All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine to an XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no mapping etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how to set up
back up from vista to XP home Please!

RichMc wrote:
All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine to an XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no mapping etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how to set up
back up from vista to XP home Please!

Create identical user accounts with passwords on both machines (or
simply assign an identical password on both machines if you have the
same user account name already). You can set up both machines to
automatically log in for convenience with control userpasswords 2
afterwards:

Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm


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Unfortunately, because of feature limitations in XP Home, it cannot be used
as the target of a backup.

Quoth the people who do backup,
"A network share on a computer running Windows XP Home Edition is not
supported as a backup location because this edition does not support setting
permissions on the shares, nor does it support authenticating as a specific
account over the network."

For more info, see
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...27/458871.aspx.

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine to an XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the
network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any
passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no mapping etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how to set
up
back up from vista to XP home Please!

WHY AM I NOT SUPRISED looks like another attempt by the Gates mafia to force
all my machines to Vista, yes its another downgrade feature of vista, not to
backup to XP home why dont microsoft go from WOW to F***ED for there slogan?
Wish I never bought the bunch of C**P!

"Michael A. Bishop (MSFT)" wrote:

Unfortunately, because of feature limitations in XP Home, it cannot be used
as the target of a backup.

Quoth the people who do backup,
"A network share on a computer running Windows XP Home Edition is not
supported as a backup location because this edition does not support setting
permissions on the shares, nor does it support authenticating as a specific
account over the network."

For more info, see
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...27/458871.aspx.

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine to an XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the
network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any
passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no mapping etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how to set
up
back up from vista to XP home Please!

The backups are created and ACLed to the account of the user you specify.
The recommendation is that this be a dedicated backup user to limit access
to the files further, though that's not required. In XP Home, the security
model is very loose -- a writable shared file is completely open to anyone
with network connectivity to that computer. That's not a good place to put
a backup; either put it somewhere that's not shared or somewhere that can
enforce permissions. We similarly don't support Samba v2 for security
reasons, even though that makes backup incompatible with a number of older
NAS devices -- but we do support Samba v3, because it offers sufficient
security. Even XP Pro doesn't have good security on shares by default, but
it can be configured to do so, and thus is supported once configured.

This is not an attempt to force you into an upgrade; it's an attempt not to
compound a previous mistake by continuing to do the wrong thing simply
because we did it before. I agree that it's frustrating, but the backup
team made the decision and I'm not at all convinced they were wrong. (Even
if I were, that's not my area, so convincing me doesn't buy you much.)

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
WHY AM I NOT SUPRISED looks like another attempt by the Gates mafia to
force
all my machines to Vista, yes its another downgrade feature of vista, not
to
backup to XP home why dont microsoft go from WOW to F***ED for there
slogan?
Wish I never bought the bunch of C**P!

"Michael A. Bishop (MSFT)" wrote:

Unfortunately, because of feature limitations in XP Home, it cannot be
used
as the target of a backup.

Quoth the people who do backup,
"A network share on a computer running Windows XP Home Edition is not
supported as a backup location because this edition does not support
setting
permissions on the shares, nor does it support authenticating as a
specific
account over the network."

For more info, see
http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...27/458871.aspx.

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine to an
XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the
network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any
passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no mapping
etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how to
set
up
back up from vista to XP home Please!

Arrrh, original solution write up got lost in the form submission! So
here goes, but shorter this time.

Wanted to backup mum's Vista Home Premium laptop to a hidden partition
on dad's XP Home desktop. Got annoyed after spending ages setting up
desktop to find that Vista Backup & Restore wouldn't backup to XP Home,
so got this workaround going (might be a bit patchy, haven't tested it
much).

On XP machine:

- Create same user as the Vista user (same username and password) -
make them an administrator.

- Log in as that user.

- Create folder or partition where you want to store the backups (has
to be on NTFS partition)

- Uncover the security tab ('How Do I See the Security tab in XP Home?'
(http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_home_sectab.htm))

- Reboot the computer and log in as the same user

- Run "shrpubw" from the run box (start menu or WinKey+r) which should
start the "Create A Shared Folder Wizard":
- Click Next;
- Select folder to share, enter share name (I kept it simple - short
with no spaces etc), description if you like, click Next;
- Select Customize permissions, click Custom...;
- Click Add, type in username, Click OK, tick all Allow boxes for the
user;
- Select Security tab, Click Add, type in username, Click OK, tick all
Allow boxes for the user and "CREATOR OWNER" (I did for all entries,
just to make sure), Click Advanced;
- Select Owner tab, select the user from "Change owner to:", tick
"Replace owner..." (if you want), click Apply, click OK;
- Click OK;
- Click Next;
- Click Finish.

This should be all for the XP machine.

On the Vista machine:

- Go to Backup & Restore, change Backup settings, select the network
share, it will ask for username and password - enter username only
("bob") not machine name ("computer/bob") and the password. This should
let you through to the page to select what you want to back up. Click
through. If it doesn't start a backup automatically, start one manually.

If it works, great! If it stops quite early on you may need to change
the registry as according to TexRyker on 'Vista Backup and Restore
center will not backup to Network Location'
(http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...-be1fe1151e04/)
post dated: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:07 PM. Basically:
- backup registry
- search for "LmCompatibilityLevel" until it comes up on right hand
pane and change value to 2
- repeat search until you have replaced all instances in registry
(twice for me)
- reboot...
- try backup again, and hope!

This is a rather condensed version of what I did, but hopefully all
I've missed out was muddling around that didn't affect anything.

There are also, potentially, many places where it could go wrong... not
sure what happens when someone other than the user is logged into XP
machine (or Vista machine for that matter), or if it actually remembers
the password, or if this was just a fluke and will never work again...

Been a while since I've used Windows (moved to Linux a while ago, and
would dearly love my parents too as well!) so any
advice/experience/feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Good luck!

If anyone knows of a good, free incremental backup system that would
work across vista and XP, I'd love to hear about it!


Michael A. Bishop \(MSFT\);192517 Wrote:
The backups are created and ACLed to the account of the user you
specify.
The recommendation is that this be a dedicated backup user to limit
access
to the files further, though that's not required. In XP Home, the
security
model is very loose -- a writable shared file is completely open to
anyone
with network connectivity to that computer. That's not a good place to
put
a backup; either put it somewhere that's not shared or somewhere that
can
enforce permissions. We similarly don't support Samba v2 for security
reasons, even though that makes backup incompatible with a number of
older
NAS devices -- but we do support Samba v3, because it offers sufficient
security. Even XP Pro doesn't have good security on shares by default,
but
it can be configured to do so, and thus is supported once configured.

This is not an attempt to force you into an upgrade; it's an attempt
not to
compound a previous mistake by continuing to do the wrong thing simply
because we did it before. I agree that it's frustrating, but the
backup
team made the decision and I'm not at all convinced they were wrong.
(Even
if I were, that's not my area, so convincing me doesn't buy you much.)

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
WHY AM I NOT SUPRISED looks like another attempt by the Gates mafia
to
force
all my machines to Vista, yes its another downgrade feature of vista,
not
to
backup to XP home why dont microsoft go from WOW to F***ED for there
slogan?
Wish I never bought the bunch of C**P!

"Michael A. Bishop (MSFT)" wrote:

Unfortunately, because of feature limitations in XP Home, it cannot
be
used
as the target of a backup.

Quoth the people who do backup,
"A network share on a computer running Windows XP Home Edition is
not
supported as a backup location because this edition does not support
setting
permissions on the shares, nor does it support authenticating as a
specific
account over the network."

For more info, see
'The Storage Team at Microsoft - File Cabinet Blog : Using network
shares as targets for the file-based Backup tool in Windows Vista'
(http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/arc...7/458871.aspx).

"RichMc" wrote in message
...
All I want to do is file backup from a Vista home premium machine
to an
XP
home machine via a simple home network I can find the drive on the
network,
it then asks for a password, The XP machine is set up without any
passwords,
I type in an arbitary one and get a not unexpected error no
mapping
etc...
As a PC pleb can anyone post a step by step instruction as to how
to
set
up
back up from vista to XP home Please!




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