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I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP
PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on
a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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Thanks for that helpful reply. I had hoped that the share name was the key
here and not the drive letter and this morning made sure that the share names in XP and Vista are the same. Now I have achieved a breakthrough and can see and open three drives on the PC in Vista mode from the XP laptop. I share-named the Vista drive "Vista" and the XP drive "XP". Unfortunately the share names "\\Main\Vista" and "\\Main\XP" both open the same physical drive, the XP drive. There must be a logical explanation for this, but for the moment I cannot see it. Thanks again for your comments and I will follow your suggestions. "jimmuh" wrote: I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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I'm somewhat confused about the exact configuration of your dual boot system,
so I'm not able to offer a specific suggestion. It may be helpful to be sure you keep separate the idea of a drive name and a system name. The "drive" name itself should not matter, unless you are sharing the entire drive (something I really wouldn't recommend for a system drive). Are you saying that in both Windows XP and in Windows Vista the system has the name "Main", and that the share is "share"? If so, then I wouldn't understand why you were seeing the issue you're seeing. But if the situation is something else, then the most precise description you can give of that configuration in both operating systems may be helpful in providing the information someone needs to help you along a little bit more. "AliGator" wrote: Thanks for that helpful reply. I had hoped that the share name was the key here and not the drive letter and this morning made sure that the share names in XP and Vista are the same. Now I have achieved a breakthrough and can see and open three drives on the PC in Vista mode from the XP laptop. I share-named the Vista drive "Vista" and the XP drive "XP". Unfortunately the share names "\\Main\Vista" and "\\Main\XP" both open the same physical drive, the XP drive. There must be a logical explanation for this, but for the moment I cannot see it. Thanks again for your comments and I will follow your suggestions. "jimmuh" wrote: I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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Update on last posting:
The logical explanation is that in my trial and error efforts at getting shared drives to display on the network I had unwittingly given each drive more than one share name. Once I realised this and corrected it everything dropped into place. "AliGator" wrote: Thanks for that helpful reply. I had hoped that the share name was the key here and not the drive letter and this morning made sure that the share names in XP and Vista are the same. Now I have achieved a breakthrough and can see and open three drives on the PC in Vista mode from the XP laptop. I share-named the Vista drive "Vista" and the XP drive "XP". Unfortunately the share names "\\Main\Vista" and "\\Main\XP" both open the same physical drive, the XP drive. There must be a logical explanation for this, but for the moment I cannot see it. Thanks again for your comments and I will follow your suggestions. "jimmuh" wrote: I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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OUT-cotton-pickin'-STANDING!
Congratulations! "AliGator" wrote: Update on last posting: The logical explanation is that in my trial and error efforts at getting shared drives to display on the network I had unwittingly given each drive more than one share name. Once I realised this and corrected it everything dropped into place. "AliGator" wrote: Thanks for that helpful reply. I had hoped that the share name was the key here and not the drive letter and this morning made sure that the share names in XP and Vista are the same. Now I have achieved a breakthrough and can see and open three drives on the PC in Vista mode from the XP laptop. I share-named the Vista drive "Vista" and the XP drive "XP". Unfortunately the share names "\\Main\Vista" and "\\Main\XP" both open the same physical drive, the XP drive. There must be a logical explanation for this, but for the moment I cannot see it. Thanks again for your comments and I will follow your suggestions. "jimmuh" wrote: I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |
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Thanks jimmuh.
For the record I ended up using different share names in Vista and XP, but will experiment with common share names. Security-wise I am the sole user of both machines on my home network and find it easier to find things if all drives are fully shared. "jimmuh" wrote: OUT-cotton-pickin'-STANDING! Congratulations! "AliGator" wrote: Update on last posting: The logical explanation is that in my trial and error efforts at getting shared drives to display on the network I had unwittingly given each drive more than one share name. Once I realised this and corrected it everything dropped into place. "AliGator" wrote: Thanks for that helpful reply. I had hoped that the share name was the key here and not the drive letter and this morning made sure that the share names in XP and Vista are the same. Now I have achieved a breakthrough and can see and open three drives on the PC in Vista mode from the XP laptop. I share-named the Vista drive "Vista" and the XP drive "XP". Unfortunately the share names "\\Main\Vista" and "\\Main\XP" both open the same physical drive, the XP drive. There must be a logical explanation for this, but for the moment I cannot see it. Thanks again for your comments and I will follow your suggestions. "jimmuh" wrote: I doubt that the drive letter switching has anything to do with it. Shares on a network are (or at least should be) designated via a universal naming convention consisting of the name of the host machine and the name of the share, as in -- \\host\share -- so the drive letter just doesn't enter into it. I'm thinking maybe the way that Vista shares files being different from the way WinXP does it may be what's causing your issue? Vista doesn't use Simple File Sharing the way the WinXP does. You might look into that. Also, considering the fact that you're dual booting Vista and WinXP, I hope you're aware of the Shadow File Copy issues invovled in such an arrangement. WinXP's system restore doesn't play nicely with Vista's. Hope you find a solution! "AliGator" wrote: I have just installed an ADSL modem/router for a friend, who is running an XP PC and a Vista PC and everything works on the resultant network. As ever, firewall settings were at the root of most of the problems. So I know from personal experience (and from reading some of the threads in this group) that a mixed OS network, including Vista, can work. Now, consider this: I have a dual-boot desktop PC with three hard drives XP-SP2 Home on C:, Vista Home Premium on D: and the third drive E: reserved mainly for multimedia file storage. I also have a laptop, running XP-SP2 Home, which handles all the day to day routine workload. Both machines are connected to an ADSL modem/router, the laptop by wireless and the PC by Ethernet. The dual-boot setup ensures that the drive holding the currently active OS is always designated 'C:'. I thought this was rather a neat feature at first and it suits me fine, but it sure as Hell confuses the network. In XP mode everything is fine and 2-way communication between the PC and the laptop and the Internet works perfectly. When the PC is in Vista mode, however, the laptop cannot see the shared drives or any shared folders on the PC, but there is no problem at the PC end and it has full access to the laptop's C: drive and Internet. I think it is obvious that while I can cope with D: becoming C: and C: becoming D: when switching from XP mode to Vista mode the network can't. Does anyone know of a way round this or should I give in and drop the 'neat' feature? The Workgroup name is MSHOME on both machines and in both modes. The computer name on the dual-boot machine is obviously the same in both modes but I cannot use the same share name for the two 'C:' drives, if you follow me. Is this the problem? There are some in this discussion group who may be interested to know that as a temporary measure I used a crossover cable and ICS on my friend's machines to allow the new Vista machine access to the Internet. No problems once the firewall settings had been sorted. |