I have two Dell PCs. A Dimension 9200 Desktop vith Vista Home Premium (Swiss
German version) and a Latitude D600 notebook with XP SP2 (US english
version). They are on the same workgroup (MSHOME) connected by a WPA-PSK TKIP
protected wireless link through a router. On both computers I have opened
accounts with the same user name and password. The network was ok for some
time (while the desktop was directly connected with a cable to the router and
the wireless link was running under WEP from the Latitude notebook to the
router) but started to make problems when the router had to be moved to
another room and both PCs were wirelessly connected to the network. By now,
the Vista desktop can see the XP notebook, read and write files. The XP
notebook can see that the desktop is there but it is denied authorization to
access it, use a printer aso. I tried to follow "File and Printer Sharing in
Windows Vista", even switch off the firewall on Vista, enable NetBIOS over
TCP/IP, disable IPv6 but nothing seems to do the job.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:20:00 -0700, Pierre KOHLER
wrote:

I have two Dell PCs. A Dimension 9200 Desktop vith Vista Home Premium (Swiss
German version) and a Latitude D600 notebook with XP SP2 (US english
version). They are on the same workgroup (MSHOME) connected by a WPA-PSK TKIP
protected wireless link through a router. On both computers I have opened
accounts with the same user name and password. The network was ok for some
time (while the desktop was directly connected with a cable to the router and
the wireless link was running under WEP from the Latitude notebook to the
router) but started to make problems when the router had to be moved to
another room and both PCs were wirelessly connected to the network. By now,
the Vista desktop can see the XP notebook, read and write files. The XP
notebook can see that the desktop is there but it is denied authorization to
access it, use a printer aso. I tried to follow "File and Printer Sharing in
Windows Vista", even switch off the firewall on Vista, enable NetBIOS over
TCP/IP, disable IPv6 but nothing seems to do the job.

Pierre,

Generally, it isn't difficult at all to network two computers. Sometimes there
are complications, though, and that's why you see people here asking for help.

Disabling IPV6 is a good start, as I don't think that Microsoft has IPV6 and
Windows Networking working together just yet.

Switching the firewall off is not a good idea. You need to have the firewall
on, and set the Network Location Type to Private. Access authorisation is
another issue. Are you using SFS (PPS disabled), or AFS (PPS enabled) on the XP
computer? PPS enabled or disabled on the Vista computer? These are details
that you need to know.

Read my tutorial and see if it helps.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:53 -0700, "nsag" wrote:

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

Until Vista comes out in SP1, it will have these bugs. We are Beta testing it.
And we are documenting it.

There are dozens of reasons for not being able to "see" other computers in
Network Neighbourhood (or whatever else cure name is being used at the time).
Every version of Windows has had these problems, and Windows XP wasn't immune.
I wrote this for XP owners, several years ago.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

And this year, I wrote this troubleshooting guide for Vista owners.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:53 -0700, "nsag" wrote:

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

Until Vista comes out in SP1, it will have these bugs. We are Beta testing it.
And we are documenting it.

There are dozens of possible reasons for not being able to "see" other computers
in Network Neighbourhood (or whatever else cute name is being used at the time).
Every version of Windows has had these problems, and Windows XP wasn't immune.
I wrote this for Windows XP owners, several years ago. Windows XP was buggy as
hell until SP1.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

And this year, I wrote this troubleshooting guide for Windows Vista owners.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Sir,
you did a great job telling people all the details of networking Vista and
XP computers but this is exactly my point: Why is it necessary to go though
all this jargon when I just want to share a printer and maybe read and write
a few files in the public folder of the other PC? Can't such simple
operations be allowed by default so that Mr. Average does NOT have to read
and understand all of your explanations?
I am certainly not a bloody beginner but I have other things to do than to
struggle with those issues and I certainly hope that there will be such
features and maybe a wizard to do this in Vista pretty soon, otherwise I will
simply abandon it as nsag suggested.
Kind regards,
Pierre KOHLER

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:53 -0700, "nsag" wrote:

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

Until Vista comes out in SP1, it will have these bugs. We are Beta testing it.
And we are documenting it.

There are dozens of possible reasons for not being able to "see" other computers
in Network Neighbourhood (or whatever else cute name is being used at the time).
Every version of Windows has had these problems, and Windows XP wasn't immune.
I wrote this for Windows XP owners, several years ago. Windows XP was buggy as
hell until SP1.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

And this year, I wrote this troubleshooting guide for Windows Vista owners.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Chuck,

As an outsider on this thread, thanks for a very comprehensive view into
Vista/XP file & folder sharing. Your nitecruzr blogspots were very good,
and I read them both to try fixing my Vista/XP file sharing problem. (Note:
my network is fine, Public Folder can be shared, but none other).

Anyway, after reading your two web links which apparently can fix any
Vista/XP sharing problem, I must concede defeat. I guess I'll just use the
Public Folder on Vista to use for XP file sharing ventures. To be honest,
your articles were good, but there is No Way I can spend hours trying to
figure out what you wrote, how to actually apply it to my two computers, and
trying to read between the lines. My XP and ME shared perfectly -- no
problems.

Anyway, thanks for putting out the info, really.

EW

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:53 -0700, "nsag" wrote:

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you
can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

Until Vista comes out in SP1, it will have these bugs. We are Beta
testing it.
And we are documenting it.

There are dozens of possible reasons for not being able to "see" other
computers
in Network Neighbourhood (or whatever else cute name is being used at the
time).
Every version of Windows has had these problems, and Windows XP wasn't
immune.
I wrote this for Windows XP owners, several years ago. Windows XP was
buggy as
hell until SP1.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

And this year, I wrote this troubleshooting guide for Windows Vista
owners.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:33:19 -0500, "LoneStar" wrote:

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:43:53 -0700, "nsag" wrote:

Here is a typical user Vista/ Wireless XP networking issue:
Explorer can see all computers and exchange files. All permissions are
correctly set and double checked.
However say you want to save an Excel spreadsheet you are working on with
your Vista machine to one of those wireless XP units.
In your Vista machine you click "save as" and then click on "network"
Lo and behold, nothing you can do will make those XP sites appear so you
can
save the frigging document.
However tomorrow it might or might not work like it should.
The best solution is to get rid of Vista.
All of your problems will go away and you can get back to work.
You should not be spending time troubleshooting defective Microsoft
programming.

Until Vista comes out in SP1, it will have these bugs. We are Beta
testing it.
And we are documenting it.

There are dozens of possible reasons for not being able to "see" other
computers
in Network Neighbourhood (or whatever else cute name is being used at the
time).
Every version of Windows has had these problems, and Windows XP wasn't
immune.
I wrote this for Windows XP owners, several years ago. Windows XP was
buggy as
hell until SP1.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html

And this year, I wrote this troubleshooting guide for Windows Vista
owners.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/windows-xp-and-vista-on-lan-together.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/1...-together.html

Chuck,

As an outsider on this thread, thanks for a very comprehensive view into
Vista/XP file & folder sharing. Your nitecruzr blogspots were very good,
and I read them both to try fixing my Vista/XP file sharing problem. (Note:
my network is fine, Public Folder can be shared, but none other).

Anyway, after reading your two web links which apparently can fix any
Vista/XP sharing problem, I must concede defeat. I guess I'll just use the
Public Folder on Vista to use for XP file sharing ventures. To be honest,
your articles were good, but there is No Way I can spend hours trying to
figure out what you wrote, how to actually apply it to my two computers, and
trying to read between the lines. My XP and ME shared perfectly -- no
problems.

Anyway, thanks for putting out the info, really.

EW

Thanks for the feedback, EW.

My rant to Pierre aside, I'm betting that there's at least one more key setting
in Windows Vista that I haven't written about, and Microsoft hasn't thought to
tell us about. The Network and Sharing Center GUI is a wizard (a pretty mini
app), for setting dozens of individual settings in a database called Local
Security Policy (in a domain, it's a piece of Active Directory, called
policies).

Even listing the policies, much less identifying them with any description,
isn't done anywhere that I can find. They are supposedly self identifying (ha
ha). And my suspicion is that you will find YOUR problem buried deep in a
policy.

So, as you think more of your problem, drop by here again. We may know more
next week. Maybe your involvement will help us learn more, and help others too.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Chuck,

I will mention Active Directory Domains only, as that is what I have done.
Vista integrates without difficulty. Essentially all that is done is, join
the Domain, turn on Network Discovery, turn on File Sharing, then actively
share the folders desired. When creating the shares, assign Domain Groups to
the share (with desired permissions), and remove Everyone. At that point
Vista (depending on who is logged in) can see and be seen without
difficulty. Depending on what other client PCs are on the network, things
may be different, but with the correct Group Policy settings, Vista can see,
be seen by, and communicate with everything from other Vista PCs (Home Basic
and Premium cannot be Domain joined, so I omit those) down to MS-DOS 6.22
(running a TCP/IP stack).

John Baker

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:56:28 -0400, "JRB Associates" wrote:

Chuck,

I will mention Active Directory Domains only, as that is what I have done.
Vista integrates without difficulty. Essentially all that is done is, join
the Domain, turn on Network Discovery, turn on File Sharing, then actively
share the folders desired. When creating the shares, assign Domain Groups to
the share (with desired permissions), and remove Everyone. At that point
Vista (depending on who is logged in) can see and be seen without
difficulty. Depending on what other client PCs are on the network, things
may be different, but with the correct Group Policy settings, Vista can see,
be seen by, and communicate with everything from other Vista PCs (Home Basic
and Premium cannot be Domain joined, so I omit those) down to MS-DOS 6.22
(running a TCP/IP stack).

John Baker

John,

My growing suspicions are that many complaints that folks like Pierre have,
about how complicated Windows Networking is, would be solved if everybody would
setup and use a domain. Between standardising local security policy, and
turning off "Simple" File Sharing, life would be so much simpler.

Of course, there would be less traffic here and it might get a bit boring. You
can't have everything.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.