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Can I use Aero Glass
You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure.
The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
To sum it all up Chaos29,
Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
I have a Intel 945GT MOBO with onboard graphics and it runs Vista Aero
Glass. and my NTSC tuner casrd just fine and is capable of running running 1080i programs using an HDTV tuner card. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
Hi JW,
Your set up sounds awesome and is fine, for now. But we have no idea what new game, or video needs are coming out in the next 6 months or year. All of a sudden your 945GT will be obsolete and you cannot upgrade because it is built into the motherboard. What I am suggesting is that we get way from built in non changeable and be modular so we can just pop in a new video card when the old one is obsolete (or fails). Just like we do with memory, DVD drives, etc. Would this not be a better approach in the long run? So I stand by what I stated before, the only way the manufacturers will stop making things this way is if we stop buying them. I have a 1 year old Dell Inspiron 6000 with 915gms graphics, and 2 gig of RAM. It runs very fast, runs Vista better than XP. But of course won't run glass. Just because of some drivers, and Intel deciding not to support and "older" product. My next lap top will be a Sony Vaio with a replaceable video card. Like my desktop PC. Mark "JW" wrote: I have a Intel 945GT MOBO with onboard graphics and it runs Vista Aero Glass. and my NTSC tuner casrd just fine and is capable of running running 1080i programs using an HDTV tuner card. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
I have an empty PCI-E slot so I can easily upgrade if something unexpected
comes along that reqires functinality I currently do not have. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... Hi JW, Your set up sounds awesome and is fine, for now. But we have no idea what new game, or video needs are coming out in the next 6 months or year. All of a sudden your 945GT will be obsolete and you cannot upgrade because it is built into the motherboard. What I am suggesting is that we get way from built in non changeable and be modular so we can just pop in a new video card when the old one is obsolete (or fails). Just like we do with memory, DVD drives, etc. Would this not be a better approach in the long run? So I stand by what I stated before, the only way the manufacturers will stop making things this way is if we stop buying them. I have a 1 year old Dell Inspiron 6000 with 915gms graphics, and 2 gig of RAM. It runs very fast, runs Vista better than XP. But of course won't run glass. Just because of some drivers, and Intel deciding not to support and "older" product. My next lap top will be a Sony Vaio with a replaceable video card. Like my desktop PC. Mark "JW" wrote: I have a Intel 945GT MOBO with onboard graphics and it runs Vista Aero Glass. and my NTSC tuner casrd just fine and is capable of running running 1080i programs using an HDTV tuner card. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
Sounds like you bought a good machine with room to grow, enjoy.
Mark "JW" wrote: I have an empty PCI-E slot so I can easily upgrade if something unexpected comes along that reqires functinality I currently do not have. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... Hi JW, Your set up sounds awesome and is fine, for now. But we have no idea what new game, or video needs are coming out in the next 6 months or year. All of a sudden your 945GT will be obsolete and you cannot upgrade because it is built into the motherboard. What I am suggesting is that we get way from built in non changeable and be modular so we can just pop in a new video card when the old one is obsolete (or fails). Just like we do with memory, DVD drives, etc. Would this not be a better approach in the long run? So I stand by what I stated before, the only way the manufacturers will stop making things this way is if we stop buying them. I have a 1 year old Dell Inspiron 6000 with 915gms graphics, and 2 gig of RAM. It runs very fast, runs Vista better than XP. But of course won't run glass. Just because of some drivers, and Intel deciding not to support and "older" product. My next lap top will be a Sony Vaio with a replaceable video card. Like my desktop PC. Mark "JW" wrote: I have a Intel 945GT MOBO with onboard graphics and it runs Vista Aero Glass. and my NTSC tuner casrd just fine and is capable of running running 1080i programs using an HDTV tuner card. "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
I have an HP dv6045nr with 128mb on board graphics and it runs Aero just
fine! Honu "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
I’m sure you have a great system, but my point is this. If 6 months from now
a new game comes out, or some new application and they require 256 meg of video memory; 1.You would not be able to run it. 2. You would not be able to upgrade you machine to run it even if you wanted to. That’s all I am trying to say, if all PC’s and Laptops had replaceable video boards you could increase your graphics capabilities without replacing the motherboard or the machine. Mark "Hertz_Donut" wrote: I have an HP dv6045nr with 128mb on board graphics and it runs Aero just fine! Honu "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
(Bad News)
Here is a link to Intel, the 915 chipset will not run aero glass. http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-023606.htm Mark "Mark S-123" wrote: I’m sure you have a great system, but my point is this. If 6 months from now a new game comes out, or some new application and they require 256 meg of video memory; 1.You would not be able to run it. 2. You would not be able to upgrade you machine to run it even if you wanted to. That’s all I am trying to say, if all PC’s and Laptops had replaceable video boards you could increase your graphics capabilities without replacing the motherboard or the machine. Mark "Hertz_Donut" wrote: I have an HP dv6045nr with 128mb on board graphics and it runs Aero just fine! Honu "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |
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Can I use Aero Glass
At last a reason. Previously all I could get out of Intel was the 915
graphics would not be supported but no reason why. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ Mark S-123 wrote: (Bad News) Here is a link to Intel, the 915 chipset will not run aero glass. http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-023606.htm Mark "Mark S-123" wrote: I'm sure you have a great system, but my point is this. If 6 months from now a new game comes out, or some new application and they require 256 meg of video memory; 1.You would not be able to run it. 2. You would not be able to upgrade you machine to run it even if you wanted to. That's all I am trying to say, if all PC's and Laptops had replaceable video boards you could increase your graphics capabilities without replacing the motherboard or the machine. Mark "Hertz_Donut" wrote: I have an HP dv6045nr with 128mb on board graphics and it runs Aero just fine! Honu "Mark S-123" wrote in message ... To sum it all up Chaos29, Be sure the next PC (desktop or laptop) you purchase does not have the graphics integrated into the motherboard. Buy the fastest processor you can afford, memory you can upgrade and a video board you can physically change/upgrade. If the new system you are looking at to purchase cannot do this, Just Say NO! The fasted way to get things going the way we want/need with the PC manufacturers is with our money. If they don't produce what we want don't buy it. Mark "Kerry Brown" wrote: You may be right. Intel hasn't provided enough information to know for sure. The Intel presenter was specifically asked if there was a technical reason why there would be no wddm driver for the 915 series on board graphics and he said he didn't know of any technical reasons. He did not say it was a marketing decision. That is my interpolation from what I have read and what he said at the presentation. He wouldn't give a reason as to why the 915 wouldn't be supported, just that it wouldn't. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: From some other material I can no longer locate I was under the impression that the 82915 graphics chip ony had partial onboard hardware support the requirements of DX9 and that the 82945 graphics chip apparently has full DX9 onboard support and that therefore some of the required DX9 functionality for MCE was contained in the WDM drivers for MCE2005. I would have imagined imagined that if both chips had identical support that one set of drivers would be used for both since any minor differences in the chips could be taken card of within a single set of drivers. Apparently this is not the case, however, and regretfully their Marketing did not want to see the 82915 chip used to meet Vista Premium specifications. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... The 915 supports directx9 and Pixel Shader 2.0 http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...1974.htm?prn=Y http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...r/p04_gmch.htm http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/develope...6547.htm?prn=Y http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...G=Search&meta= It was a marketing decision not a technical decision related to performance. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca Curious wrote: Kerry, I think you and JW are saying the same thing. Yes, you are correct that nothing prevents Intel from writing WDDM driver for the 915 Chipset, however, since functionality required such as DX9 support rather then the DX8 support contained in the 915 chipset would have to be included in the driver. ( Note: This is exactly what ATI did in their Catalyst drivers in order that their 91xx and 92xx chip based graphics cards could be used with MCE2005) And as you and JW pointed out this would cause a performance penalty and for this reason their marketing organization did not want to allocate the R&D resources to add the functionality to their 945 chipset Vista driver so that it could also provide the required support for 915 chips. "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... I agree with Randy H's sentiments if not his method of expressing them. The 915 graphics does meet the specifications needed for Intel to write a wddm driver. Even though it meets the specifications it is possible that the performance would be too slow. Intel did not say this though. Their stated reason for not supporting the 915 chipset with a wddm driver was because it was too old. It was a marketing decision. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca JW wrote: Your remarks are totally uncalled for. Apparently you do not realize that the 915 grapichs chip does not have the required functionality internally to support Aero and therfore Intel can not realease Aero compatible drivers for it without incorporating the required unique CPU consuming missing functions using vomplex snd extensive to software within the driver. And even it they did MS would not allow the 915 chipset to be included in its designed for Vista premium logo program since the functinality requied is not in the chipset. However I guess if you were around when color TV was introduced that you were also very upset when your TV manufacturer did not upgrade your black and white TV. Or I guess you are upset if your 720p native resolution HDTV can not be upgraded to a 1080p native resolution. "RandyH" wrote in message ... F INTEL!! "Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message ... Intel has not released wddm drivers for the 915 graphics. At an Intel road show I attended last week they said they had no plans to release wddm drivers for this chipset. They explicitly stated that Aero would not be supported on the 915 chipset series unless you install a discrete video card. This means laptops using 915 graphics cannot use Aero. -- Kerry MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User http://www.vistahelp.ca chaos29 wrote: hello, I have a Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Chipset Family ( Microsoft Corporation - XDDM ) graphic card. 128 MB On an Acer TravelMate Notebook. I cant find anything to enable aero, do I need any special drivers ? or is it not possible with this graphic card to use aero ? I am using Vista RC2 thank you |