fer wrote:
Hi.

i have the same problem.

My machine
Ram 4 gb
Video Nvidia geforce 8800 GTx
Cpu intel Core2 Quad 2.66
Board MSI P6n Sli Platinun

in vista ultima 32 bit the boot is perfect time, but when i upgrade to 64
bit, is a very slow boot ( about 7 minutes), i have a teory about the drivers
of the board.

but also is slow when i run vista 64, is dirvers problem ?







It very well could be the drivers for the board, and I doubt there's
much you can do except look on the manufacturer's website for updates.
Of course you can't do that without an OS and maybe you can't install
the drivers with the OS in place without changing some BIOS setting so
see if you can find anything related to BIOS settings when you visit. Of
course video drivers can affect other things too but it sounds like you
have have tried some things already.

I have a acer 5103.

Turion TL-52 1.6 GHZ
2GB RAM
ATI Radeon X1300

I've been using vista on this machine for a year without any problems,
had it all tweaked out and just when everything was good (I think it was
after a windows update restart...) it took vista in the range of 10
minutes to load up and become usable. I thought it might have just been
the updates but ever since I've been experiencing this problem. Before
the whole boot up process from pressing the power button to usability
took just under 2 minutes, now it takes 10-15. After the 15 minute boot
everything works as it should, just like before. I've been trying
everything to get this resolved. It has been a month now and I fear the
only way to get vista working properly will be a format and installation
of windows. Things I've done:

Uninstalled unnecessary programs
Defraged hard drives (did a boot defrag)
Cleaned the registry
Defraged the registry
Got rid of all but necessary startup programs (about 9 running now)
Cleared the drives of all unnecessary files, temp data
Cleared the pagefile
Deleted hibernation file

after this I redefraged in a way so all files would be contiguous.
Nothing helped. I know it's a problem with vista because I can run any
old linux distribution and it runs like a dream. I really don't want to
reinstall windows, for one, acer is so kind and don't even give you the
windows CD with the notebook, just a lame "factory setting backup
CD/DVD" you can make yourself but I've got windows and all my programs
set up the way I want and it has taken me a year to have it this. The
only thing I haven't done is gone and reinstall all the drivers, because
usually this does more harm than good.
So I hope someone could help me.


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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:28:37 +0530, fusiooon
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I have a acer 5103.

Turion TL-52 1.6 GHZ
2GB RAM
ATI Radeon X1300

I've been using vista on this machine for a year without any problems,
had it all tweaked out and just when everything was good (I think it was
after a windows update restart...) it took vista in the range of 10
minutes to load up and become usable. I thought it might have just been
the updates but ever since I've been experiencing this problem. Before
the whole boot up process from pressing the power button to usability
took just under 2 minutes, now it takes 10-15. After the 15 minute boot
everything works as it should, just like before.


Ten to 15 minutes is certainly on the long side. On the other hand, if
everything else is OK, most of us power on and boot once a day or less
frequently, and even a time like that doesn't hurt very much.

I press the power button and go get my coffee. When I come back it's
finished booting. I don't know how long it took and I don't care.


I've been trying
everything to get this resolved. It has been a month now and I fear the
only way to get vista working properly will be a format and installation
of windows.


That is seldom a solution to such a problem, and even if it is, you
don't find out what was wrong. That means that you will probably
repeat the behavior that caused it and soon find yourself back in the
same situation.


Things I've done:

Uninstalled unnecessary programs


What's installed but not running has no effect on performance, boot
time or anything else. The only bad thing about having an unnecessary
program installed is that it wastes a little disk space (and that's
almost certainly unrelated to your problem).


Defraged hard drives (did a boot defrag)


Since you find performance after booting OK, it's highly unlikely that
this had any effect on the issue.


Cleaned the registry


A very poor thing to do, problems or not. Registry cleaning programs
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.



Defraged the registry


No effect on the issue. Defragging the registry very seldom has any
effect on performance.


Got rid of all but necessary startup programs


Good, but...


(about 9 running now)


....their number (despite how often you see people telling you about
it) is irrelevant. What could very likely be a factor here is *which*
programs are starting automatically. Which are they?


Cleared the drives of all unnecessary files, temp data


Both good to do, but highly unlikely to be a factor in this issue.


Cleared the pagefile


Completely unnecessary.


Deleted hibernation file


Again, unrelated to your problem.


after this I redefraged in a way so all files would be contiguous.


Highly unlikely to be a factor.

You don't mention anything about which anti-virus and anti-spyware
programs you run and whether they are kept up to date. This could very
likely be a factor.

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:28:37 +0530, fusiooon
wrote:

I really don't want to
reinstall windows, for one, acer is so kind and don't even give you the
windows CD with the notebook, just a lame "factory setting backup
CD/DVD" you can make yourself but I've got windows and all my programs
set up the way I want and it has taken me a year to have it this.

WHAT? All that work and you don't have a backup of a working copy?

That can't be laid in Acer's lap.

That can be very long in some occasions, I don't want to wait 15 minutes in
a 50 minutes lesson for my laptop to boot...

Now it does it in about a minute and that's fine.


Process Monitor and Performance Tools are two good tools to analyze the boot
(Like BootVis was there for XP), the second option also provides a forced
boot preparation method.

Event logs can also provide good information on what programs are delaying
you, I guess just one of your programs or services is failing in one or
another way.


Good luck and have fun.

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:28:37 +0530, fusiooon
wrote:


I have a acer 5103.

Turion TL-52 1.6 GHZ
2GB RAM
ATI Radeon X1300

I've been using vista on this machine for a year without any problems,
had it all tweaked out and just when everything was good (I think it was
after a windows update restart...) it took vista in the range of 10
minutes to load up and become usable. I thought it might have just been
the updates but ever since I've been experiencing this problem. Before
the whole boot up process from pressing the power button to usability
took just under 2 minutes, now it takes 10-15. After the 15 minute boot
everything works as it should, just like before.


Ten to 15 minutes is certainly on the long side. On the other hand, if
everything else is OK, most of us power on and boot once a day or less
frequently, and even a time like that doesn't hurt very much.

I press the power button and go get my coffee. When I come back it's
finished booting. I don't know how long it took and I don't care.


I've been trying
everything to get this resolved. It has been a month now and I fear the
only way to get vista working properly will be a format and installation
of windows.


That is seldom a solution to such a problem, and even if it is, you
don't find out what was wrong. That means that you will probably
repeat the behavior that caused it and soon find yourself back in the
same situation.


Things I've done:

Uninstalled unnecessary programs


What's installed but not running has no effect on performance, boot
time or anything else. The only bad thing about having an unnecessary
program installed is that it wastes a little disk space (and that's
almost certainly unrelated to your problem).


Defraged hard drives (did a boot defrag)


Since you find performance after booting OK, it's highly unlikely that
this had any effect on the issue.


Cleaned the registry


A very poor thing to do, problems or not. Registry cleaning programs
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.



Defraged the registry


No effect on the issue. Defragging the registry very seldom has any
effect on performance.


Got rid of all but necessary startup programs


Good, but...


(about 9 running now)


...their number (despite how often you see people telling you about
it) is irrelevant. What could very likely be a factor here is *which*
programs are starting automatically. Which are they?


Cleared the drives of all unnecessary files, temp data


Both good to do, but highly unlikely to be a factor in this issue.


Cleared the pagefile


Completely unnecessary.


Deleted hibernation file


Again, unrelated to your problem.


after this I redefraged in a way so all files would be contiguous.


Highly unlikely to be a factor.

You don't mention anything about which anti-virus and anti-spyware
programs you run and whether they are kept up to date. This could very
likely be a factor.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:28:37 +0530, fusiooon wrote:

snip for brevity

The only thing I haven't done is gone and reinstall all the drivers,
because usually this does more harm than good.

Not really!

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I've been using vista on this machine for a year without any problems,
had it all tweaked out and just when everything was good (I think it was
after a windows update restart...) it took vista in the range of 10
minutes to load up and become usable. I thought it might have just been
the updates but ever since I've been experiencing this problem. Before
the whole boot up process from pressing the power button to usability
took just under 2 minutes, now it takes 10-15. After the 15 minute boot
everything works as it should, just like before. I've been trying
everything to get this resolved. It has been a month now and I fear the
only way to get vista working properly will be a format and installation
of windows. Things I've done:

Perhaps your antivirus program is doing a scan at startup?

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Start by turning off your antivirus and spyware programs. make sure they are
turned off at startup as well. Also turn off windows defender and indexing of
your hard drives. I suspect its your antivirus or spyware program that is
doing it. They usually cause a lot of issues with the system booting up.

OK everyone, some good stuff has been said, but NOTHING that helped me
fix or find the problem. Obviously I need my notebook to work fast,
can't wait around 10-15 minutes for it to work properly. In the end I
gave up, did a format and fresh reinstall. I'm using the same antivirus,
same firewall, same everything as before. Well besides the Acer
utilities which I never used anyway...
The point is my notebook is back to it's good old performance, boot +
startup in no time and after that everything as usual. To conclude,
obviously this wasn't a hardware problem because it wouldn't have gone
away after a reinstall. I suspect it was a registry problem, because I
must admit I fool around and edit it sometimes. Not to mention the
registry cleaning programs.
Anyway, all is back to normal. So if your PC has a problem no one knows
how to fix, do a format and reinstall. Now I should go really make
myself a backup


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