Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to find the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton Antivirus and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such as the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here (www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full (0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it seems to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with e.g. what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55 pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to find the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton Antivirus and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such as the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here (www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full (0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it seems to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55 pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here (www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55 pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here (www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Steve,

Thanks very much for your patience with me but I am not there yet.

To be honest I did not understand your instruction below! When you say
'paste the following' do you mean (the bit in brackets): ("C:\Program
Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE), including the quotes
or just (C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe) without quotes. If the
later what does (OCInstallReinstallOE) mean? I did both and nothing
happened - but not every combination with and without quotes.

I have been using winmail for about a month and in that time have dealt with
hundreds of emails - thousands if you count the junk it has cut out. I do
recall a message some days ago that I needed to compress something but I was
busy at the time and didn't do it. The problem came after I had deleted a
load of junk mail and the contents of the recycle bin (possibly the next time
I logged on). The fault message ".......,initialize junk filtering." seems
to suggest there is a simple key sequence I should follow but how you to do
it without being in winmail seems a problem.

Is it possible to reinstall winmail from the vista disc that came with my
computer? But if I do so what happens to all my mail and contacts accumulated
over the last month. (I am still recovering from the transfer from outlook
express to winmail!).

Many thanks so far, I do appreciate all the time you have spent on this,
especially as I now read that you are a volunteer and not the official MS
helpline as I thought originally.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

You will have to paste the whole line:
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE
including the quotes. The quotes are necessary because otherwise
Command Prompt would interpret the spaces in the path name as
command separators. I realize this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
to you, but you'd have to be familiar with DOS (the OS prior to Windows)
to understand it.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message ...

Steve,

Thanks very much for your patience with me but I am not there yet.

To be honest I did not understand your instruction below! When you say
'paste the following' do you mean (the bit in brackets): ("C:\Program
Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE), including the quotes
or just (C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe) without quotes. If the
later what does (OCInstallReinstallOE) mean? I did both and nothing
happened - but not every combination with and without quotes.

I have been using winmail for about a month and in that time have dealt with
hundreds of emails - thousands if you count the junk it has cut out. I do
recall a message some days ago that I needed to compress something but I was
busy at the time and didn't do it. The problem came after I had deleted a
load of junk mail and the contents of the recycle bin (possibly the next time
I logged on). The fault message ".......,initialize junk filtering." seems
to suggest there is a simple key sequence I should follow but how you to do
it without being in winmail seems a problem.

Is it possible to reinstall winmail from the vista disc that came with my
computer? But if I do so what happens to all my mail and contacts accumulated
over the last month. (I am still recovering from the transfer from outlook
express to winmail!).

Many thanks so far, I do appreciate all the time you have spent on this,
especially as I now read that you are a volunteer and not the official MS
helpline as I thought originally.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

As Gary says, you need to paste the entire line I supplied with the quotes.

If that did nothing then I don't know what else you can do except maybe
delete all the registry entries for WinMail. The junk filter info is in the
registry and that might have been corrupted.

Go to Start | Search and type regedit. Then choose continue to allow it and
then read the help file.

Then go to this registry key

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

and right click it and choose Export to back it up.

Then make sure WinMail is closed and right click on the key again and choose
Delete.

Then try starting Winmail.

steve


"Mike" wrote in message
...

Steve,

Thanks very much for your patience with me but I am not there yet.

To be honest I did not understand your instruction below! When you say
'paste the following' do you mean (the bit in brackets): ("C:\Program
Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE), including the
quotes
or just (C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe) without quotes. If
the
later what does (OCInstallReinstallOE) mean? I did both and nothing
happened - but not every combination with and without quotes.

I have been using winmail for about a month and in that time have dealt
with
hundreds of emails - thousands if you count the junk it has cut out. I do
recall a message some days ago that I needed to compress something but I
was
busy at the time and didn't do it. The problem came after I had deleted a
load of junk mail and the contents of the recycle bin (possibly the next
time
I logged on). The fault message ".......,initialize junk filtering."
seems
to suggest there is a simple key sequence I should follow but how you to
do
it without being in winmail seems a problem.

Is it possible to reinstall winmail from the vista disc that came with my
computer? But if I do so what happens to all my mail and contacts
accumulated
over the last month. (I am still recovering from the transfer from
outlook
express to winmail!).

Many thanks so far, I do appreciate all the time you have spent on this,
especially as I now read that you are a volunteer and not the official MS
helpline as I thought originally.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if
there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is
empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under
Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail
should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my
own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an
office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way
to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have
now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22
1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to
the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and
paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I
should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it
will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail
directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh
with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they
work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you
moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and
rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot
and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program
such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have
any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL
could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

Gary,

Many thanks. I tried again. It sems to have stopped me opening winmail from
the shortcut in the start up box. Nothing else has changed - should something
have happened? When I go into programs and try to start winmail I get
exactly the same message again.

I appreciate your help - is there a plan G?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

You will have to paste the whole line:
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE
including the quotes. The quotes are necessary because otherwise
Command Prompt would interpret the spaces in the path name as
command separators. I realize this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
to you, but you'd have to be familiar with DOS (the OS prior to Windows)
to understand it.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message ...

Steve,

Thanks very much for your patience with me but I am not there yet.

To be honest I did not understand your instruction below! When you say
'paste the following' do you mean (the bit in brackets): ("C:\Program
Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE), including the quotes
or just (C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe) without quotes. If the
later what does (OCInstallReinstallOE) mean? I did both and nothing
happened - but not every combination with and without quotes.

I have been using winmail for about a month and in that time have dealt with
hundreds of emails - thousands if you count the junk it has cut out. I do
recall a message some days ago that I needed to compress something but I was
busy at the time and didn't do it. The problem came after I had deleted a
load of junk mail and the contents of the recycle bin (possibly the next time
I logged on). The fault message ".......,initialize junk filtering." seems
to suggest there is a simple key sequence I should follow but how you to do
it without being in winmail seems a problem.

Is it possible to reinstall winmail from the vista disc that came with my
computer? But if I do so what happens to all my mail and contacts accumulated
over the last month. (I am still recovering from the transfer from outlook
express to winmail!).

Many thanks so far, I do appreciate all the time you have spent on this,
especially as I now read that you are a volunteer and not the official MS
helpline as I thought originally.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike

I have no further suggestions. Did you try the suggested registry key
deletion idea, posted by Steve about 90 minutes ago?

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message ...
Gary,

Many thanks. I tried again. It sems to have stopped me opening winmail from
the shortcut in the start up box. Nothing else has changed - should something
have happened? When I go into programs and try to start winmail I get
exactly the same message again.

I appreciate your help - is there a plan G?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

You will have to paste the whole line:
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE
including the quotes. The quotes are necessary because otherwise
Command Prompt would interpret the spaces in the path name as
command separators. I realize this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
to you, but you'd have to be familiar with DOS (the OS prior to Windows)
to understand it.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message ...

Steve,

Thanks very much for your patience with me but I am not there yet.

To be honest I did not understand your instruction below! When you say
'paste the following' do you mean (the bit in brackets): ("C:\Program
Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE), including the quotes
or just (C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe) without quotes. If the
later what does (OCInstallReinstallOE) mean? I did both and nothing
happened - but not every combination with and without quotes.

I have been using winmail for about a month and in that time have dealt with
hundreds of emails - thousands if you count the junk it has cut out. I do
recall a message some days ago that I needed to compress something but I was
busy at the time and didn't do it. The problem came after I had deleted a
load of junk mail and the contents of the recycle bin (possibly the next time
I logged on). The fault message ".......,initialize junk filtering." seems
to suggest there is a simple key sequence I should follow but how you to do
it without being in winmail seems a problem.

Is it possible to reinstall winmail from the vista disc that came with my
computer? But if I do so what happens to all my mail and contacts accumulated
over the last month. (I am still recovering from the transfer from outlook
express to winmail!).

Many thanks so far, I do appreciate all the time you have spent on this,
especially as I now read that you are a volunteer and not the official MS
helpline as I thought originally.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Well, let's try this.

Go to Start | Search and paste this and hit return:

"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe" OCInstallReinstallOE

See if WinMail will start after that. Otherwise it looks to me as if there
was a bad install. Did it ever work?

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks, I have now done that and still the same old error message comes
up!

To recap my antivirus is removed and my windows mail directory is empty, I
have run WMutil again and rebooted.



"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Hi Mike,

You can ignore the reference to the registry key. Just move all the
contents (everything) to another directory. Create one under Documents
so
you know where it is and then move everything to there so that the
contents
of the message store directory is completely blank. Then WinMail should
start okay and you can add your accounts and then try importing the
messages
back from the directory to which you moved the stuff.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

Thanks. Please understand that I am out in the sticks and on my own, I
do
not have a great deal of computer literacy and I do not have an office
full
of eager computer buffs to explain PC terms I am not familiar with
e.g.
what
is a 'WinMail registry key', etc.

I have pasted the WMUtil line into my address bar and found my way to
/Windows Mail/ via Appdata/Local/Microsoft/ etc. However I have now
lost
the plot as to what I do now. Do I go back to your post of May 22 1.55
pm
and remove everything from the WindowsMail directory including all
folders(5)
files (15) and 'jig saw' icons (3)?

Where do I move all this to ?

And by the way what is a 'WinMail registry key'.

Be gentle with me.

Mike


"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Duh. The directory is found under the Store Root value under the
WinMail
registry key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail

(see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm )

If you load up my WMUtil program, it will also load up the path to the
message store in the text box at the top which you can copy and paste
into
Explorer's address bar. They are hidden files and folders also.

Sorry about that. G

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Steve,

When you say 'go to tools' do you mean tools in Windows mail? I
cannot
open
Windows mail - that's my problem. Is there somewhere else I should
be
looking?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

The only chance now is to wipe out the database and see if it will
start
then.

Go to Tools | Options | Advanced | Maintenance | Store Folder to
find
the
message store location. Then move everything under that Windows
Mail
directory to another directory, so that the Windows Mail directory
is
completely empty. Then restart WinMail and it will open fresh with
nothing
in the database. You can then add your accounts and if they work
correctly
then you can import messages from the directory to which you moved
the
files
back into WinMail (see www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx#wm2wm).

If it still doesn't start, then post back and we can try other
things.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Gary, Thanks for your help. I completely removed Norton
Antivirus
and
it
still did not work. I also tried the WMUtil again and rebooted
and
still
it
fails to work. The only small change is that the box for MS
Mail
appears
momentarily before the same error message covers it up again.

I am getting desperate - what's my next move?

Mike

"Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Windows Mail is very sensitive to interference from certain
antivirus
programs. Read http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
If you have McAfee or Norton antivirus, uninstall it. Reboot and
try
Windows Mail again. Once you get your email working properly,
download and install a less troublesome antivirus program such
as
the
free Avast. Whichever antivirus program you keep, be sure to
disable its email scanning option.

Gary VanderMolen

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Thanks very much Steve but it did not work. Do you have any
other
ideas
please?

Mike

"Steve Cochran" wrote:

Try the compact and repair buttons here
(www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/)
and
see if
they fix the issue.

steve

"Mike" wrote in message
...
When I try to open mail I get the error message:

" Windows mail could ot be started. initialize junk mail
filtering.
Your
computer may be out of memory or your disk is full
(0x80070002)"

My disk is certainly not full. After that I get another
error
message:

"Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could
not
be
initialized."

What does this mean and what do I do to open up my mail
system
again?

If MS going to issue an upgrade to is mail system - it
seems
to
have
so
many
problems and deficiencies?

Thanks. Mike