On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:30:37 +0300, "kirk jim" wrote:

I my opinion the best search that Microsoft EVER HAD was on windows 98...

WinME's search was the last one that I felt I could trust, out of the
box with default settings.

Ever since then, the seach will omit items unless you fiddle with
settings. In XP, it will not include hidden and system files, even if
you've set Explorer to show such things (IOW it doesn't take its cue
from those settings, you have to change settings details for every
search as they aren't persistent either).

Vista's search looks good, but it's useless to me if I cannot trust
the results. I need to know that EVERY occurance of whatever I'm
searching for, has been found. I can't be sure of that in Vista, not
only due to stale indexes, but due to tricky syntax etc.

I generally know where my files are, and what they are called.

When I search, it is usually to make sure there aren't duplicates I
need to be careful of (e.g. "search for all *.PST"), or to manage
..DLLs, or to ensure known malware files really were deleted, or that
hi-risk files are not present within my data set ("search *.exe *.scr
*.com *.cmd *.cpl *.bat *.pif ...etc.")

I hardly ever search on content; it's nearly always filenames,
wildcard filenames, and a series of such wildcards. If something is
trying to hide from me, I particularly want to find it (that's why I'm
searching for it, DUH). I don't want the OS colluding with whatever
it is that may be trying to hide from me.

Is it safe to kill the indexing service, or does the system "need" it?



------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
The most accurate diagnostic instrument
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

This is an extremely dodgy search system. Even folders and file that I
deleted weeks ago show up when I search. This is quite useless to me when I
am searching. I am beginning to think that all the resources that the
indexing uses up is not worth having. It cannot even return accurate search
results.

"Martin Racette" wrote:

Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they belong
so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those files in both
the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where those files
were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into the new
folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
So how do we fix it? When I search, I get results for files and folders that
were deleted weeks ago. Not good enough. I may as well turn indexing off. It
is taxing my resources for no gain.

Hmm, it should have automatically adjusted the index. If not, the only way
I know is to tell Vista to rebuild the index.

Joe

"Protocol" wrote in message
...


"Martin Racette" wrote:

Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I installed
VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files, which is great, but
about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not place some files where they
belong
so I moved them, but now when I use the Search, it find those files in
both
the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where those
files
were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into the new
folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
So how do we fix it? When I search, I get results for files and folders
that
were deleted weeks ago. Not good enough. I may as well turn indexing off.
It
is taxing my resources for no gain.

Dear Martin,

Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was it
idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via Control
Panel?

As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from the
indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and your files
were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to Modify..., all
users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more - create it first. If
it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen the dialog and uncheck.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same
search as before and it still find the files in both location

BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using the
TAG attribute to search those files

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt
when I did perform searches

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your alter-ego,
please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is
definitly
not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event
viewer?
It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or you
can
Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event Viewer
(Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search
events
only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check
"Search"
under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events.

2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates an
entry
in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History. Its
entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and Search
Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a
memory
snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our server.
Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and send
me
the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's going
on.
Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal
internal
state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I
won't
be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be an
extra
entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the
problem".
You can email them to me directly.

There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues, but
they
are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to try
and find a way to fix this

BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so far
over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista
installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email and
lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it. Unless
your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't matter
either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other
downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in principle
it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes about 3 days to
rebuild my index, that should be fairly representative of a move
performance, and in my opinion it's not too bad. And yes you can opt
out. Open Indexing Options control panel, Modify..., Show all
locations, uncheck everything and click OK, done. Although I can't
imagine my work without being able to search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure out
what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for the
next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great start. I
don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need one that is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" wrote in message
...
I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of
other downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those
changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many
files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also slows
the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if not weeks,
and gives you erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it.
Not turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" wrote in message
...
The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in
about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed, it
took about 15 minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be
removed from the index then added to index to force the update if
you don't wish to wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files
from that folder to another folder, but the search still show those
files as being in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2, but they
no longer exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to
another he MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the
index was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the
same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" wrote in message
...
To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or
deleted, it must be recreated in the original location to be
removed from the index since it will remain in the index but not
in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote in
message ...
Give this a try:
Click Start type Indexing Options hit Enter click Modify
click Show All Locations expand C: and browse to the folder in
which the files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK
Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files,
which is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not
place some files where they belong so I moved them, but now when
I use the Search, it find those files in both the old and the
new folder. I did checked the old folder where those files were
before and they're not there anymore, they're really into the
new folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin











--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

Dear Cquirke,

It is very easy to hide from Vista Search, be that index or GREP. It's even
easier to hide from WDS. Not a chance they'll find a real, functional
rootkit. This isn't a bug, it's by design - the indexer isn't a security
feature, it's written to handle very different scenarios. I'd say you are
not using the right tool for the job. There are many specialized rootkit
removal tools, such as
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...tRevealer.mspx,
you are better off using them instead.

Regarding disabling the indexer - Windows it won't crash if you disable it,
but a few things (like search) might behave oddly. Consider using it for its
intended purpose, you might find it quite useful. If you are concerned with
the perf impact - you can always reduce the indexing scope using Indexing
Options in the Control Panel.

Thanks,
Ilia

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:30:37 +0300, "kirk jim" wrote:

I my opinion the best search that Microsoft EVER HAD was on windows 98...

WinME's search was the last one that I felt I could trust, out of the
box with default settings.

Ever since then, the seach will omit items unless you fiddle with
settings. In XP, it will not include hidden and system files, even if
you've set Explorer to show such things (IOW it doesn't take its cue
from those settings, you have to change settings details for every
search as they aren't persistent either).

Vista's search looks good, but it's useless to me if I cannot trust
the results. I need to know that EVERY occurance of whatever I'm
searching for, has been found. I can't be sure of that in Vista, not
only due to stale indexes, but due to tricky syntax etc.

I generally know where my files are, and what they are called.

When I search, it is usually to make sure there aren't duplicates I
need to be careful of (e.g. "search for all *.PST"), or to manage
.DLLs, or to ensure known malware files really were deleted, or that
hi-risk files are not present within my data set ("search *.exe *.scr
*.com *.cmd *.cpl *.bat *.pif ...etc.")

I hardly ever search on content; it's nearly always filenames,
wildcard filenames, and a series of such wildcards. If something is
trying to hide from me, I particularly want to find it (that's why I'm
searching for it, DUH). I don't want the OS colluding with whatever
it is that may be trying to hide from me.

Is it safe to kill the indexing service, or does the system "need" it?



------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
The most accurate diagnostic instrument
in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was it
idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via Control
Panel?

It is not nor was it a new location in the Index, the location is on another
HDD than the boot drive, and the state of the Indexing was IDLE


As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from the
indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and your files
were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to Modify..., all
users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more - create it first.
If it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen the dialog and
uncheck.

You're idea is not bad but in this case it would not work very well since I
still use the old location to put some new documents that do belong in that
location

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same
search as before and it still find the files in both location

BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using
the TAG attribute to search those files

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt
when I did perform searches

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your alter-ego,
please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is
definitly
not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event
viewer?
It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or you
can
Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event Viewer
(Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search
events
only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check
"Search"
under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events.

2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates an
entry
in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History. Its
entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and Search
Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a
memory
snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our server.
Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and
send me
the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's
going on.
Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal
internal
state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I
won't
be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be an
extra
entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the
problem".
You can email them to me directly.

There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues, but
they
are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to try
and find a way to fix this

BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so
far over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista
installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email
and lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it.
Unless your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't
matter either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other
downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in principle
it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes about 3 days to
rebuild my index, that should be fairly representative of a move
performance, and in my opinion it's not too bad. And yes you can opt
out. Open Indexing Options control panel, Modify..., Show all
locations, uncheck everything and click OK, done. Although I can't
imagine my work without being able to search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure out
what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for the
next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great start. I
don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need one that
is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" wrote in message
...
I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of
other downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those
changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many
files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also
slows the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if not
weeks, and gives you erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it.
Not turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" wrote in message
...
The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in
about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed,
it took about 15 minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be
removed from the index then added to index to force the update if
you don't wish to wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files
from that folder to another folder, but the search still show
those files as being in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2,
but they no longer exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to
another he MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the
index was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the
same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" wrote in message
...
To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or
deleted, it must be recreated in the original location to be
removed from the index since it will remain in the index but not
in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote in
message ...
Give this a try:
Click Start type Indexing Options hit Enter click Modify
click Show All Locations expand C: and browse to the folder in
which the files were previously located. Uncheck it, click OK
Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents files,
which is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I did not
place some files where they belong so I moved them, but now
when I use the Search, it find those files in both the old and
the new folder. I did checked the old folder where those files
were before and they're not there anymore, they're really into
the new folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin











--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

I'm sorry, but I'm not certan that I quite follow you. By default we only
index C:\Users. So you've had C:\Users and (say) D:\Data indexed, and the
indexer was idle. Then you moved D:\Data\Wrong\foo.txt to
D:\Data\Right\foo.txt, and now if you search for "foo" you find it in both
locations. Is that correct?

Is it easy to reproduce? If you create a new file in the "wrong" location
now and move it to the "right" one, will you get duplicates?

Also does the problem affect files of all types?

Well, it's not a fix, it's a workaround. It isn't perfect. Once the ghosts
has been removed, you can add the location back again, that will index the
new files.

Thank you for followin up on this,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was it
idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via Control
Panel?

It is not nor was it a new location in the Index, the location is on
another HDD than the boot drive, and the state of the Indexing was IDLE


As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from
the indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and your
files were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to
Modify..., all users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more -
create it first. If it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen the
dialog and uncheck.

You're idea is not bad but in this case it would not work very well since
I still use the old location to put some new documents that do belong in
that location

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same
search as before and it still find the files in both location

BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using
the TAG attribute to search those files

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt
when I did perform searches

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your
alter-ego,
please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is
definitly
not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event
viewer?
It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or you
can
Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event Viewer
(Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search
events
only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check
"Search"
under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events.

2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates an
entry
in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History.
Its
entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and Search
Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a
memory
snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our
server.
Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and
send me
the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's
going on.
Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal
internal
state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I
won't
be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be an
extra
entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the
problem".
You can email them to me directly.

There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues,
but they
are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to try
and find a way to fix this

BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so
far over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista
installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email
and lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it.
Unless your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't
matter either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other
downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in
principle it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes
about 3 days to rebuild my index, that should be fairly
representative of a move performance, and in my opinion it's not too
bad. And yes you can opt out. Open Indexing Options control panel,
Modify..., Show all locations, uncheck everything and click OK,
done. Although I can't imagine my work without being able to search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure
out what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for
the next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great
start. I don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need
one that is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" wrote in message
...
I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of
other downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those
changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many
files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also
slows the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if
not weeks, and gives you erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it.
Not turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" wrote in message
...
The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two
machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in
about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed,
it took about 15 minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can be
removed from the index then added to index to force the update if
you don't wish to wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files
from that folder to another folder, but the search still show
those files as being in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2,
but they no longer exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to
another he MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach, the
index was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use the
same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" wrote in message
...
To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or
deleted, it must be recreated in the original location to be
removed from the index since it will remain in the index but not
in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote in
message ...
Give this a try:
Click Start type Indexing Options hit Enter click Modify
click Show All Locations expand C: and browse to the folder
in which the files were previously located. Uncheck it, click
OK Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents
files, which is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I
did not place some files where they belong so I moved them,
but now when I use the Search, it find those files in both the
old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder where
those files were before and they're not there anymore, they're
really into the new folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

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Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin











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"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry, but I'm not certan that I quite follow you. By default we only
index C:\Users. So you've had C:\Users and (say) D:\Data indexed, and the
indexer was idle. Then you moved D:\Data\Wrong\foo.txt to
D:\Data\Right\foo.txt, and now if you search for "foo" you find it in both
locations. Is that correct?

Is it easy to reproduce? If you create a new file in the "wrong" location
now and move it to the "right" one, will you get duplicates?

I can replicate it every time that I run a search, and yes it does affect
all file type whether I use tag or filename as a reference


Also does the problem affect files of all types?

Well, it's not a fix, it's a workaround. It isn't perfect. Once the ghosts
has been removed, you can add the location back again, that will index the
new files.

Thank you for followin up on this,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was it
idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via Control
Panel?

It is not nor was it a new location in the Index, the location is on
another HDD than the boot drive, and the state of the Indexing was IDLE


As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from
the indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and your
files were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to
Modify..., all users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more -
create it first. If it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen the
dialog and uncheck.

You're idea is not bad but in this case it would not work very well since
I still use the old location to put some new documents that do belong in
that location

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same
search as before and it still find the files in both location

BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using
the TAG attribute to search those files

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt
when I did perform searches

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your
alter-ego,
please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is
definitly
not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event
viewer?
It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or you
can
Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event
Viewer
(Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search
events
only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check
"Search"
under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events.

2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates
an entry
in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History.
Its
entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and
Search
Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a
memory
snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our
server.
Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and
send me
the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's
going on.
Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal
internal
state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I
won't
be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be an
extra
entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the
problem".
You can email them to me directly.

There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues,
but they
are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to
try and find a way to fix this

BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so
far over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista
installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email
and lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it.
Unless your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't
matter either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other
downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in
principle it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes
about 3 days to rebuild my index, that should be fairly
representative of a move performance, and in my opinion it's not
too bad. And yes you can opt out. Open Indexing Options control
panel, Modify..., Show all locations, uncheck everything and click
OK, done. Although I can't imagine my work without being able to
search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure
out what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for
the next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great
start. I don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need
one that is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" wrote in message
...
I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of
other downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those
changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too
many files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it
also slows the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days
if not weeks, and gives you erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted
it. Not turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" wrote in message
...
The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on
two machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in
about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed,
it took about 15 minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can
be removed from the index then added to index to force the update
if you don't wish to wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files
from that folder to another folder, but the search still show
those files as being in both location, in folder 1 and folder 2,
but they no longer exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to
another he MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach,
the index was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not use
the same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" wrote in message
...
To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or
deleted, it must be recreated in the original location to be
removed from the index since it will remain in the index but
not in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote in
message ...
Give this a try:
Click Start type Indexing Options hit Enter click Modify
click Show All Locations expand C: and browse to the
folder in which the files were previously located. Uncheck it,
click OK Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after I
installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents
files, which is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I
did not place some files where they belong so I moved them,
but now when I use the Search, it find those files in both
the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder
where those files were before and they're not there anymore,
they're really into the new folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin











--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

By reproducing I don't mean to find duplicates that exist already, but to
create a new duplicate now - create file, move file, does it duplicate in
search results? Sorry for asking that many questions, but we can't reproduce
this issue, even though it seem to be fairly common in the wild. So I need
every possible detail. I wish I could see your gather log files, but these
contain file names of all the files indexed, that's personal information.
Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry, but I'm not certan that I quite follow you. By default we only
index C:\Users. So you've had C:\Users and (say) D:\Data indexed, and the
indexer was idle. Then you moved D:\Data\Wrong\foo.txt to
D:\Data\Right\foo.txt, and now if you search for "foo" you find it in
both locations. Is that correct?

Is it easy to reproduce? If you create a new file in the "wrong" location
now and move it to the "right" one, will you get duplicates?

I can replicate it every time that I run a search, and yes it does affect
all file type whether I use tag or filename as a reference


Also does the problem affect files of all types?

Well, it's not a fix, it's a workaround. It isn't perfect. Once the
ghosts has been removed, you can add the location back again, that will
index the new files.

Thank you for followin up on this,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was
it idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via
Control Panel?

It is not nor was it a new location in the Index, the location is on
another HDD than the boot drive, and the state of the Indexing was IDLE


As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from
the indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and
your files were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to
Modify..., all users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more -
create it first. If it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen
the dialog and uncheck.

You're idea is not bad but in this case it would not work very well
since I still use the old location to put some new documents that do
belong in that location

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same
search as before and it still find the files in both location

BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using
the TAG attribute to search those files

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt
when I did perform searches

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Martin,

I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your
alter-ego,
please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is
definitly
not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event
viewer?
It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or
you can
Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event
Viewer
(Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search
events
only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check
"Search"
under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events.

2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates
an entry
in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History.
Its
entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and
Search
Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a
memory
snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our
server.
Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and
send me
the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's
going on.
Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal
internal
state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I
won't
be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be
an extra
entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the
problem".
You can email them to me directly.

There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues,
but they
are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first.

Thanks,
Ilia

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to
try and find a way to fix this

BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so
far over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista
installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet

"Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message
...
Dear Cap. Kirk,

I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email
and lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it.
Unless your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't
matter either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other
downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in
principle it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes
about 3 days to rebuild my index, that should be fairly
representative of a move performance, and in my opinion it's not
too bad. And yes you can opt out. Open Indexing Options control
panel, Modify..., Show all locations, uncheck everything and click
OK, done. Although I can't imagine my work without being able to
search.

There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure
out what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for
the next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great
start. I don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need
one that is.

Best regards,
Ilia

"kirk jim" wrote in message
...
I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files,
that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of
other downloads and other files.

Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those
changes?

I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too
many files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it
also slows the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for
days if not weeks, and gives you erroneous results!

Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted
it. Not turned on be default
with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off.


"...winston" wrote in message
...
The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on
two machines...the information was provided as an option.
One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in
about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also
indexed, it took about 15 minutes.
If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder can
be removed from the index then added to index to force the
update if you don't wish to wait.

..winston

"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
But the folder do still exist, all I did was to move some files
from that folder to another folder, but the search still show
those files as being in both location, in folder 1 and folder
2, but they no longer exist in folder 1 only in folder 2.

So everytime that someone what to move files from one place to
another he MUST rebuild the entire index ????

Thats not very usefull, because in the Windows Desktop Seach,
the index was automatically updated, why would Microsoft not
use the same system in Vista

--
-----
Thank you in advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin
"...winston" wrote in message
...
To add..
If the folder is added to the search index and later moved or
deleted, it must be recreated in the original location to be
removed from the index since it will remain in the index but
not in the 'browse' option.
..winston

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote in
message ...
Give this a try:
Click Start type Indexing Options hit Enter click
Modify click Show All Locations expand C: and browse to
the folder in which the files were previously located.
Uncheck it, click OK Close.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I think that I found a bug in the Indexing service, I after
I installed VIsta, it started to index all of my documents
files, which is great, but about 2 weeks ago I found that I
did not place some files where they belong so I moved them,
but now when I use the Search, it find those files in both
the old and the new folder. I did checked the old folder
where those files were before and they're not there anymore,
they're really into the new folder where I want them.

How do I fix this without rebuilding the entire index

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin











--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin

--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin


--
Thank You in Advance
Merci a l'avance

Martin