"Moonlight" wrote in message
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I came here looking for help, but, instead I get sarcastic remarks, & put
downs from a bunch of Morons!


Would you like to re-post from your original, where you actually asked for
HELP on a SPECIFIC problem, rather than just a general rant? Because I
didn't see any specific questions at ALL.

"Robert Barnett" wrote in message
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Here are my top 10 hates...

1. Windows Vista
Then dump it!
2. UAC
Protects from malware being installed without your knowledge. How many times
a day does this annoyance bother you. I may see it once a week. Big Deal!
3. Can't undock start bar tool bars like Quick Launch.
Sure you can. Right-click on the tool bar, choose Properties, click on the
Toolbars tab. Uncheck Quick Launch
4. Insists on showing media related columns in Details views in dialog
boxes and Windows Explorer even after choosing a different view and
telling Windows to use that from now on.
5. The new programs group listing on the start menu. XP was way better and
more attractive.
You can change it! Right-click on the tool bar, choose Properties, click on
the Start Menu tab, check in front of Classic Start menu. Other options are
available in Customize.
6. The extra stuff you were supposed to get with Vista Ultimate turned out
to be a joke and a major rip-off. Support for other languages is not a
good bonus feature.
Obviously you haven't used the system enough to appreciate the many
funcations.
7. Vista still doesn't write data to hard drives in a non-fragmented way.
The disk defragmenter utility is now even lamer than before and just as
slow.
The disk defragmenter runs in the background and is never noticed.
Obviously you don't have it set to do that.
8. The disk management tool for partitioning and formatting hard drives is
really poor and doesn't proved feedback on how far along in the format
process you are.
9. Internet Explorer 7 is total animal droppings.
IE7 was on XP also, or didn't you notice. You might try Netscape, Opera,
Firefox, Avant, Flock or even Apple Safari for Windows.
10. UAC
I believe this is a duplicate of #2 in this meaningless rant.

"Moonlight" wrote in message
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3 - It commonly drops my internet connection, which I cannot get
back without rebooting. I never had to reboot to reconnect with XP.

This seems like some extremely bogus networking drivers on your system.

8 - Vista keeps telling me that it's "blocked some startup programs" but
won't let me unblock these programs manually. It also won't let me
suppress
or ignore this message, it keeps popping up!

You would either want to get a Vista-compatible version of that application
or disable that application. You could potentially turn off UAC to work
around this too, but -- that startup program needing administrative
privileges is a little unusual.

9 - I keep getting program error messages, that MS doesn't have any
solutions to fix them.

This is the reason I responded -- *what* exact program error messages--
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
-- according to the Problem Reports and Solutions Center control panel?

I might be able to provide some more guidance on those, since some crashes
are pretty straight-forward....

11 - I can be in the middle of working on something & the monitor goes off
then comes back on & a dialog box/bubble pops up & says "The display
driver
failed, & has recovered" & it does this, I'd say 30-50 time in a day.
When
the display driver is up to date & Vista compatible.

Up to date from the vendor's web site or from Windows Update? Windows
Update typically has at least kernel-level working drivers (shouldn't blue
screen), but if the vendor has user-level issues/errors, those might be
fixed in an update on the vendor's site. If not, that potentially sounds
like bogus hardware.

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:


"Moonlight" wrote in message
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3 - It commonly drops my internet connection, which I cannot get
back without rebooting. I never had to reboot to reconnect with XP.

This seems like some extremely bogus networking drivers on your system.

This issue doesn't bother me as much as some of the others now.

8 - Vista keeps telling me that it's "blocked some startup programs" but
won't let me unblock these programs manually. It also won't let me
suppress
or ignore this message, it keeps popping up!

You would either want to get a Vista-compatible version of that application
or disable that application. You could potentially turn off UAC to work
around this too, but -- that startup program needing administrative
privileges is a little unusual.

I'm not sure on how to do that? Or what startup programs are involved.

9 - I keep getting program error messages, that MS doesn't have any
solutions to fix them.

This is the reason I responded -- *what* exact program error messages--
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
-- according to the Problem Reports and Solutions Center control panel?

I might be able to provide some more guidance on those, since some crashes
are pretty straight-forward....

Some of the messages I get are after I try to use hardware that doesn't want to work or after programs shut down for no reason.

I click "send report" button, but, then it says "can not be sent"

11 - I can be in the middle of working on something & the monitor goes off
then comes back on & a dialog box/bubble pops up & says "The display
driver
failed, & has recovered" & it does this, I'd say 30-50 time in a day.
When
the display driver is up to date & Vista compatible.

It supposedly is Vista compatable, as for the vender, It's an HP montieor vp15, & a compaq desktop SR5030NX, & an HP printer A Deskjet F380 All-In-One. (This is the device I need to be working the most! THat & the montior bugs me the most. Out of all the glitches.)

Up to date from the vendor's web site or from Windows Update? Windows
Update typically has at least kernel-level working drivers (shouldn't blue
screen), but if the vendor has user-level issues/errors, those might be
fixed in an update on the vendor's site. If not, that potentially sounds
like bogus hardware.

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

get updates through windows update, everyday, but, I don't usually check the vender's site, because it takes ages to download things, & I never can find the right page.

I'm not sure if this is enough info, but, I hope some of it helps?

I think I'm going to just go buy XP & drop Vista. Because it's take me 2 days
or more to downloaded patches & drivers. I know my printer's driver takes 24
hours, because this would be the 3 rd time I've had to redownload it, & Vista
will not let me delete or uninstall the printer before reinstalling it.

"Moonlight" wrote in message
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"zachd [MSFT]" wrote:

"Moonlight" wrote in message
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3 - It commonly drops my internet connection, which I cannot get
back without rebooting. I never had to reboot to reconnect with XP.

This seems like some extremely bogus networking drivers on your system.

This issue doesn't bother me as much as some of the others now.

It definitely bothers me, though. That's a component not performing well,
and any failure really doesn't fly - and potentially contributes to other
issues. =\

8 - Vista keeps telling me that it's "blocked some startup programs"
but
won't let me unblock these programs manually. It also won't let me
suppress
or ignore this message, it keeps popping up!

You would either want to get a Vista-compatible version of that
application
or disable that application. You could potentially turn off UAC to work
around this too, but -- that startup program needing administrative
privileges is a little unusual.

I'm not sure on how to do that? Or what startup programs are involved.

You can click on that tool that's alerting you to this in order to get that
list. =)

9 - I keep getting program error messages, that MS doesn't have any
solutions to fix them.

This is the reason I responded -- *what* exact program error messages--
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
-- according to the Problem Reports and Solutions Center control panel?

I might be able to provide some more guidance on those, since some
crashes
are pretty straight-forward....

Some of the messages I get are after I try to use hardware that doesn't
want to work or after programs shut down for no reason.

I click "send report" button, but, then it says "can not be sent"

That's fascinating and may be part of other problems.

The data by itself from that control panel would still be illuminative
regardless. =\

11 - I can be in the middle of working on something & the monitor goes
off
then comes back on & a dialog box/bubble pops up & says "The display
driver
failed, & has recovered" & it does this, I'd say 30-50 time in a day.
When
the display driver is up to date & Vista compatible.

It supposedly is Vista compatable, as for the vender, It's an HP montieor
vp15, & a compaq desktop SR5030NX, & an HP printer A Deskjet
F380 All-In-One. (This is the device I need to be working the most!
THat & the montior bugs me the most. Out of all the glitches.)

I can definitely understand that - the last one I would know nothing about,
but HP support would probably be most effective on.

I saw the other post - it looks like your hardware has some subpar drivers,
and I hope that your change gets those working again. The crash data would
be interesting regardless, but I would suspect it would point to some
outdated or broken driver upon your system. I don't know how your printer's
driver takes 24 hours to download, but that sounds pretty stunning to me. I
generally make sure to build an "Install Packages" folder that I download
all the things I need to update on my system so I'm sure they're available
later without redownload. But if you've already been redownloading the
driver, that sounds like you're banging your head against the wall and that
you're running into a bug that would not be resolved by reinstalling
repeatedly. That's the time at which you need to use actual customer
support, as self-service really hasn't been getting you very far. =\

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

As for...

5. The new programs group listing on the start menu. XP was way better and
more attractive.
You can change it! Right-click on the tool bar, choose Properties, click on
the Start Menu tab, check in front of Classic Start menu. Other options are
available in Customize.


Unfortunately, that is the pre-xp interface which is just ugly. Why on earth
they didn't do the XP look instead is just another indication that Microsoft
has no clue.

As for my "meaningless rant" this entire thread is a meaningless rant. There
is a lot to rant about when it comes to Vista. If you can't see then they
pull your meaningless head out of your meaningless ass.

Robert

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:21:03 -0700, "Robert Barnett"
wrote:


As for my "meaningless rant" this entire thread is a meaningless rant.
There
is a lot to rant about when it comes to Vista. If you can't see then
pull your meaningless head out of your meaningless ass.

Good advice, but fanboys never listen. snicker

Nor acknowledge Vista's obvious defects in network and disk (lack of) speed.
Which is a fact. Sort of reminds me of the first episode of Star Trek.
Where they had never seen a human before, so they put her back together the
best they could. Vista is like this. Untrained new people developed Vista,
or so it seems.

Fanboys, well they are pied piper sheep. Let them follow M$ into a third
rate bit player. Will take years to happen, but it is now swinging in that
direction unless M$ can fix their attitude and broken Vista OS.