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  #21 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 12:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
Computer & Sound System Tech
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Default trouble with new ram

man you have no idea how slower my pc is with the 512mb chip in, may be
that's why i was having trouble. the two 1 gig was making my pc run faster
than before, and it was a sort of stress for it, because now i have 1.5 gb
and it's slows as hel.. i miss having 2 gig so bad.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in message
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wow after typing my last comment i used the encyclopidia about ram, didn't
find much i didn't know exept that the reason why cpu have stop going much
faster than 2.0 ghz is because they have hit a "memory wall" basically we
are at a point where cpu is practically being slowed down by the ram
speed. so when ram speed gets faster we should see computer with 3.0, 4.0,
5.0 ghz cpu(i hope we get there)

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in message
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't have money
to get new chip and getting the impression getting same but new ram won't
help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount installed
suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my system
score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature means nothing
usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set up is
how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the max is 256,
right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird because on the
labelit says it's compatible with my type of system, i guess i'll have
to call centon the maker of the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised about
this but first boot will always work fine, it's when the pc has been
hot for a while and then i reboot that i have problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other reasons.
For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not work properly
in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the safety
step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6 months
with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the vendor as
soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every one and
a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i couldn't run my pc
at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the issues
disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is incompatible. Did
the vendor give you a compatibility guarantee? Perhaps, next time
you should consider ordering from a vendor that does guarantee
compatibility. Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do
that, at least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you last
disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the original ram,
so i don't know. and this pc is brand new there no crud or dust on
the monitor or the keyboard even less inside the comparment(i keep
this pc very clean, i got ****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory diagnosis
tool and the result aren't showing the system said it would tell
me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the original
came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it makes a
difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same amount
(1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got them
cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock i'm using a
laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock this peticular
laptop, and i have no need to since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know how
to overclock a computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine does
not like the configuration installed or if one of the RAM chips
is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to though
it out because all i can do is change the order of the ram, which
doesn't change much because both of them are 1 gb, and as for the
faulty ram, it would surprise me because they are even a year
old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other reasons.
For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not work properly
in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6 months
with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the vendor as
soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the issues
disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is incompatible. Did
the vendor give you a compatibility guarantee? Perhaps, next time
you should consider ordering from a vendor that does guarantee
compatibility. Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do
that, at least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you last
disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling fan?









  #22 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 01:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
JW
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Default trouble with new ram

Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's manual.
Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not in slots 1 and
2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the same
since they don't even have the same number of chips on each card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in message
...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have the
same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number, same amount
of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same except for the
fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i don't understand how
they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i got came with lifetime
warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but then again i'm not a ram
knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it is
only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of users, not
during boot or during a session of windows only at the end of boot. don't
know if this makes a difference.

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Faults -Everyone
"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller computer
outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more critical
that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it may
well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory performance.
At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset by spurious faults
and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially budget
memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as half decent
memory but they have failed to maintain a level of performance expected
of 'high performance RAM. Really high performance RAM will cost double
that of budget RAM, but high performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in pairs.
These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the same as is
possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set, and
depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether it is a
'4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock' capable.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is because
they aren't paired which i can't understand why they wouldn't be, but
never researched ram either so i'll let you tell me why, but what if
instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb and one 1gb would this
would or would i still have the same problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't have
money to get new chip and getting the impression getting same but new
ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

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Faults -Everyone
"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my system
score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature means
nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

--
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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set up
is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the max is
256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird because on
the labelit says it's compatible with my type of system, i guess
i'll have to call centon the maker of the ram.

--
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Best Comments From Users:
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completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And
Windows's Faults -Everyone
"JW" wrote in message
...
Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised about
this but first boot will always work fine, it's when the pc has
been hot for a while and then i reboot that i have problem

--
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Best Comments From Users:
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complete fools. -Web

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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message ...
You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the safety
step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every one
and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i couldn't
run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering from
a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is an
example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from a
vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a refund -
*reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the original
ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new there no crud or
dust on the monitor or the keyboard even less inside the
comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got ****ed off when i
saw a little scratch.)

--
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of complete fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And
Windows's Faults -Everyone
"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system said
it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the original
came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it makes a
difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got them
cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock i'm using a
laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock this peticular
laptop, and i have no need to since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know
how to overclock a computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine
does not like the configuration installed or if one of the RAM
chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of the
ram, which doesn't change much because both of them are 1 gb,
and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me because they
are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering from
a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is an
example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from a
vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a refund -
*reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?












  #23 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 03:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
Computer & Sound System Tech
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Default trouble with new ram

i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard is
4gb.

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Faults -Everyone
"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's manual.
Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not in slots 1
and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the same
since they don't even have the same number of chips on each card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have the
same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number, same amount
of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same except for the
fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i don't understand how
they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i got came with lifetime
warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but then again i'm not a ram
knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it is
only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of users, not
during boot or during a session of windows only at the end of boot.
don't know if this makes a difference.

--
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Best Comments From Users:
Vista is satan's way to bring hell to earth. -Me

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's
Faults -Everyone
"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller computer
outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it may
well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory performance.
At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset by spurious
faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially budget
memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as half decent
memory but they have failed to maintain a level of performance expected
of 'high performance RAM. Really high performance RAM will cost double
that of budget RAM, but high performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the same
as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set, and
depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether it is a
'4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock' capable.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is because
they aren't paired which i can't understand why they wouldn't be, but
never researched ram either so i'll let you tell me why, but what if
instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb and one 1gb would this
would or would i still have the same problem?

--
Licensed Boating Capt. Jonathan Perreault
http://www.AllAboutGames.BraveHost.com
- note: click continue, when it ask about security certificate -

Best Comments From Users:
Vista is satan's way to bring hell to earth. -Me

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's
Faults -Everyone
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't have
money to get new chip and getting the impression getting same but new
ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

--
Licensed Boating Capt. Jonathan Perreault
http://www.AllAboutGames.BraveHost.com
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Best Comments From Users:
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A common mistake that people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's
Faults -Everyone
"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature
means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

--
Licensed Boating Capt. Jonathan Perreault
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completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools. -Web

No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And
Windows's Faults -Everyone
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set up
is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the max
is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird because
on the labelit says it's compatible with my type of system, i guess
i'll have to call centon the maker of the ram.

--
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"JW" wrote in message
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Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when the
pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i have
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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every one
and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i couldn't
run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is an
example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from a
vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a refund -
*reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the original
ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new there no crud or
dust on the monitor or the keyboard even less inside the
comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got ****ed off when i
saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system said
it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the original
came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it makes a
difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got them
cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock i'm using
a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock this
peticular laptop, and i have no need to since it's fast
2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine
does not like the configuration installed or if one of the
RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of the
ram, which doesn't change much because both of them are 1 gb,
and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me because they
are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is an
example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from a
vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a refund -
*reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?













  #24 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 04:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
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Default trouble with new ram

Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified in
your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or not
correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim can be
used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in message
...
i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard is
4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's manual.
Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not in slots 1
and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the same
since they don't even have the same number of chips on each card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have the
same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number, same
amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same except
for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i don't
understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i got came
with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but then again
i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it is
only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of users, not
during boot or during a session of windows only at the end of boot.
don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller computer
outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it
may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset by
spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially budget
memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as half decent
memory but they have failed to maintain a level of performance
expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high performance RAM will
cost double that of budget RAM, but high performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set, and
depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether it is a
'4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock' capable.

--
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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is because
they aren't paired which i can't understand why they wouldn't be, but
never researched ram either so i'll let you tell me why, but what if
instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb and one 1gb would this
would or would i still have the same problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't have
money to get new chip and getting the impression getting same but
new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature
means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set
up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the
max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird
because on the labelit says it's compatible with my type of
system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when the
pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i have
problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message ...
You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every one
and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i couldn't
run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from
a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a
refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the original
ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new there no crud
or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even less inside the
comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got ****ed off when i
saw a little scratch.)

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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system said
it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it
makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got them
cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock i'm using
a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock this
peticular laptop, and i have no need to since it's fast
2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a computer just not this
one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine
does not like the configuration installed or if one of the
RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of
the ram, which doesn't change much because both of them are
1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me
because they are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order from
a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a
refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did you
last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the cooling
fan?














  #25 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 08:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
Computer & Sound System Expert
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Default trouble with new ram

well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on the web
site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is the problem
and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are using 533mhz so i
can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being used when i had it, now i
have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is using all of it. so i don't know
what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified in
your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or not
correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim can be
used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in message
...
i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard is
4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's manual.
Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not in slots 1
and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have
the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number, same
amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same except
for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i don't
understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i got
came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but then
again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it is
only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of users, not
during boot or during a session of windows only at the end of boot.
don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller computer
outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it
may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset by
spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially budget
memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as half decent
memory but they have failed to maintain a level of performance
expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high performance RAM will
cost double that of budget RAM, but high performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set, and
depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether it is
a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is because
they aren't paired which i can't understand why they wouldn't be,
but never researched ram either so i'll let you tell me why, but
what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb and one 1gb
would this would or would i still have the same problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't have
money to get new chip and getting the impression getting same but
new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature
means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set
up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the
max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird
because on the labelit says it's compatible with my type of
system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when the
pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i have
problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message ...
You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every
one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i
couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order
from a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a
refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the original
ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new there no crud
or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even less inside the
comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got ****ed off when i
saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it
makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock i'm
using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock this
peticular laptop, and i have no need to since it's fast
2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a computer just not this
one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine
does not like the configuration installed or if one of the
RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of
the ram, which doesn't change much because both of them are
1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me
because they are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does not
work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact the
vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order
from a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for a
refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?















  #26 (permalink)  
Old October 24th 07, 09:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
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Default trouble with new ram

Are you saying that you now have 1.5 GB working?
It Vista all memory must be running at the same speed.

"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in message
...
well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on the
web site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is the
problem and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are using
533mhz so i can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being used when i
had it, now i have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is using all of it.
so i don't know what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified
in your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or not
correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim can be
used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard
is 4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's
manual. Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not in
slots 1 and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have
the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number, same
amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same except
for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i don't
understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i got
came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but then
again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it is
only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of users,
not during boot or during a session of windows only at the end of
boot. don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller
computer outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it
may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset
by spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially budget
memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as half decent
memory but they have failed to maintain a level of performance
expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high performance RAM will
cost double that of budget RAM, but high performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set,
and depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether
it is a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

--
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Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is because
they aren't paired which i can't understand why they wouldn't be,
but never researched ram either so i'll let you tell me why, but
what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb and one 1gb
would this would or would i still have the same problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't
have money to get new chip and getting the impression getting same
but new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature
means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
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i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can set
up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32 and the
max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and it's weird
because on the labelit says it's compatible with my type of
system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when
the pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i have
problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does
not work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every
one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i
couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order
from a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for
a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the
original ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new
there no crud or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even
less inside the comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got
****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it
makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock
i'm using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to overclock
this peticular laptop, and i have no need to since it's
fast 2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a computer just not
this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the machine
does not like the configuration installed or if one of the
RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of
the ram, which doesn't change much because both of them
are 1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me
because they are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from the
beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or other
reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased does
not work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do the
issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial is
an example. If you don't want to do that, at least order
from a vendor that will allow you to return the memory for
a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
















  #27 (permalink)  
Old October 25th 07, 03:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
Computer & Sound System Expert
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Default trouble with new ram

yes, it is working but slow as hell. i had better performance with the two
gig. only had a automatic reboot once during the loading of the display, but
i believe vista was having a bad day....... ps: don't ask me to explain
it..... because after this "bad day" it hasn't made any trouble. but i'm
running it in testing mode(meaning i'm purposely keeping the ram (the one
gig chip) warm by working it, and rebooting often to see if the incident
will happen again.

what i'm doing is testing both of my chip to see if i have a defective chip,
that way i could go to centon(the maker of the 1gig chip) and tell them: "ok
yes i had a problem before, and you told me to run diagnosis which didn't
find anything but i narrowed it down to one chip being bad" hopefully i'll
be able to say that, if both of them reproduce the error then there's not
much i can do.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you saying that you now have 1.5 GB working?
It Vista all memory must be running at the same speed.

"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in
message ...
well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on the
web site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is the
problem and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are using
533mhz so i can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being used when i
had it, now i have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is using all of it.
so i don't know what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified
in your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or
not correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim
can be used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard
is 4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's
manual. Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not
in slots 1 and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each
card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have
the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number,
same amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same
except for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i
don't understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that i
got came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram, but
then again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it
is only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of
users, not during boot or during a session of windows only at the
end of boot. don't know if this makes a difference.

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Windows's Faults -Everyone
"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller
computer outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and it
may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset
by spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially
budget memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as
half decent memory but they have failed to maintain a level of
performance expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high
performance RAM will cost double that of budget RAM, but high
performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set,
and depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether
it is a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know life
keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is
because they aren't paired which i can't understand why they
wouldn't be, but never researched ram either so i'll let you tell
me why, but what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb
and one 1gb would this would or would i still have the same
problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't
have money to get new chip and getting the impression getting
same but new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is
though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this feature
means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
in message
...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can
set up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32
and the max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and
it's weird because on the labelit says it's compatible with my
type of system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of
the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
...
Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when
the pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i
have problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every
one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i
couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial
is an example. If you don't want to do that, at least
order from a vendor that will allow you to return the
memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the ram,
fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the
original ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new
there no crud or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even
less inside the comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i got
****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if it
makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz, same
amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock
i'm using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to
overclock this peticular laptop, and i have no need to
since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a
computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the
machine does not like the configuration installed or if
one of the RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have to
though it out because all i can do is change the order of
the ram, which doesn't change much because both of them
are 1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would surprise me
because they are even a year old(not even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory is
incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider ordering
from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility. Crucial
is an example. If you don't want to do that, at least
order from a vendor that will allow you to return the
memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if it's
incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?

















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Old October 25th 07, 01:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
Mike Hall - MVP[_2_]
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Default trouble with new ram

Like I said, memory has to used in properly matched pairs. For now, just
find the pairing that works best until such time as you can get a matched
pair..

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"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in message
...
yes, it is working but slow as hell. i had better performance with the two
gig. only had a automatic reboot once during the loading of the display,
but i believe vista was having a bad day....... ps: don't ask me to
explain it..... because after this "bad day" it hasn't made any trouble.
but i'm running it in testing mode(meaning i'm purposely keeping the ram
(the one gig chip) warm by working it, and rebooting often to see if the
incident will happen again.

what i'm doing is testing both of my chip to see if i have a defective
chip, that way i could go to centon(the maker of the 1gig chip) and tell
them: "ok yes i had a problem before, and you told me to run diagnosis
which didn't find anything but i narrowed it down to one chip being bad"
hopefully i'll be able to say that, if both of them reproduce the error
then there's not much i can do.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you saying that you now have 1.5 GB working?
It Vista all memory must be running at the same speed.

"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in
message ...
well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on the
web site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is the
problem and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are using
533mhz so i can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being used when
i had it, now i have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is using all of
it. so i don't know what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified
in your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or
not correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim
can be used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard
is 4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's
manual. Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not
in slots 1 and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each
card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have
the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number,
same amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same
except for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i
don't understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that
i got came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram,
but then again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it
is only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of
users, not during boot or during a session of windows only at the
end of boot. don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller
computer outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and
it may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset
by spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially
budget memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as
half decent memory but they have failed to maintain a level of
performance expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high
performance RAM will cost double that of budget RAM, but high
performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set,
and depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether
it is a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know
life keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is
because they aren't paired which i can't understand why they
wouldn't be, but never researched ram either so i'll let you tell
me why, but what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb
and one 1gb would this would or would i still have the same
problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't
have money to get new chip and getting the impression getting
same but new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is
though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this
feature means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
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i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can
set up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32
and the max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and
it's weird because on the labelit says it's compatible with my
type of system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of
the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when
the pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i
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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
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You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every
one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i
couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility.
Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do that, at
least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if
it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the
ram, fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original
ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the
original ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new
there no crud or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even
less inside the comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i
got ****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if
it makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz,
same amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock
i'm using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to
overclock this peticular laptop, and i have no need to
since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a
computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the
machine does not like the configuration installed or if
one of the RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have
to though it out because all i can do is change the
order of the ram, which doesn't change much because both
of them are 1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would
surprise me because they are even a year old(not even 6
month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility.
Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do that, at
least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if
it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?


















  #29 (permalink)  
Old October 25th 07, 01:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
JW
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Default trouble with new ram

If you do not have a Ready Boost capable 2GB flash drive installed I suggest
you get one, format it Fat32 and configure it for Ready Boost. Ready Boost
acts a cache memory for your paging file and may give you a real performance
boost for not much money. I have a 2GB USB flash on my desktop and a 2GB SD
card on my laptop and it really helps these 1GB memory Vista systems.
"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in message
...
yes, it is working but slow as hell. i had better performance with the two
gig. only had a automatic reboot once during the loading of the display,
but i believe vista was having a bad day....... ps: don't ask me to
explain it..... because after this "bad day" it hasn't made any trouble.
but i'm running it in testing mode(meaning i'm purposely keeping the ram
(the one gig chip) warm by working it, and rebooting often to see if the
incident will happen again.

what i'm doing is testing both of my chip to see if i have a defective
chip, that way i could go to centon(the maker of the 1gig chip) and tell
them: "ok yes i had a problem before, and you told me to run diagnosis
which didn't find anything but i narrowed it down to one chip being bad"
hopefully i'll be able to say that, if both of them reproduce the error
then there's not much i can do.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you saying that you now have 1.5 GB working?
It Vista all memory must be running at the same speed.

"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in
message ...
well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on the
web site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is the
problem and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are using
533mhz so i can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being used when
i had it, now i have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is using all of
it. so i don't know what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as specified
in your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is too fast or
not correct in some other specification and therefore only one 512 dim
can be used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this motherboard
is 4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's
manual. Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not
in slots 1 and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
...
They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each
card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
message ...
what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they have
the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin number,
same amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly the same
except for the fact that there is two chip instead of one. so i
don't understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and the ram that
i got came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was budget ram,
but then again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it
is only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of
users, not during boot or during a session of windows only at the
end of boot. don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
...
Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller
computer outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and
it may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be offset
by spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially
budget memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as
half decent memory but they have failed to maintain a level of
performance expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high
performance RAM will cost double that of budget RAM, but high
performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100% the
same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set,
and depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine whether
it is a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

--
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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know
life keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is
because they aren't paired which i can't understand why they
wouldn't be, but never researched ram either so i'll let you tell
me why, but what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old 512mb
and one 1gb would this would or would i still have the same
problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't
have money to get new chip and getting the impression getting
same but new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is
though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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...
this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this
feature means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can
set up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32
and the max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and
it's weird because on the labelit says it's compatible with my
type of system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker of
the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not surprised
about this but first boot will always work fine, it's when
the pc has been hot for a while and then i reboot that i
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You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just every
one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point where i
couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility.
Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do that, at
least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if
it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the
ram, fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original
ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the
original ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new
there no crud or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even
less inside the comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i
got ****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with pc2-5300
ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i believe the
original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz, don't know if
it makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz,
same amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock
i'm using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to
overclock this peticular laptop, and i have no need to
since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a
computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the
machine does not like the configuration installed or if
one of the RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have
to though it out because all i can do is change the
order of the ram, which doesn't change much because both
of them are 1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it would
surprise me because they are even a year old(not even 6
month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you purchased
does not work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost 6
months with the issues you cite? Why did you not contact
the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee compatibility.
Crucial is an example. If you don't want to do that, at
least order from a vendor that will allow you to return
the memory for a refund - *reasonable* restocking fee if
it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When did
you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in the
cooling fan?


















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Old October 25th 07, 01:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
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Default trouble with new ram

actually readyboost imbeeded my system, so bad i had it disabled completly
to save system resorces(sorry for spelling), i think i will try a complete
system restore to get rid of any old drivers that could give me a blue
screen and this time around i want to keep my laptop simple instead of
having a lot of software, that could destailize my system, i'll have the
minimum. but it'll take me a few days to do a complete backup of all the
important info that i have like the license of the programs i had bought.
cuz i would hate to realise that i can't use that program anymore like my
fax software, or my caller-id program.

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"JW" wrote in message
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If you do not have a Ready Boost capable 2GB flash drive installed I
suggest you get one, format it Fat32 and configure it for Ready Boost.
Ready Boost acts a cache memory for your paging file and may give you a
real performance boost for not much money. I have a 2GB USB flash on my
desktop and a 2GB SD card on my laptop and it really helps these 1GB
memory Vista systems.
"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in
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yes, it is working but slow as hell. i had better performance with the
two gig. only had a automatic reboot once during the loading of the
display, but i believe vista was having a bad day....... ps: don't ask me
to explain it..... because after this "bad day" it hasn't made any
trouble. but i'm running it in testing mode(meaning i'm purposely keeping
the ram (the one gig chip) warm by working it, and rebooting often to see
if the incident will happen again.

what i'm doing is testing both of my chip to see if i have a defective
chip, that way i could go to centon(the maker of the 1gig chip) and tell
them: "ok yes i had a problem before, and you told me to run diagnosis
which didn't find anything but i narrowed it down to one chip being bad"
hopefully i'll be able to say that, if both of them reproduce the error
then there's not much i can do.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you saying that you now have 1.5 GB working?
It Vista all memory must be running at the same speed.

"Computer & Sound System Expert" wrote in
message ...
well as i said previously it's possible i noticed that the original ram
operate at 533mhz and the new one at 667mhz, now on the label and on
the web site it says they are compatible, but i don't know if that is
the problem and unfortunatly i don't have money to get some that are
using 533mhz so i can't test it. butthe whole 2 gig is or was being
used when i had it, now i have one gig and a 512mb on and windows is
using all of it. so i don't know what the problem is specifically.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you bought the correct memory for your laptop as
specified in your User's manual. You possibly bought memory that is
too fast or not correct in some other specification and therefore only
one 512 dim can be used at a time.

"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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i only have two memory slots, and the max supported by this
motherboard is 4gb.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Are you sure you installed them IAW with your SystemMOBOs user's
manual. Normally a pair of matched DDR2s go in slots 1 and 3 and not
in slots 1 and 2.
"JW" wrote in message
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They are obviously not a matched pair even though the specs are the
same since they don't even have the same number of chips on each
card.
"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote in
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what i don't understand is i bought them at the same time they
have the same maker, same model ddr2, same pc2-5300, same pin
number, same amount of memory 1gb, same speed. they are practicaly
the same except for the fact that there is two chip instead of
one. so i don't understand how they couldn't be matched, oh and
the ram that i got came with lifetime warranty, so i dought it was
budget ram, but then again i'm not a ram knowing guy.

oh and i forgot to say this when i get the blue screen of death it
is only at the end of boot when windows is loading the list of
users, not during boot or during a session of windows only at the
end of boot. don't know if this makes a difference.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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Matched pairs, as in twins.. some trade in old memory and buy two
matching sticks, same type, speed, manufacturer. The smaller
computer outlets will do this generally.

As more performance is screwed out of x86, it becomes ever more
critical that all components are 'just so'.

Re memory, buying non matching sticks will double the memory and
it may well work. Most likely, the system will see reduced memory
performance. At worst, any gain in memory available will be
offset by spurious faults and/or BSODs.

Some memory is labeled clearly. Much of it is not, especially
budget memory. Budget memory sticks are essentially the same as
half decent memory but they have failed to maintain a level of
performance expected of 'high performance RAM. Really high
performance RAM will cost double that of budget RAM, but high
performance is guaranteed.

If you look at adverts for RAM, you will see that some is sold in
pairs. These have been tested and found to be as close to 100%
the same as is possible. One pays a premium for this.

CPUs follow much the same pattern. Levels of performance are set,
and depending upon how reliable each CPU is will determine
whether it is a '4000+', '3800+', '3500+', 3200+', or '3000+'.

Lower reliability levels also bring with them less chance of over
clocking a system, assuming that the mainboard is 'overclock'
capable.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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ok i thought you would've answered by now but it's ok, i know
life keeps us busy, i had an idea, if the problem that i have is
because they aren't paired which i can't understand why they
wouldn't be, but never researched ram either so i'll let you
tell me why, but what if instead of having two 1gb i use my old
512mb and one 1gb would this would or would i still have the
same problem?

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"Computer & Sound System Tech" wrote
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how in the hell(sorry for language, just irritated cuz i don't
have money to get new chip and getting the impression getting
same but new ram won't help) are you supposed to know if it is
though.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote in message
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The fact that your memory score rose when reducing the amount
installed suggests that the two sticks were not matched..

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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this is stupid i do a downgrade from 2gb to 1gb of ram and my
system score is higher by .1 well, you can see how this
feature means nothing usefull and isn't accurate.

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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i can't i don't have an option for this the only thing i can
set up is how much ram to use as video memory, the min is 32
and the max is 256, right now i have it set up as 64mb, and
it's weird because on the labelit says it's compatible with
my type of system, i guess i'll have to call centon the maker
of the ram.

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"JW" wrote in message
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Sound like the additional memory is drawing too much power.
I suggest that you slow down the memory speed in your BIOS.
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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well first boot is alright but very slow, i'm not
surprised about this but first boot will always work fine,
it's when the pc has been hot for a while and then i
reboot that i have problem

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"Computer & Sound System Tech"
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You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you
purchased does not work properly in your laptop.
hummm ok well it wasn't the static because i took all the
safety step(i'm A++ classes for computer repair
graduated)

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost
6 months with the issues you cite? Why did you not
contact the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

yes although it wasn't that bad at first it was just
every one and a while, but yesterday it was at a point
where i couldn't run my pc at all.

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee
compatibility. Crucial is an example. If you don't want
to do that, at least order from a vendor that will allow
you to return the memory for a refund - *reasonable*
restocking fee if it's incompatible.

will post back to say what happen when i downgrade the
ram, fortunatly i was smart enough to keep the original
ram

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When
did you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in
the cooling fan?
it might be heat but never had this problem with the
original ram, so i don't know. and this pc is brand new
there no crud or dust on the monitor or the keyboard even
less inside the comparment(i keep this pc very clean, i
got ****ed off when i saw a little scratch.)

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"PvdG42" wrote in message
...
"Computer & Sound System Tech"
wrote in message
...
Run memory tests, but give memory a chance.
i did i can't see the result i ran the windows memory
diagnosis tool and the result aren't showing the system
said it would tell me, but it's not.

Ensure that it is the correct type.

i use the exact same model that my pc came with
pc2-5300 ddr2-667mhz, although i might be wrong i
believe the original came with pc2-5300 ddr2-533mhz,
don't know if it makes a difference

If you are going to pair RAM, ensure that sticks are
matched.

they are the exact same thing, same maker, same mhz,
same amount (1gbx2)

If you are using budget makes, do NOT overclock your
machine.

don't know what you mean by budget makes, but yes i got
them cheap 39.99 each, and in my case i can't overclock
i'm using a laptop, which i wouldn't know how to
overclock this peticular laptop, and i have no need to
since it's fast 2.0ghz.(i know how to overclock a
computer just not this one)

The errors will keep popping up for as long as the
machine does not like the configuration installed or if
one of the RAM chips is faulty.

well if it doesn't like the configuration it will have
to though it out because all i can do is change the
order of the ram, which doesn't change much because
both of them are 1 gb, and as for the faulty ram, it
would surprise me because they are even a year old(not
even 6 month.)

You should not be surprised at all. RAM can be bad from
the beginning, or go bad due to static electricity or
other reasons. For whatever reason, the RAM you
purchased does not work properly in your laptop.

Are you saying that you have had this memory for almost
6 months with the issues you cite? Why did you not
contact the vendor as soon as the problems appeared?

What happens if you put the original memory back in? Do
the issues disappear? That's a sure sign the new memory
is incompatible. Did the vendor give you a compatibility
guarantee? Perhaps, next time you should consider
ordering from a vendor that does guarantee
compatibility. Crucial is an example. If you don't want
to do that, at least order from a vendor that will allow
you to return the memory for a refund - *reasonable*
restocking fee if it's incompatible.

Is there any chance the issues are heat related? When
did you last disassemble the laptop to check for crud in
the cooling fan?



















 




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