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I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was
requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my
"Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Good to hear you solved the problem. And thanks for moving your question
here for others to see. Jill -- This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Want to learn more about Windows file and storage technologies? Visit our team blog at http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/default.aspx. "rmwestbrook" wrote in message ... After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty
bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Aaron,
My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Greetings Shubhankar,
I can confirm that was the case for many of the files causing the issue -- they showed as 0 bytes when viewing the cache via the shell extension. In some cases, however, the file was fully available in the cache with its data populated but I had either renamed it or the folder containg it directly from the server. I don't recall whether those cases showed with the X overlay or not in Explorer when I reconnected the client, but I think I remember being able to still access the data at the old location even though it no longer existed. Trying to sync or remove them resulted in the access denied error. I've since had to manually remove the CSC folder because that seemed to be the only way to get rid of the problem files and fully reinitialize the cache. This goes without saying, but I'd really like to be able to use the feature, and due to the blocking severity of this issue, a hotfix would obviously be preferred over waiting for Vista's first service pack. I hope you can help. Thanks, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Aaron, My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Thanks for the responses everyone! This morning I have three files that are
failing to sync again due and are reporting the "Access Denied" error. Every time we try to sync it will create another copy of the three files with the "GUID like #.tmp". This error behavior has me concerned. When all of our computers are on Vista this could fill up our file share quickly if everyone’s computer started making the .tmp files. I'm going to try renaming them again once I get a time setup to work on this laptop again. Please let me know if there is anything else I can check to figure out what is causing this to happen. Thanks, Ryan. "Aaron Oneal" wrote: Greetings Shubhankar, I can confirm that was the case for many of the files causing the issue -- they showed as 0 bytes when viewing the cache via the shell extension. In some cases, however, the file was fully available in the cache with its data populated but I had either renamed it or the folder containg it directly from the server. I don't recall whether those cases showed with the X overlay or not in Explorer when I reconnected the client, but I think I remember being able to still access the data at the old location even though it no longer existed. Trying to sync or remove them resulted in the access denied error. I've since had to manually remove the CSC folder because that seemed to be the only way to get rid of the problem files and fully reinitialize the cache. This goes without saying, but I'd really like to be able to use the feature, and due to the blocking severity of this issue, a hotfix would obviously be preferred over waiting for Vista's first service pack. I hope you can help. Thanks, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Aaron, My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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I just changed the share permission on my server from "Change" to "Full
Control" for this user group and the three errors cleared up. Thanks to Shubhankar for the tip. I'm not exactly sure why it did not work with "Change" permission though. I'll let ya'll know if any errors come back. Thanks. "rmwestbrook" wrote: Thanks for the responses everyone! This morning I have three files that are failing to sync again due and are reporting the "Access Denied" error. Every time we try to sync it will create another copy of the three files with the "GUID like #.tmp". This error behavior has me concerned. When all of our computers are on Vista this could fill up our file share quickly if everyone’s computer started making the .tmp files. I'm going to try renaming them again once I get a time setup to work on this laptop again. Please let me know if there is anything else I can check to figure out what is causing this to happen. Thanks, Ryan. "Aaron Oneal" wrote: Greetings Shubhankar, I can confirm that was the case for many of the files causing the issue -- they showed as 0 bytes when viewing the cache via the shell extension. In some cases, however, the file was fully available in the cache with its data populated but I had either renamed it or the folder containg it directly from the server. I don't recall whether those cases showed with the X overlay or not in Explorer when I reconnected the client, but I think I remember being able to still access the data at the old location even though it no longer existed. Trying to sync or remove them resulted in the access denied error. I've since had to manually remove the CSC folder because that seemed to be the only way to get rid of the problem files and fully reinitialize the cache. This goes without saying, but I'd really like to be able to use the feature, and due to the blocking severity of this issue, a hotfix would obviously be preferred over waiting for Vista's first service pack. I hope you can help. Thanks, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Aaron, My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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Hi Aaron,
It sounds like you do have ghosts and that is what is causing the issues- problems deleting cache entries and errors syncing server modified files, when the files are ghosts on the client. Both are bugs that we know about and that we have fixed/will fix. Unfortunately, I don't have information yet about when or how the fixes will be released. I shall let you know when I know more. As a short term solution, you might try using manually cached files instead of auto-cached files. So you would make the shares/folders available explicitly by either manually (rt click-always available offline) or through a group policy. Pending the fixes, this would alleviate your problems. Thanks for trying out offline files and reporting the issues. Hope this helps, Shubhankar "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Greetings Shubhankar, I can confirm that was the case for many of the files causing the issue -- they showed as 0 bytes when viewing the cache via the shell extension. In some cases, however, the file was fully available in the cache with its data populated but I had either renamed it or the folder containg it directly from the server. I don't recall whether those cases showed with the X overlay or not in Explorer when I reconnected the client, but I think I remember being able to still access the data at the old location even though it no longer existed. Trying to sync or remove them resulted in the access denied error. I've since had to manually remove the CSC folder because that seemed to be the only way to get rid of the problem files and fully reinitialize the cache. This goes without saying, but I'd really like to be able to use the feature, and due to the blocking severity of this issue, a hotfix would obviously be preferred over waiting for Vista's first service pack. I hope you can help. Thanks, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Aaron, My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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I've been a long time user of offline files, so this was an unfortunate
regression for me after the upgrade to Vista. Fortunately I am able to configure most of my shares for manual caching as an interim solution. After some limited testing, it appears to be performing the synchronizations correctly. I am looking forward to those fixes, however, so I can once again take advantage of the performance and availability benefits auto-caching provides. I would appreciate knowing more about the fixes and the timeframe when the information is available. Thank you, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Hi Aaron, It sounds like you do have ghosts and that is what is causing the issues- problems deleting cache entries and errors syncing server modified files, when the files are ghosts on the client. Both are bugs that we know about and that we have fixed/will fix. Unfortunately, I don't have information yet about when or how the fixes will be released. I shall let you know when I know more. As a short term solution, you might try using manually cached files instead of auto-cached files. So you would make the shares/folders available explicitly by either manually (rt click-always available offline) or through a group policy. Pending the fixes, this would alleviate your problems. Thanks for trying out offline files and reporting the issues. Hope this helps, Shubhankar "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Greetings Shubhankar, I can confirm that was the case for many of the files causing the issue -- they showed as 0 bytes when viewing the cache via the shell extension. In some cases, however, the file was fully available in the cache with its data populated but I had either renamed it or the folder containg it directly from the server. I don't recall whether those cases showed with the X overlay or not in Explorer when I reconnected the client, but I think I remember being able to still access the data at the old location even though it no longer existed. Trying to sync or remove them resulted in the access denied error. I've since had to manually remove the CSC folder because that seemed to be the only way to get rid of the problem files and fully reinitialize the cache. This goes without saying, but I'd really like to be able to use the feature, and due to the blocking severity of this issue, a hotfix would obviously be preferred over waiting for Vista's first service pack. I hope you can help. Thanks, Aaron "Shubhankar Sanyal [MSFT]" wrote: Aaron, My apologies for not responding to your blog comments earlier. I have pasted the comment here and will try to respond to them: All three issues you have mentioned here seem to point to the existance of "ghosts" on your system. Ghosts are files/directories for which you have entries in your cache, but their data has not yet been filled in. This could happen if you access one of many files on an autocached share while online. In this case, the file you did access while online would be available online, but all the other files in the share would be ghosts while offline. You should be able to make them out in the UI because their icons will be grayed out and will have an icon overlay shaped like an 'X.' Additionally you would not be able to open these items while offline. Please let me know if you see these ghosts on your system inside the shares/directories in question, when you encounter the issues you reported. Thanks, Shubhankar "I've really been looking forward to the enhancements to Offline Files in Vista. But, I seem to have run into a couple problems preventing me from using the feature and I'd really appreciate some help. I'm working with shares of an XP SP2 machine with caching set to "Automatic caching of documents". This allowed my Vista Business workstation to automatically cache files from the share when accessed. After doing this, I have encountered three issues. Issue #1: When I go to the Offline Files applet in the Control Panel, I can see the files are correctly filling up against the Temporary offline files. When I click "Delete Temporary Files..." I receive the expected dialogs telling me it's clearing the space and completes successfully. However, the bar doesn't move, the same amount of space is still allocated when the deletion completes, and the files still seem to be available offline. Basically, the button has no practical effect and no space is reclaimed. Issue #2: While offline, I moved some folders on the XP machine. When I reconnected with Vista and tried to sync, I received numerous errors all from the folder location that was moved saying "Unable to sync at this time. Please try again." I made no changes to the files while offline. Now I understand some changes were made to this feature to support shares going offline inside of a DFS root, but these are just sub-folders inside of a regular share -- why doesn't it realize the subfolder has been removed and update the namespace accordingly? More importantly, how can I keep this from happening and how can I correct it now that it has (as in, make the sync errors to the non-existent directory stop)? Issue #3: From the General tab of the same applet, I clicked "View your offline files" and navigated to the share giving me trouble. Inside, I was able to see all of my folders Online except for the cached copy of the one I had moved -- it was marked Offline (need to sync). Well, I wanted to delete it from the cache since it had been moved on the server. So, I right-clicked and selected "Delete Offline Copy". I was greeted with, "Completed deleting offline copes." Yet, the cached folder was still listed -- no change. So to sum up, why doesn't it recognize a moved folder in this situation, and why can't I delete anything from the offline files cache? I have reproduced this on two different Vista installations. I can completely clear the cache and start over, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again." "Aaron Oneal" wrote in message ... Chances are, you're going to encounter this again. There seems to be a nasty bug (which I reported to the same blog) that prevents Offline Files from dealing with renamed or deleted files while offline. Meaning, take your Vista machine offline, go rename or delete a file or folder in the share, and then try to reconnect and sync. You'll be greeted by those Access Denied errors. The workaround is just what you discovered -- rename back to the old name, sync (or go online), and then perform the rename again. With deleted files, you have to create a dummy file at the original location, go online, and then remove it again. Basically, this bug makes synchronizing impossible (for my environment anyway) since one of the main points to "Offline Files" is actually being able to go offline and reconcile the changes when you come back online. Clearly it's not operating as advertised. One can only hope Microsoft will provide a solution for us soon so we can stop limping along with this broken behavior. I was really looking forward to the improvements for Offline Files in Vista (since the XP implementation had its own issues), but instead I've ended up with less functionality. One more gotcha to watch out for -- you have to disable UAC (or perform some creative elevation exploits) to delete files from the cache, otherwise it just silently fails and your allocated space doesn't change. Additionally, you have to be online and the file has to exist at the original share or it still won't delete it from the cache. Very frustrating. More so considering 5 months since RTM and still no fix. "rmwestbrook" wrote: After a few hours of troubleshooting today. I was able to work around my "Access Denied" errors. I had to rename the files before syncing, then after a sucessfull sync I changed the name back. After performing that process for each file with an error I was able to delete all the {GUID}.tmp files and they did not come back after several full syncs. "rmwestbrook" wrote: I posted these questions below on the Vista team blog earlier today, but was requested that I post them here instead. I’ve been having some problems with Offline files on a Vista Ultimate laptop that is connected to our Windows 2003 R2 server. We have about 20GB of data in the share that is being synchronized. I have the following questions: 1) We keep having {GUID like #}.tmp files appearing on the share after a sync. What exactly are these files and why are they created? 2) About fifteen files are giving an error in the sync center and all it says is “Access Denied”. I’ve verified that our user has full control to this location. I think this is probably tied into my first question somehow. Why does this happen? I’ve ran across a couple of other boards about Oplocks being disabled that might possibly cause this, but I have not modified this setting on the server and it looks like they are still on. I’ve rebuilt the entire cache once and it worked for a day or two and then started giving these “Access Denied” errors again. 3) When you disable Offline files in the Control Panel why is the CSC folder not automatically deleted? If it is disabled I would think it should wipe out that data in the cache, if nothing else to free up space and enhance security. Not to mention it will quickly become obsolete. It also makes it a lot harder to clear the cache. 4) Why does the sync center not count an automatic sync on the status under the last sync was performed on x/x/xxxx? Why does the sync center icon not animate when an automatic sync is in progress? It also appears that if errors occur during an automatic sync they are not reported on the sync center system tray icon. 5) Is it still a good idea to schedule a sync even though it automatically syncs when you are back online? Thanks for your help with these questions. I’ve been kind of puzzled about these issues we have been seeing. I really like the improvements over XP though and see great promise in them. |
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