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September 26th 07, 01:02 PM
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Wireless router connecting with Vista Ultimate
Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing
Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob! 
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September 26th 07, 03:01 PM
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Wireless router connecting with Vista Ultimate
We need more information to help. Posting the result of ipconfig /all may
help. -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob!
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September 27th 07, 01:34 AM
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Hi Robert, Sorry for the delay...Ipconfig/all as requested
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\JOHNipconfig/all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : JOHN-PC Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-50-B3-C1-D0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ether net Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-A9-72-7C DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e8a3:fbae:968:839e%9(Preferred) IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 26 September 2007 23:30:54 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 28 September 2007 01:59:43 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 151000562 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-B2-AC-BA DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 12: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{D34BF8FD-C2AE-417A-9E0C-1BFE921F3 A5D} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.100%13(Preferred) Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{57AC43A2-7C1F-44A6-8F76-FB078A4DC DBB} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes C:\Users\JOHN THANKS for your help so far, I have contacted Belkin, they say the Network card is working fine, told me it was the router set to the wrong channel, so I tryed every chanel all 13 of them no joy, It finds the network, but wont connect, Linksys have again gone through setting, they say router is fine....PLEASE! Help! -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: We need more information to help. Posting the result of ipconfig /all may help. -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob!
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September 28th 07, 04:07 AM
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Wireless router connecting with Vista Ultimate
Can you ping 192.168.1.1/ If yes, can you ping 4.2.2.1?
-- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi Robert, Sorry for the delay...Ipconfig/all as requested Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\JOHNipconfig/all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : JOHN-PC Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-50-B3-C1-D0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ether net Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-A9-72-7C DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e8a3:fbae:968:839e%9(Preferred) IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 26 September 2007 23:30:54 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 28 September 2007 01:59:43 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 151000562 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-B2-AC-BA DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 12: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{D34BF8FD-C2AE-417A-9E0C-1BFE921F3 A5D} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.100%13(Preferred) Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{57AC43A2-7C1F-44A6-8F76-FB078A4DC DBB} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes C:\Users\JOHN THANKS for your help so far, I have contacted Belkin, they say the Network card is working fine, told me it was the router set to the wrong channel, so I tryed every chanel all 13 of them no joy, It finds the network, but wont connect, Linksys have again gone through setting, they say router is fine....PLEASE! Help! -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: We need more information to help. Posting the result of ipconfig /all may help. -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob!
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September 28th 07, 07:22 AM
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Wireless router connecting with Vista Ultimate
Hi there, Just to advise, system is now working, my problem was a bug with
the Linksys, called Linksys, spoke to a senior Tec, he told me that a new beta version of my firmware may fix bug, which is not out to the public, I downloaded this, all is fine. Thank you Robert for your assistance. John. -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: Can you ping 192.168.1.1/ If yes, can you ping 4.2.2.1? -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi Robert, Sorry for the delay...Ipconfig/all as requested Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\JOHNipconfig/all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : JOHN-PC Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-50-B3-C1-D0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ether net Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-A9-72-7C DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e8a3:fbae:968:839e%9(Preferred) IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 26 September 2007 23:30:54 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 28 September 2007 01:59:43 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 151000562 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-B2-AC-BA DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 12: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{D34BF8FD-C2AE-417A-9E0C-1BFE921F3 A5D} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.100%13(Preferred) Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{57AC43A2-7C1F-44A6-8F76-FB078A4DC DBB} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes C:\Users\JOHN THANKS for your help so far, I have contacted Belkin, they say the Network card is working fine, told me it was the router set to the wrong channel, so I tryed every chanel all 13 of them no joy, It finds the network, but wont connect, Linksys have again gone through setting, they say router is fine....PLEASE! Help! -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: We need more information to help. Posting the result of ipconfig /all may help. -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob!
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September 29th 07, 12:35 AM
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Wireless router connecting with Vista Ultimate
Thank you for the update.
-- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi there, Just to advise, system is now working, my problem was a bug with the Linksys, called Linksys, spoke to a senior Tec, he told me that a new beta version of my firmware may fix bug, which is not out to the public, I downloaded this, all is fine. Thank you Robert for your assistance. John. -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: Can you ping 192.168.1.1/ If yes, can you ping 4.2.2.1? -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi Robert, Sorry for the delay...Ipconfig/all as requested Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000] Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\JOHNipconfig/all Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : JOHN-PC Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Belkin Wireless G USB Network Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-50-B3-C1-D0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ether net Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-A9-72-7C DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::e8a3:fbae:968:839e%9(Preferred) IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 26 September 2007 23:30:54 Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 28 September 2007 01:59:43 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 151000562 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-15-F2-B2-AC-BA DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 12: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{D34BF8FD-C2AE-417A-9E0C-1BFE921F3 A5D} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.100%13(Preferred) Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 194.168.4.100 194.168.8.100 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 13: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : isatap.{57AC43A2-7C1F-44A6-8F76-FB078A4DC DBB} Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes C:\Users\JOHN THANKS for your help so far, I have contacted Belkin, they say the Network card is working fine, told me it was the router set to the wrong channel, so I tryed every chanel all 13 of them no joy, It finds the network, but wont connect, Linksys have again gone through setting, they say router is fine....PLEASE! Help! -- Noob! "Robert L (MS-MVP)" wrote: We need more information to help. Posting the result of ipconfig /all may help. -- Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com "johnuk" wrote in message ... Hi guys..I'm trying to connect my Linksys wireless G router to Vista useing Belkin adaptor...Spoke to Tec support at Belkin....did all usuall checks....adapter ok....they said it was a firewall problem....so I disconnected vista firewall....still not able to connect....Phoned Linksys...router checked out no problem.... Any ideas Guys.. John -- Noob!
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