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HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the network status



 
 
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Old June 19th 07, 02:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
mlai
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Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the network status

This problem is related to a crash of the HPSLPSVC service which caused a
DEP violation. HP is aware of it and their solution is for you to turn of
DEP. It is like saying "our software has a bug and will not work with
anti-virus softwares so you should disable your av software....."

Just ridiculous!

And they claim that this is a Microsoft problem and we should contact
Microsoft......

My chat with an online HP tech:

Jerome: Hello Marshall.
Jerome: Welcome to HP Total care for All-in-one products. My name is Jerome.
How may I help you today?
Marshall Lai: I am running Vista x64 and x86 in my home and am having
problems with my HP c6180 software when resuming from sleep.
Marshall Lai: Seems that the HPSLPSVC keeps on causing DEP violations on
resume from S3.
Jerome: I will help you with this,please elaborate your issue, so that I can
assist you better?
Marshall Lai: HPSLPSVC causes a DEP violation in Vista (both x64 and x86)
when resuming from S3.
Marshall Lai: Typical event log:
Marshall Lai: Faulting application svchost.exe_HPSLPSVC, version
6.0.6000.16386, time stamp 0x4549b5f5, faulting module hpslpsvc64.dll,
version 82.0.173.0, time stamp 0x457ce186, exception code 0xc0000005, fault
offset 0x00000000000550ad, process id 0xc60, application start time
0x01c7b196eff7584c.
Marshall Lai: And this will cause the printer to disappear from the computer
and will have to be added back in via running the installation software
Jerome: I understan your concern.
Marshall Lai: I have searched on the web and seems that other people running
vista and have HP network printers on their network are experiencing the
same problem.
Jerome: Please give me few minutes so that I can go through the mssage.
Jerome: Let us perform few steps to disable DEP.
Jerome: Here arae the steps:
Jerome: Disable DEP in Vista:

1. Click Start
2. Click All Programs
3. Click Accessories
4. Right Click on Command Prompt
5. Left click on Run as Administrator
6. Click the Allow button if it asks you for permission
Jerome: Please perform the above steps and let me know I will provide you
further steps.
Marshall Lai: I really don't want to disable DEP globally in Vista.
Marshall Lai: One has to be crasy to do that. Also, in Vista x64, you cannot
disable DEP anyway.
Jerome: Marshall,I suggest you to contact Microsoft they will help you with
this.
Marshall Lai: Microsoft suggested me to contact HP as it is an HP service
that causes the DEP violation.
Jerome: Marshall if we disable the DEP it will be resolve.
Jerome: So I suggest you to disable the DEP by following the above steps.
Marshall Lai: It is like saying: The software has a problem with your
anti-virus software and you should disable your anti-virus software.
Marshall Lai: Will you be having a fix or will this be a requirement to
running your softwares?


"Surago" wrote in message
ups.com...
Further Note...

One suggestion i have found on the web is to ensure the Printer is not
running with a DHCP assigned IP Address. I have just checked and
confirm that both the printer and the laptop are running with Static
IP Addresses, yet i still have the same problem.

Cheers

Surago.

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Old June 19th 07, 11:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Kathi Johnston
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Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the


I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am having the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't reinstall the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed them so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers UNLESS you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi
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Old June 19th 07, 04:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Alan Morris [MSFT]
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Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the

Is the printer located in the registry?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Print\Printers

Are the printers local devices targeting the network card on the printer or
are these connections to a machine sharing the printers.

When you install the inbox driver for this device, does it also get removed?

When you say HP detects that they are there, do you mean the printers? Do
you know what application is detecting the printers? If HP has software
that detects printers who knows what they might do if the printer is no
longer detected.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in message
...

I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am having
the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't reinstall
the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed them so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to
uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers UNLESS
you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi



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Old June 19th 07, 05:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Kathi Johnston
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Posts: 11
Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in

Alan: thanks for responding. I know at this time the HP 7410 is not missing
in the registry key you specified. It may go away when I lose the printer,
but I just reinstalled the drivers for umteenth time yesterday.

No I am going across the network to print. (I think that is what you mean),
I am not printing to the HP 7410 printer located ON another computer.

Not sure what you mean by inbox drivers.

What happens is I go to print, the printer is gone in my list of choices to
print to. I go through control panels to see if the printer is there. It's
not of course. When I go to reinstall the drivers, the HP software gives me
the option to either uninstall or add features. I have to uninstall before I
can then RE install the drivers.

I know it's not a network issue (then again I had a lot of trouble going
through Norton Anti Virus to get my XP machines and Vista Machine to talk and
share), because when I do reinstall the drivers the printer is immediately
detected

Thanks Alan!
Kathi




"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

Is the printer located in the registry?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Print\Printers

Are the printers local devices targeting the network card on the printer or
are these connections to a machine sharing the printers.

When you install the inbox driver for this device, does it also get removed?

When you say HP detects that they are there, do you mean the printers? Do
you know what application is detecting the printers? If HP has software
that detects printers who knows what they might do if the printer is no
longer detected.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in message
...

I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am having
the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't reinstall
the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed them so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to
uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers UNLESS
you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi




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Old June 20th 07, 04:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Alan Morris [MSFT]
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Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in

This sounds more like an authentication issue. I am pretty sure the printer
is still resident in the spooler, but your user account no longer has access
so you can enumerate it when opening the printers folder.

Does printmanagement.msc exist on your machine? If it does launch this and
see is the printer is listed? It sounds like you are using an XP driver.
HP does have a Vista driver for download for this device but the duplex
feature does not work as expected. HP gave me a fix for that.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in message
...
Alan: thanks for responding. I know at this time the HP 7410 is not
missing
in the registry key you specified. It may go away when I lose the
printer,
but I just reinstalled the drivers for umteenth time yesterday.

No I am going across the network to print. (I think that is what you
mean),
I am not printing to the HP 7410 printer located ON another computer.

Not sure what you mean by inbox drivers.

What happens is I go to print, the printer is gone in my list of choices
to
print to. I go through control panels to see if the printer is there.
It's
not of course. When I go to reinstall the drivers, the HP software gives
me
the option to either uninstall or add features. I have to uninstall
before I
can then RE install the drivers.

I know it's not a network issue (then again I had a lot of trouble going
through Norton Anti Virus to get my XP machines and Vista Machine to talk
and
share), because when I do reinstall the drivers the printer is immediately
detected

Thanks Alan!
Kathi




"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

Is the printer located in the registry?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Print\Printers

Are the printers local devices targeting the network card on the printer
or
are these connections to a machine sharing the printers.

When you install the inbox driver for this device, does it also get
removed?

When you say HP detects that they are there, do you mean the printers?
Do
you know what application is detecting the printers? If HP has software
that detects printers who knows what they might do if the printer is no
longer detected.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in
message
...

I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am
having
the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home
Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine
keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't
reinstall
the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed them
so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to
uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer
back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers
UNLESS
you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi






  #16 (permalink)  
Old June 21st 07, 01:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Kathi Johnston
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Posts: 11
Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in

Isn't authentication something Novell uses? I'm just using file sharing
through my local network, and have the machines going through my linksys
router. I do not use a login to access my machine. My user account is the
admin.

printmanagement.msc is not resident anywhere on my machine that I can find
(I did an advanced search).

Kathi


"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

This sounds more like an authentication issue. I am pretty sure the printer
is still resident in the spooler, but your user account no longer has access
so you can enumerate it when opening the printers folder.

Does printmanagement.msc exist on your machine? If it does launch this and
see is the printer is listed? It sounds like you are using an XP driver.
HP does have a Vista driver for download for this device but the duplex
feature does not work as expected. HP gave me a fix for that.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in message
...
Alan: thanks for responding. I know at this time the HP 7410 is not
missing
in the registry key you specified. It may go away when I lose the
printer,
but I just reinstalled the drivers for umteenth time yesterday.

No I am going across the network to print. (I think that is what you
mean),
I am not printing to the HP 7410 printer located ON another computer.

Not sure what you mean by inbox drivers.

What happens is I go to print, the printer is gone in my list of choices
to
print to. I go through control panels to see if the printer is there.
It's
not of course. When I go to reinstall the drivers, the HP software gives
me
the option to either uninstall or add features. I have to uninstall
before I
can then RE install the drivers.

I know it's not a network issue (then again I had a lot of trouble going
through Norton Anti Virus to get my XP machines and Vista Machine to talk
and
share), because when I do reinstall the drivers the printer is immediately
detected

Thanks Alan!
Kathi




"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

Is the printer located in the registry?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Print\Printers

Are the printers local devices targeting the network card on the printer
or
are these connections to a machine sharing the printers.

When you install the inbox driver for this device, does it also get
removed?

When you say HP detects that they are there, do you mean the printers?
Do
you know what application is detecting the printers? If HP has software
that detects printers who knows what they might do if the printer is no
longer detected.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in
message
...

I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am
having
the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home
Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine
keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't
reinstall
the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed them
so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to
uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer
back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers
UNLESS
you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi






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Old June 22nd 07, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
Rob Baxmann
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Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the network status

Re install you hp drivers then goto computer management services. Scroll
down to "HP CUE DeviceDiscovery Service" and disable it.


"mlai" wrote in message
...
Hi,
Just wondering if anybody has seen this problem. HP claims that they
have not seen this problem (despite I have reported it before...)

I have a Photosmart C6180 installed on my network. Under XP, everything
seems to work fine. However, on my Vista x64 machines, the printer and
fax seems to disappear when there are changes in the network status (for
example, resuming from suspend, and disabling and r-enabling the network
interfaces, even when the interfaces being changed does not connect to the
printer). I would get a Vista error saying that the HP Network Printer
Services has stopped responding and then after this happens, I have a very
good chance that the C6180 printer and fax will disappear from my list of
printers on the machine.

When this happens, the only way is to run the HP software (which I
downloaded from the web for Vista x64) and add a new printer from there.

Has anyone seen this before? Is there a fix?

Many thanks.

PS. Called local HP and their tech support gave me the stupid response of
"We don't know. Maybe don't suspend your computer?". I have a laptop
running the software, idiot......


  #18 (permalink)  
Old July 3rd 07, 09:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
mlai
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Posts: 171
Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in

No authentication is needed to access my 6310 either. It can disappear when
the network status changes (resuming from suspend, disabling one of the
other NIC that is not connecting to the printer, disabling Bluetooth PAN....
etc) Just very very annoying to the point of insanity.....

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in message
...
Isn't authentication something Novell uses? I'm just using file sharing
through my local network, and have the machines going through my linksys
router. I do not use a login to access my machine. My user account is
the
admin.

printmanagement.msc is not resident anywhere on my machine that I can
find
(I did an advanced search).

Kathi


"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

This sounds more like an authentication issue. I am pretty sure the
printer
is still resident in the spooler, but your user account no longer has
access
so you can enumerate it when opening the printers folder.

Does printmanagement.msc exist on your machine? If it does launch this
and
see is the printer is listed? It sounds like you are using an XP driver.
HP does have a Vista driver for download for this device but the duplex
feature does not work as expected. HP gave me a fix for that.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in
message
...
Alan: thanks for responding. I know at this time the HP 7410 is not
missing
in the registry key you specified. It may go away when I lose the
printer,
but I just reinstalled the drivers for umteenth time yesterday.

No I am going across the network to print. (I think that is what you
mean),
I am not printing to the HP 7410 printer located ON another computer.

Not sure what you mean by inbox drivers.

What happens is I go to print, the printer is gone in my list of
choices
to
print to. I go through control panels to see if the printer is there.
It's
not of course. When I go to reinstall the drivers, the HP software
gives
me
the option to either uninstall or add features. I have to uninstall
before I
can then RE install the drivers.

I know it's not a network issue (then again I had a lot of trouble
going
through Norton Anti Virus to get my XP machines and Vista Machine to
talk
and
share), because when I do reinstall the drivers the printer is
immediately
detected

Thanks Alan!
Kathi




"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

Is the printer located in the registry?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Print\Printers

Are the printers local devices targeting the network card on the
printer
or
are these connections to a machine sharing the printers.

When you install the inbox driver for this device, does it also get
removed?

When you say HP detects that they are there, do you mean the printers?
Do
you know what application is detecting the printers? If HP has
software
that detects printers who knows what they might do if the printer is
no
longer detected.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base he
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

"Kathi Johnston" wrote in
message
...

I have an HP Officejet 7410 AIO (wireless network printer). I am
having
the
same problem. I have 4 networked machines. 3 XPs, 1 Vista Home
Premium
(Dell 1705 laptop-Vista was factory installed). The Vista machine
keeps
losing the printer. It's no where to be found. But you can't
reinstall
the
drivers (which I've conveniently left on my desktop as I've needed
them
so
often), as HP detects that they are there (somewhere). You have to
uninstall
the drivers to get to reinstall the drivers, just to get the printer
back.
It's time consuming and annoying. You don't look for the drivers
UNLESS
you
are trying to print.

Any help would be great.

Thanks,
Kathi






  #19 (permalink)  
Old July 3rd 07, 09:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing,microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
mlai
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Posts: 171
Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the network status

Been there. Done that. No help.

"Rob Baxmann" wrote in message
...
Re install you hp drivers then goto computer management services. Scroll
down to "HP CUE DeviceDiscovery Service" and disable it.


"mlai" wrote in message
...
Hi,
Just wondering if anybody has seen this problem. HP claims that they
have not seen this problem (despite I have reported it before...)

I have a Photosmart C6180 installed on my network. Under XP, everything
seems to work fine. However, on my Vista x64 machines, the printer and
fax seems to disappear when there are changes in the network status (for
example, resuming from suspend, and disabling and r-enabling the network
interfaces, even when the interfaces being changed does not connect to
the printer). I would get a Vista error saying that the HP Network
Printer Services has stopped responding and then after this happens, I
have a very good chance that the C6180 printer and fax will disappear
from my list of printers on the machine.

When this happens, the only way is to run the HP software (which I
downloaded from the web for Vista x64) and add a new printer from there.

Has anyone seen this before? Is there a fix?

Many thanks.

PS. Called local HP and their tech support gave me the stupid response of
"We don't know. Maybe don't suspend your computer?". I have a laptop
running the software, idiot......


  #20 (permalink)  
Old July 4th 07, 04:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Ken Zhao [MSFT]
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Posts: 247
Default HP All-in-one printers disappearing when there are changes in the network status

Hello,

Have you any updates from HP after escalated your question?

Thanks & Regards,

Ken Zhao

Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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| | One suggestion i have found on the web is to ensure the Printer is not
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| | Cheers
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