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Indexing Bug ????
I run a rule (actually a lot of similar rules) which MOVES an incoming
message to a specified folder. The vista search engine reports this email to both folders; the correct folder where the email has been moved to and also to the inbox!!!! As you understand this email doesn’t exist in the inbox because the rule has moved it. Your suggestion to clear and rebuild the index is not of any use because the search engine duplicates almost all new messages. By the way how can I move the preview pane to the bottom? I didn’t find a way to do this and most probably it is impossible. The 2.6 desktop search engine of XP was 100 times better than this of the vista. I see myself reinstalling the XP and I won't be the only one I believe, for more reasons than only the search engine. Regards, Christos "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote: 2.6 won't work on Vista, sorry. Does it create a new duplicate for each message you receive? If it doesn't you can work around this issue by unchecking/OK/checking Outlook in Indexing Options - Modify... dialog. It will reindex the emails and get rid of duplicates, faster than rebuilding everything. Ilia "Arend" wrote in message ... I am having the same problem also with my emails. The search results report the same email twice. And the funny thing is that the index sees the email twice IN THE SAME FOLDER. If you go to this folder from outlook you see only one email. I urgently need a work around to this problem. Can I install in vista the WDS 2.6 for XP, which did a perfect job? Regards, Christos "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote: One more thing - the from location is on NTFS partition, right? No FAT32? Could you do the following: - Open Indexing Options, wait until the indexer is idle. - Run the following command: logman start "test1" -p "Microsoft-Windows-Search-Core" -o "test1.etl" -ets - Move a file from one indexed location to another indexed location. - Wait until the indexer is idle again. - Run the following command: logman stop "test1" -ets - Verify that moving created a duplicate. If it didn't - try again. - Zip and email me the test1.etl file. The ETL file will contain the sequence of events inside the indexer. Hopefully it will allow me to undertand your problem better. Note - it WILL contain the name of the file you are moving. Thanks, Ilia "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... That is exactly what I mean, whenever I move file from folder to another, and the use the search I find file at both location even if they aren't in the first location anymore. No need to be sorry, you just want make sure that we understand what the problem is exactly -- ----- Thank you in advance Merci a l'avance Martin "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message ... By reproducing I don't mean to find duplicates that exist already, but to create a new duplicate now - create file, move file, does it duplicate in search results? Sorry for asking that many questions, but we can't reproduce this issue, even though it seem to be fairly common in the wild. So I need every possible detail. I wish I could see your gather log files, but these contain file names of all the files indexed, that's personal information. Thanks, Ilia "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message ... I'm sorry, but I'm not certan that I quite follow you. By default we only index C:\Users. So you've had C:\Users and (say) D:\Data indexed, and the indexer was idle. Then you moved D:\Data\Wrong\foo.txt to D:\Data\Right\foo.txt, and now if you search for "foo" you find it in both locations. Is that correct? Is it easy to reproduce? If you create a new file in the "wrong" location now and move it to the "right" one, will you get duplicates? I can replicate it every time that I run a search, and yes it does affect all file type whether I use tag or filename as a reference Also does the problem affect files of all types? Well, it's not a fix, it's a workaround. It isn't perfect. Once the ghosts has been removed, you can add the location back again, that will index the new files. Thank you for followin up on this, Ilia "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message ... Dear Martin, Can you recall the state of the indexer when you moved the files? Was it idle? If not, was it working on a new location you've added via Control Panel? It is not nor was it a new location in the Index, the location is on another HDD than the boot drive, and the state of the Indexing was IDLE As a workaround, you can try excluding the original file location from the indexing scope. For example, say you index entire D: drive, and your files were moved from D:\X to D:\Y. In the control panel, go to Modify..., all users, and uncheck D:\Y. If it doesn't exist any more - create it first. If it exists and is unchecked, check it, OK, reopen the dialog and uncheck. You're idea is not bad but in this case it would not work very well since I still use the old location to put some new documents that do belong in that location Thanks, Ilia "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... Last night the indexing finished, and this mornning I tried the same search as before and it still find the files in both location BTW. I just realised when I ran the search this morning that I'm using the TAG attribute to search those files "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... THe event viewer's got nothing releated to Indexing or search, execpt when I did perform searches "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message ... Dear Martin, I was addressing my reply to "kirk jim". Unless this is your alter-ego, please be assured that I haven't had you in mind Something is definitly not well with your Vista, and we need to get to the bottom of it. 1) Could you check if there are any interesting events in the event viewer? It's in Control Panel - Administrative tools - Event Viewer (or you can Start-Run eventvwr.msc). Search Service events are under Event Viewer (Local) - Windows Logs - Application. To make the log show Search events only, choose "Filter Current Log..." on the Action Panel, and check "Search" under Event source. We are interested in Warning or Error events. 2) If the service or one of its sandbox processes crash, it creates an entry in Control Panel - Problems and Solutions - View Problem History. Its entries would be under Search Indexer, Search Protocol Host and Search Filter Host. If the Status column says "Report Sent", then we have a memory snapshots (a.k.a. crash dumps) of your indexer somewhere on our server. Right click on one of the entries, choose View Problem Details, and send me the BucketID. I'll try to find that particular dump and see what's going on. Note that they contain very little data (stack trace and minimal internal state), so even if it was indexing your tax report when it crashed I won't be able to read it. If the Status is Not Reported, there should be an extra entry in View Problem Details titled "Files that help describe the problem". You can email them to me directly. There are other, more powerful ways to diagnose the indexer issues, but they are likely to expose your data, so let's try these first. Thanks, Ilia "Martin Racette" wrote in message ... I'm sorry if I started a war here, but all I wanted to do was to try and find a way to fix this BTW. you asked if the indexing is done, the answer is NO, I have so far over 463670 items indexed, and it still going on. I have Vista installed since 1 February, and the indexing was never finished yet "Ilia Sacson [MS]" wrote in message ... Dear Cap. Kirk, I have about 2 millions of items in my index (a few years of email and lots of source code), your puny 50K of PDFs got nothing on it. Unless your 200Gb is mostly text (like my stuff), item sizes don't matter either since there's not much to index in a movie or "other downloads". So, my data corpus is bigger than yours, and in principle it should take longer to finish indexing it. It takes about 3 days to rebuild my index, that should be fairly representative of a move performance, and in my opinion it's not too bad. And yes you can opt out. Open Indexing Options control panel, Modify..., Show all locations, uncheck everything and click OK, done. Although I can't imagine my work without being able to search. There are no known issues with file moves, so we'd like to figure out what Martin run into and if there really is a bug - fix it for the next version. Knowing if the index is idle would be a great start. I don't see a reason to start a flame war here, if you need one that is. Best regards, Ilia "kirk jim" wrote in message ... I recently moved, rename and shifted around 200 gb of files, that include 50.000 pdf books, 1000 movie files, and thousands of other downloads and other files. Now tell me smarty pants.. how will vista cope with all those changes? I have seen that indexing becomes useless when people have too many files and shift them around too much. Not only useless, it also slows the computer down, makes the hard drive thrash for days if not weeks, and gives you erroneous results! Indexing should have been available as an ADD on, IF you wanted it. Not turned on be default with no apparent way to turn the frikin thing off. "...winston" wrote in message ... The index should update it in time. I duplicated your issue on two machines...the information was provided as an option. One one machine with a few thousand files indexed it updated in about 2 minutes. On the other with other partitions also indexed, it took about 15 minutes. If nothing else is wrong(ref Dave Wood [MS] post)the folder |
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Indexing Bug ????
What I'm really after, is a predictable Search that can be trusted to
find things. I don't mind if it takes a while; what I don't want is something that lies to me about what is or is not present. You will probably never get a predictable search that can be trusted from Microsoft. I have not tried it on Vista yet, but I used Agent Ransack for searches in XP. Did more than an adequate job. |