you log off, but it seems to have remained there because of a
hard boot.
Is there a utility I can use that can nuke this one lone file?


You might want to investigate deleting the file using another OS
(Linux). Sometimes a file path or name contains illegal characters as
far as Windows is concerned, and Linux (or another OS) will have a
different set of reserved words or illegal characters. The biometric
device may create a file with a "bad" name for Windows while accessing
the NTFS outside of Windows.


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Old November 12th 09, 06:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.security
Mr. Arnold
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Default Can't delete file in hidden folder even after changing owner

Petrarch wrote:

"Mr. Arnold" wrote:


You can use the full rights admin account, since the one Vista gives you
out of the box is not a full rights admin account.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/


Yes, tried that, too. I get the same behavior, regardless whether I'm
logged in under my profile or the enabled administrator account.



Did you try going into Safemode to delete the file?
 




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