On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:29:22 -0500, "Peter Foldes"
wrote:


That's what I said about my orignial mint condition TRS-80 from Radio
Shack. A Mac very much reminds of that. The Mac community is basically
cooks, fools and wild eyed zealots that don't know any better.



I did not know that they were also cooks . Any good? :-)

Me bad...

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:25:14 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:

Adam Albright wrote:

That's what I said about my orignial mint condition TRS-80 from Radio
Shack. A Mac very much reminds of that. The Mac community is basically
cooks, fools and wild eyed zealots that don't know any better.

http://www.weller.to/wcc/trs/wcctani__01l.jpg

Nah, Macs are just the epicenter of the computer world, what Apple does,
everyone else follows. And that's been true for a little over 30 years.

You seem more delusional with each new post. The reality is nobody
follows Apple. They have been playing catch up from almost the
beginning and have got nowhere fast.

Steve Jobs has always been and remains a maverick. He made a classic
business model mistake that has stiffled Apple's growth and still does
today. Jobs being one of the all time greedy and most arrogant SOB's
in world history had some initial success foolishly decided early on
to go with a closed architecture supposedly to hog all the profits.
This meant no other company could offer any expansion cards, even hard
drives or monitors, not even keyboards. Everything had to be Apple and
so it remained for years.

Meanwhile, IBM had a team headed by Don Estridge at Boca Raton Fl
quickly design a "personal" computer. Being very experienced and use
to working for a giant corporation he quickly decided the only way to
go was to use tested vendor technology that was already mostly
standardized and most important; base IBM's personal computer on open
architecture.

Newsweek magazine quickly called the IBM PC "a roaring success," and
the New York Times said, "The speed and extent to which IBM has been
successful has surprised many people, including IBM itself."

The time was 1981 just a few years after Apple's introduction of a
personal computer and quickly lost most of what little market it had,
IBM quickly gaining over 70% of the PC market which quickly expanded
due to some clever advertsing including unhead of before tv
commericals to pitch computers to Joe Average.

That was just the beginning. Because IBM used open architecture
several new companies sprang up overnight all offering IBM PC clones.
This of course drove the market and many new intovations quickly
followed. Shortly after there were over a 100 companies offering
personal computers. Two remain today, Dell and Gateway. Other major
players over the years have also joined the race, many others got
their foot in the door but didn't stick around long and for reasons
never really explained IBM in spite of their initial success never
really got serious about developing their PC line, one top executive
admitting they thought the personal computer was just a passing fad.
That probably is one of the biggest blunders in modern business
history considering how the personal computer market has grown where
today most households have at least one PC, many two or three which
PC's now found in nearly every country in the world.

So sorry, your view of history regarding personal computers is very
distorted. Nearly overnight since IBM jumped into the picture PC
clones have had almost 95% of the market and Apple has never recovered
from the early glory days that only last a few years.

Mac freaks are a special bunch. Loyal for sure, also fatanical, but
they are also a tiny minority and will so remain. Its a Windows world,
so sorry to burst your bubble Bubba.

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:26:26 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:

Bob wrote:

Mr. Landry, apparently you haven't been inside an Apple store lately.
The
one in the Annapolis Mall offers their Macs with dual operating
systems....OSX AND WIN XP. The whole reason for switching to INTEL was
to
enter the faster, more compliant platforms.

But Apple will never sell you one configured that way. They have no need
for Windows. That's just a working demo for the Windows users so they
can feel comfortable while they make the switch to a more modern OS.

Windows is basically seen as "Utility Software" by the Mac community.
It's rarely needed anymore, but some old timers keep it around for
nostalgia.


That's what I said about my orignial mint condition TRS-80 from Radio
Shack. A Mac very much reminds of that. The Mac community is basically
cooks, fools and wild eyed zealots that don't know any better.

http://www.weller.to/wcc/trs/wcctani__01l.jpg


If everyone could get over this argument it would be good. We know PC stands
for Personal Computer and Mac stands for Mothers And Children and they both
serve those separate fields well. Mothers And Children can learn to type on
a keyboard and get that experience before owning a real computer, a PC. So,
as you can see, a Mac serves a purpose.

Hogwash. It works just fine with Usenet.

yes, but you aren't using a "real" newsreader, you are using Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.0 which isn't designed to work with Usenet.

"Darkelldar" wrote:

how so? OSX has been tested much longer than Windows, it dates back to
the early 70's before Microsoft was even around... follow the Unix
history chart back... follow the OSX line back and you'll see Windows
doesn't even compare in terms of being "battle tested" more than OSX.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/

If OXS is such a fantastic OS why is there not an IBM PC version out there
? Sould kick MS's butt according to you.

The IBM "compatible" market is in shambles. It's not the sort of
hardware mix you would want to put a high end OS on. A good 40% of the
problems Windows users deal with is that they may have saved $40 on a PC
from HP or Dell... over buying a Mac from Apple, but they have spent
$400 in time and stress to clear up problems Apple doesn't allow to
happen in the first place.

In other words, Apple would never stoup to the poor quality standards of
IBM "compatibles", it just doesn't make sense from a user's perspective.

Yes, releasing OSX would shake the entire computing world, but over
time, it's possible that without A LOT of control over the hardware,
everyone would be back to the same mess PC users are stuck with now.

Basically, Apple is like the old... AT&T / Ma Bell... they sell you the
Phone, AND everything to make it work properly on the network. It's a
much better system IF you value your time and you are smart with money.

If NOT, you buy a Windows based PC and suffer. It's really that simple.

Ted Landry wrote:
Ron Miller wrote:

yeah, much of it is because they are still clinging to outlook as their
email program and microsoft choose the wrong default behavior for
newsgroups in outlook so they don't understand they are doing it wrong.

it's just another inept mistake by microsoft that ruins how a system
should work. for "email" top posting makes sense... since you are
usually dealing with only one author... but when you get into "groups",
you have to bottom post or it doesn't work.

so sad, ms is making fools of these newbies
This is getting a little creepy. There is just no end to the
foolishness in which you're willing to indulge, is there?
I'm beginning to think that you may be frankly psychotic, bipolar
perhaps, maybe paranoid schizophrenic. You're on heavy doses of
multiple drugs just to make it through the day, aren't you? I'd like to
think you could be helped, but personality disorders are notoriously
difficult to treat. If I'm wrong about the codeable psychiatric
diagnoses, there's still something very, very wrong with you.

Go away, you repulsive troll. We don't care where you go; just vanish.
It's not that anyone here is afraid to hear what you're saying. It's
just that you're a blathering fool with no more credibility than the
slugs in my garden.

not sure what most of your message is trying to convey, but at least you
know how to bottom-post, congrats Ron!

If you're so intent on repressing your problems that you can't
understand what I was "trying to convey" here in extremely graphic and
straightforward language, then I guess I was right; your psychoneurosis
is severe.
Again, if you have even a trace of decency in you, you'll stop posting
here. If you EVER had a single constructive thing to add to these
discussions, you'd be welcomed, but you never do. Your approach is
infantile in the extreme.

"ace_away" wrote:

Hogwash. It works just fine with Usenet.

yes, but you aren't using a "real" newsreader, you are using Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.0 which isn't designed to work with Usenet.

if it works, then why did you just top-post?

see... it DOESN'T work, you just made an error, all because you are
using "Outlook", a program that doesn't operate correctly on Usenet.

please learn about Usenet... it's not EMAIL!

It's an entirely different system.... you are being a fool for
suggesting otherwise, BUT just don't know it yet... in the years to come
you'll remember me, and go "gosh, that guy was right!"

you can learn about how to correctly post to USENET he

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Etiquette/

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:31:33 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:

"Darkelldar" wrote:

how so? OSX has been tested much longer than Windows, it dates back to
the early 70's before Microsoft was even around... follow the Unix
history chart back... follow the OSX line back and you'll see Windows
doesn't even compare in terms of being "battle tested" more than OSX.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/

If OXS is such a fantastic OS why is there not an IBM PC version out there
? Sould kick MS's butt according to you.

The IBM "compatible" market is in shambles.

So in your moronic estimation having over 90% of the personal computer
market means IBM clones are in shambles. Interesting spin, but
obviously you have no concept of reality.

It's not the sort of hardware mix you would want to put a high end OS on.

There is nothing "high end" about OSX. For Pete's sake is mostly a
UNIX clone. Its been around for decades. You truly are a dummy.

A good 40% of the problems Windows users deal with is that they may have saved $40 on a PC
from HP or Dell... over buying a Mac from Apple, but they have spent
$400 in time and stress to clear up problems Apple doesn't allow to
happen in the first place.

More BS. Macs have just as many problems as Windows do. If they had 10
times the customers like the Windows platform does, changes are people
would find ten times more problems.

You can argue that Macs have some good points and they do. However the
typical Mac troll and that's all you are, hasn't and can't seem to be
objective. So you're one sided cheerleading while sticking your head
in the sand and ignoring all the negative things about Macs makes you
sound foolish.

In other words, Apple would never stoup to the poor quality standards of
IBM "compatibles", it just doesn't make sense from a user's perspective.

Some dope such as yourself playing games on a Mac which is likely the
limit of your computer "expertise" trying to lecture people that use
their PC's for serious business purposes is laughable, but at times
I'll admit amusing. If you enjoy making a ass of yourself, please
continue. I can always use a chuckle or two and the Mac trolls provide
that.

"Ted Landry" wrote in message
...
"ace_away" wrote:

Hogwash. It works just fine with Usenet.

yes, but you aren't using a "real" newsreader, you are using Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.0 which isn't designed to work with Usenet.

if it works, then why did you just top-post?

see... it DOESN'T work, you just made an error, all because you are
using "Outlook", a program that doesn't operate correctly on Usenet.

please learn about Usenet... it's not EMAIL!

It's an entirely different system.... you are being a fool for
suggesting otherwise, BUT just don't know it yet... in the years to come
you'll remember me, and go "gosh, that guy was right!"

you can learn about how to correctly post to USENET he

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Etiquette/

OE puts your cursor above what you're quoting because Outlook puts your
cursor above what you're quoting. Top posting is probably a good idea for
email, but I think it is a bad idea for a newsgroup. Putting your cursor
there isn't necessarily wrong though. Inline posting is better if there are
multiple specific points to respond to, which is easier if you start at the
top.

Adam Albright wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:25:14 -0700, Ted Landry wrote:

Adam Albright wrote:

That's what I said about my orignial mint condition TRS-80 from Radio
Shack. A Mac very much reminds of that. The Mac community is basically
cooks, fools and wild eyed zealots that don't know any better.

http://www.weller.to/wcc/trs/wcctani__01l.jpg
Nah, Macs are just the epicenter of the computer world, what Apple does,
everyone else follows. And that's been true for a little over 30 years.

You seem more delusional with each new post. The reality is nobody
follows Apple. They have been playing catch up from almost the
beginning and have got nowhere fast.

Steve Jobs has always been and remains a maverick. He made a classic
business model mistake that has stiffled Apple's growth and still does
today. Jobs being one of the all time greedy and most arrogant SOB's
in world history had some initial success foolishly decided early on
to go with a closed architecture supposedly to hog all the profits.
This meant no other company could offer any expansion cards, even hard
drives or monitors, not even keyboards. Everything had to be Apple and
so it remained for years.

Meanwhile, IBM had a team headed by Don Estridge at Boca Raton Fl
quickly design a "personal" computer. Being very experienced and use
to working for a giant corporation he quickly decided the only way to
go was to use tested vendor technology that was already mostly
standardized and most important; base IBM's personal computer on open
architecture.

Newsweek magazine quickly called the IBM PC "a roaring success," and
the New York Times said, "The speed and extent to which IBM has been
successful has surprised many people, including IBM itself."

The time was 1981 just a few years after Apple's introduction of a
personal computer and quickly lost most of what little market it had,
IBM quickly gaining over 70% of the PC market which quickly expanded
due to some clever advertsing including unhead of before tv
commericals to pitch computers to Joe Average.

That was just the beginning. Because IBM used open architecture
several new companies sprang up overnight all offering IBM PC clones.
This of course drove the market and many new intovations quickly
followed. Shortly after there were over a 100 companies offering
personal computers. Two remain today, Dell and Gateway. Other major
players over the years have also joined the race, many others got
their foot in the door but didn't stick around long and for reasons
never really explained IBM in spite of their initial success never
really got serious about developing their PC line, one top executive
admitting they thought the personal computer was just a passing fad.
That probably is one of the biggest blunders in modern business
history considering how the personal computer market has grown where
today most households have at least one PC, many two or three which
PC's now found in nearly every country in the world.

So sorry, your view of history regarding personal computers is very
distorted. Nearly overnight since IBM jumped into the picture PC
clones have had almost 95% of the market and Apple has never recovered
from the early glory days that only last a few years.

Mac freaks are a special bunch. Loyal for sure, also fatanical, but
they are also a tiny minority and will so remain. Its a Windows world,
so sorry to burst your bubble Bubba.



It's a windows world only to those who refuse to open their eyes. IBM
is starting an offering for businesses which helps windows, mac and
linux interoperate better:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/1594892.cms

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