I have a friend who is legally blind and I try to help him often with windows XP.
He received yesterday in Windows Live Mail with windows xp a document from his previous company with an attachment "All_articles_finalreview.doc".
He made many changes to it which took him over 4 hours. Then when he was finished he was asked to Save it and he said yes.

I was at his house to-day trying to find this changed document but could not find it anywhere. But is just HAS to be there somewhere.

I went to Search and put in the search "All-" also later just "All" and it found 964 documents which somewhere in the title had "all" like in install, ball, mall, etc. but never the document he saved.

I went to the C drive and went to explore and again went to search, again could not find his document.

Then I did a test. I opened the attachment and just added on top of the opened document a line with capital W's and then saved it. Again, I could not find this changed document.

I even went to Search and searched for .doc and could not find his modified or mine.

How can that be? It must be somewhere. I even said in search to search for hidden files, and still it did not find his or my modified document. I have never experienced something like that and if any of you have good ideas, let me know

The updated document was saved to the IE Temporary Internet Files (TIF).
That's where WLM saves a temporary copy of attachments when you open
them from within WLM.

You cannot update an attachment within a WLM message. You need to save
the attachment and then open it, or if you open it from within WLM, you
need to use the File, Save As option in the application to save the
updates to some place other than the TIF.

There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.

Any attachments, if they are still there, will Not show if you look at
the TIF from IE or the Windows Explorer normally. You will be able to
see them if you use Start, Run and enter the command:

WinXP
%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\

Vista/Win7
%userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temp orary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\

This assumes that you have not moved the TIF. You can check the actual
location by looking in IE at Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary
Internet Files, Settings. The \Content.IE5\ at the end is import or
else you won't be able to see all the files. You should see 4 folders
with names such as A1B2C3D4. You'll need to look in each folder for the
missing files. The Search function won't work. Also, your Windows
Folder Options must be set Not to Hide Protected Operating System Files
or else you won't see the folders and files.

An alternate access method is to open a Command Prompt window and use
"DOS" commands to locate and copy the file elsewhere. If you start at
the folder above the TIF and use the command
DIR /A /S *.DOC
(or whatever the file extension is) it will indicate if the file is
still there. You'll need to use a COPY command to copy the file
elsewhere. This will be cumbersome because of the peculiar folder
names.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"Ritter197" wrote in message
...
I have a friend who is legally blind and I try to help him often with
windows XP.
He received yesterday in Windows Live Mail with windows xp a document
from his previous company with an attachment
"All_articles_finalreview.doc".
He made many changes to it which took him over 4 hours. Then when he
was finished he was asked to Save it and he said yes.

I was at his house to-day trying to find this changed document but
could not find it anywhere. But is just HAS to be there somewhere.

I went to Search and put in the search "All-" also later just "All"
and it found 964 documents which somewhere in the title had "all" like
in install, ball, mall, etc. but never the document he saved.

I went to the C drive and went to explore and again went to search,
again could not find his document.

Then I did a test. I opened the attachment and just added on top of
the opened document a line with capital W's and then saved it. Again,
I could not find this changed document.

I even went to Search and searched for .doc and could not find his
modified or mine.

How can that be? It must be somewhere. I even said in search to search
for hidden files, and still it did not find his or my modified
document. I have never experienced something like that and if any of
you have good ideas, let me know

Thanks a lot. I wish I could have this advice while I was at his house,
which is in another city in MD.
But I will print it out and try it when I am there again.

Thanks a lot

Karl



"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
The updated document was saved to the IE Temporary Internet Files (TIF).
That's where WLM saves a temporary copy of attachments when you open them
from within WLM.

You cannot update an attachment within a WLM message. You need to save
the attachment and then open it, or if you open it from within WLM, you
need to use the File, Save As option in the application to save the
updates to some place other than the TIF.

There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.

Any attachments, if they are still there, will Not show if you look at the
TIF from IE or the Windows Explorer normally. You will be able to see
them if you use Start, Run and enter the command:

WinXP
%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\

Vista/Win7
%userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temp orary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\

This assumes that you have not moved the TIF. You can check the actual
location by looking in IE at Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary
Internet Files, Settings. The \Content.IE5\ at the end is import or else
you won't be able to see all the files. You should see 4 folders with
names such as A1B2C3D4. You'll need to look in each folder for the
missing files. The Search function won't work. Also, your Windows Folder
Options must be set Not to Hide Protected Operating System Files or else
you won't see the folders and files.

An alternate access method is to open a Command Prompt window and use
"DOS" commands to locate and copy the file elsewhere. If you start at the
folder above the TIF and use the command
DIR /A /S *.DOC
(or whatever the file extension is) it will indicate if the file is still
there. You'll need to use a COPY command to copy the file elsewhere.
This will be cumbersome because of the peculiar folder names.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"Ritter197" wrote in message
...
I have a friend who is legally blind and I try to help him often with
windows XP.
He received yesterday in Windows Live Mail with windows xp a document
from his previous company with an attachment
"All_articles_finalreview.doc".
He made many changes to it which took him over 4 hours. Then when he was
finished he was asked to Save it and he said yes.

I was at his house to-day trying to find this changed document but could
not find it anywhere. But is just HAS to be there somewhere.

I went to Search and put in the search "All-" also later just "All" and
it found 964 documents which somewhere in the title had "all" like in
install, ball, mall, etc. but never the document he saved.

I went to the C drive and went to explore and again went to search, again
could not find his document.

Then I did a test. I opened the attachment and just added on top of the
opened document a line with capital W's and then saved it. Again, I could
not find this changed document.

I even went to Search and searched for .doc and could not find his
modified or mine.

How can that be? It must be somewhere. I even said in search to search
for hidden files, and still it did not find his or my modified document.
I have never experienced something like that and if any of you have good
ideas, let me know

Unfortunately, the longer you wait, the more chance that Windows will have
purged the TIF or overwritten the file.

Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)


"Ritter197" wrote in message ...

Thanks a lot. I wish I could have this advice while I was at his house,
which is in another city in MD.
But I will print it out and try it when I am there again.

Thanks a lot

Karl



"Michael Santovec" wrote in message
...
The updated document was saved to the IE Temporary Internet Files (TIF). That's where WLM saves a temporary copy of attachments
when you open them from within WLM.

You cannot update an attachment within a WLM message. You need to save the attachment and then open it, or if you open it from
within WLM, you need to use the File, Save As option in the application to save the updates to some place other than the TIF.

There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.

Any attachments, if they are still there, will Not show if you look at the TIF from IE or the Windows Explorer normally. You
will be able to see them if you use Start, Run and enter the command:

WinXP
%userprofile%\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\

Vista/Win7
%userprofile%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temp orary Internet Files\Content.IE5\

This assumes that you have not moved the TIF. You can check the actual location by looking in IE at Tools, Internet Options,
General, Temporary Internet Files, Settings. The \Content.IE5\ at the end is import or else you won't be able to see all the
files. You should see 4 folders with names such as A1B2C3D4. You'll need to look in each folder for the missing files. The
Search function won't work. Also, your Windows Folder Options must be set Not to Hide Protected Operating System Files or else
you won't see the folders and files.

An alternate access method is to open a Command Prompt window and use "DOS" commands to locate and copy the file elsewhere. If
you start at the folder above the TIF and use the command
DIR /A /S *.DOC
(or whatever the file extension is) it will indicate if the file is still there. You'll need to use a COPY command to copy the
file elsewhere. This will be cumbersome because of the peculiar folder names.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"Ritter197" wrote in message ...
I have a friend who is legally blind and I try to help him often with windows XP.
He received yesterday in Windows Live Mail with windows xp a document from his previous company with an attachment
"All_articles_finalreview.doc".
He made many changes to it which took him over 4 hours. Then when he was finished he was asked to Save it and he said yes.

I was at his house to-day trying to find this changed document but could not find it anywhere. But is just HAS to be there
somewhere.

I went to Search and put in the search "All-" also later just "All" and it found 964 documents which somewhere in the title had
"all" like in install, ball, mall, etc. but never the document he saved.

I went to the C drive and went to explore and again went to search, again could not find his document.

Then I did a test. I opened the attachment and just added on top of the opened document a line with capital W's and then saved
it. Again, I could not find this changed document.

I even went to Search and searched for .doc and could not find his modified or mine.

How can that be? It must be somewhere. I even said in search to search for hidden files, and still it did not find his or my
modified document. I have never experienced something like that and if any of you have good ideas, let me know

There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.


Michael,

You didn't mention about having to close the containing E-mail before saving
the changed attachment. Otherwise, although the attachment is saved into
the TIF, it is then deleted when the message window is closed. That is the
case in OE at least. Use ProcMon to see it happen most clearly. I must
admit I haven't checked whether WLMail does the same thing (especially the
new beta w).


Robert
---

Well, let me explain something what he did.
He got this e-mail with an attachment.
He opened the attachment in MS WORD 2003.
He started to make revisions.
He said after 4 hours SAVE.
He then got out of that document.
He closed windows mail.
When I was at his house (50 miles RT unfortunately) that original document
was there as the original attachment and I opened it fine with his MS WORD
2003.
His changes were not in it, which is understandable, since this was the
Original document.
Now I tried something by typing on the first line of that open word document
a whole line of capital W's and then said Save. But it never showed where it
saved it.
I could never find this changed document in his document folder, under
Search with the title name, under Search with .doc.
So that is the mystery. Where is his or for that matter my document?
OE, Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail (IMHO) has nothing to do with it,
since we had the document open in WORD 2003.

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.


Michael,

You didn't mention about having to close the containing E-mail before
saving the changed attachment. Otherwise, although the attachment is
saved into the TIF, it is then deleted when the message window is closed.
That is the case in OE at least. Use ProcMon to see it happen most
clearly. I must admit I haven't checked whether WLMail does the same
thing (especially the new beta w).


Robert
---

He got this e-mail with an attachment.
He opened the attachment in MS WORD 2003.


What's missing in your descriptions is when the containing E-mail was
closed. If it was closed after opening the attachment but before saving it
then I think there would be a chance of finding it in the TIF.


He started to make revisions.
He said after 4 hours SAVE.
He then got out of that document.


Typically what users would do at this point is close the containing E-mail.
That's when the attachment would be deleted, thus deleting the altered
document. If that happened when Word still had its copy open then it
could be saved anywhere, including recreating the "deleted" temporary file.


FYI

Robert
---

After I tried to replicate this, I realized that what you say happened is
that you and your friend both edited a doc opened directly from WM, then
simply clicked "SAVE" after editing. You got what you wanted, which was that
you "SAVED" the doc to the temporary location. Upon closing either the email
__or WM__, the temp file was deleted. You can watch it happen by looking for
the temp doc after opening Word. Keep that folder open. Edit said doc. Save
said doc. Close WM, doc goes away. Try again, only this time close email but
leave WM open. Edit, save, close Word and WM. Temp doc goes.

I had to actually try this, because even a noob like me knows to make sure
to "SAVE AS..." a doc I've edited to a location of MY choosing, and I can
not imagine why someone would not put a doc exactly where they want it to be
saved. After replicating the steps, I also realized that I have been using
"SAVE AS..." since Outlook on Win95, because I'd had exactly the same
disappearing doc issue when I tried to use save. This is nothing new to
email. If I am remembering correctly, Eudora and some generic text editor I
was using back then did the same thing in the early days of Win 3.

I tried the same experiment, but this time used "SAVE AS..." Closed all, and
there it was. I repeated the experiment, putting the doc in a number of
locations. Always reliably there after closing everything.

Take this as a learning experience - Use SAVE AS when opening and editing a
doc directly from one's email.





"Ritter197" wrote in message ...

Well, let me explain something what he did.
He got this e-mail with an attachment.
He opened the attachment in MS WORD 2003.
He started to make revisions.
He said after 4 hours SAVE.
He then got out of that document.
He closed windows mail.
When I was at his house (50 miles RT unfortunately) that original document
was there as the original attachment and I opened it fine with his MS WORD
2003.
His changes were not in it, which is understandable, since this was the
Original document.
Now I tried something by typing on the first line of that open word document
a whole line of capital W's and then said Save. But it never showed where it
saved it.
I could never find this changed document in his document folder, under
Search with the title name, under Search with .doc.
So that is the mystery. Where is his or for that matter my document?
OE, Windows Mail or Windows Live Mail (IMHO) has nothing to do with it,
since we had the document open in WORD 2003.

"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.


Michael,

You didn't mention about having to close the containing E-mail before
saving the changed attachment. Otherwise, although the attachment is
saved into the TIF, it is then deleted when the message window is closed.
That is the case in OE at least. Use ProcMon to see it happen most
clearly. I must admit I haven't checked whether WLMail does the same
thing (especially the new beta w).


Robert
---

It was my experience with OE that when you close a message, it attempts
to delete the attachment from the TIF.

But with WLM, my experience has been that it tends leave attachments in
the TIF. I haven't checked this with the beta. And it's been a while
since I checked so I'm not sure if that still applies to newer builds.
But it's worth looking for the attachment.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
...
There is chance that the updated attachment is still in the TIF.


Michael,

You didn't mention about having to close the containing E-mail before
saving the changed attachment. Otherwise, although the attachment is
saved into the TIF, it is then deleted when the message window is
closed. That is the case in OE at least. Use ProcMon to see it
happen most clearly. I must admit I haven't checked whether WLMail
does the same thing (especially the new beta w).


Robert
---

with WLM, my experience has been that it tends leave attachments in the
TIF.


Great. Then the procedure that I would use to find a changed .doc file
would be:

1. Open the TIF from an IE window (because I would probably have one
open--otherwise open Internet Options).
E.g. in IE press Alt-T,O,Alt-S,V
2. Capture the path from that Explorer window. E.g. press Alt-d,Ctrl-c
3. Switch to a cmd window and build a cd /d command with the captured
path. E.g.
3.1 type cd /d and at least one more space
3.2 right-click, Paste
3.3 press Enter
4. Search the TIF (including LOW TIF) for *.doc. E.g. enter the
command:
dir/a/b/s *.doc

That gives a full path which can then be captured from the cmd window and
pasted into an Open dialog etc.


FYI

Robert
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