I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable - one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

There is a definite hardware correlation to the autotuning and rss
settings and the switches/routers you are connected to...

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net



On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:52:34 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable - one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

It's not only routers... I myself have distinct problems with W2K3 R2
boxen from any Vista laptop in any environment - my office or at home.
W2K3 or W2K8 beta boxes do not exhibit the same performance hit.

Disabling autotuning and rss made the speed difference negligible.

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:04:03 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

Thanks for your suggested. I've defeated rss. Here are the results:

Straight line to router: 20 Kbs down
Gig switch in middle 300 Kbs
Cheap hub in middle: 2200 Kbs

I've pulled all optimization from the onboard Intell Pro Ethernet chip, set
static IP, turned off Network discovery, disabled autotuning, upgraded all
drivers and patches, and all the other things that 2 weeks of searching has
turned up. Performance under Vista is lousy.

Any more ideas?

Michael



"Jeffrey Randow" wrote in message
...
It's not only routers... I myself have distinct problems with W2K3 R2
boxen from any Vista laptop in any environment - my office or at home.
W2K3 or W2K8 beta boxes do not exhibit the same performance hit.

Disabling autotuning and rss made the speed difference negligible.

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:04:03 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines
and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until
later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines
into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of
them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

There's more to report.

In all cases, the problem is related to DOWNLOAD speeds. Upload speeds are
relatively unaffected after each change and match the baseline on other
equipment connected by the network to the cable modem (300 Kbs up).

So if a straight through cable is connected, the upload speed is ten times
the download - a truly bizarre circumstance in a cable modem environment.

Michael




"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your suggested. I've defeated rss. Here are the results:

Straight line to router: 20 Kbs down
Gig switch in middle 300 Kbs
Cheap hub in middle: 2200 Kbs

I've pulled all optimization from the onboard Intell Pro Ethernet chip,
set static IP, turned off Network discovery, disabled autotuning, upgraded
all drivers and patches, and all the other things that 2 weeks of
searching has turned up. Performance under Vista is lousy.

Any more ideas?

Michael



"Jeffrey Randow" wrote in message
...
It's not only routers... I myself have distinct problems with W2K3 R2
boxen from any Vista laptop in any environment - my office or at home.
W2K3 or W2K8 beta boxes do not exhibit the same performance hit.

Disabling autotuning and rss made the speed difference negligible.

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:04:03 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines
and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until
later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else
can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines
into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of
them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub
between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

That doesn't look very good.. My wireless is faster than that...

The ultimate solution I had to the network speed issues isn't
appropriate to the newsgroups yet - SP1. Everything else was a
band-aid...

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net


On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:36:26 -0500, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Thanks for your suggested. I've defeated rss. Here are the results:

Straight line to router: 20 Kbs down
Gig switch in middle 300 Kbs
Cheap hub in middle: 2200 Kbs

I've pulled all optimization from the onboard Intell Pro Ethernet chip, set
static IP, turned off Network discovery, disabled autotuning, upgraded all
drivers and patches, and all the other things that 2 weeks of searching has
turned up. Performance under Vista is lousy.

Any more ideas?

Michael



"Jeffrey Randow" wrote in message
.. .
It's not only routers... I myself have distinct problems with W2K3 R2
boxen from any Vista laptop in any environment - my office or at home.
W2K3 or W2K8 beta boxes do not exhibit the same performance hit.

Disabling autotuning and rss made the speed difference negligible.

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:04:03 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines
and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until
later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines
into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of
them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael

Just came across this:
http://www.ads-links.com/index.php/h...-transfer.html

Try to see if any of those things can help.. I second the McAfee
recommendation!!!
---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net



On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:22:27 -0500, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

There's more to report.

In all cases, the problem is related to DOWNLOAD speeds. Upload speeds are
relatively unaffected after each change and match the baseline on other
equipment connected by the network to the cable modem (300 Kbs up).

So if a straight through cable is connected, the upload speed is ten times
the download - a truly bizarre circumstance in a cable modem environment.

Michael




"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your suggested. I've defeated rss. Here are the results:

Straight line to router: 20 Kbs down
Gig switch in middle 300 Kbs
Cheap hub in middle: 2200 Kbs

I've pulled all optimization from the onboard Intell Pro Ethernet chip,
set static IP, turned off Network discovery, disabled autotuning, upgraded
all drivers and patches, and all the other things that 2 weeks of
searching has turned up. Performance under Vista is lousy.

Any more ideas?

Michael



"Jeffrey Randow" wrote in message
...
It's not only routers... I myself have distinct problems with W2K3 R2
boxen from any Vista laptop in any environment - my office or at home.
W2K3 or W2K8 beta boxes do not exhibit the same performance hit.

Disabling autotuning and rss made the speed difference negligible.

---
Jeffrey Randow

Windows Networking MVP 2001-2006
http://www.networkblog.net

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:04:03 -0400, "Michael Clifford"
wrote:

Here are two updates:

I put a Vista certified switch in line, replacing the hub. No go: Speed
decreased from 6 Mbs to 300 Kbs.

Just a moment ago, I heard about
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932134/en-us . There's an internet
connectivity tool you can download to test XP machines, Vista machines
and,
more importantly, the router in the home network. I can't use it until
later
today, since it may break my connection to work. Perhaps somebody else
can
try it.

Michael Clifford

"Michael Clifford" wrote in message
.. .
I too am having problems integrating two new identical Vista machines
into
my home network. All the XP machines run fine.

The two machines connect, but performance is ISDN speeds versus cable -
one
hundreth of the anticipated speed of 6 Mbs.

I've searched and found over 30 remedies and have started on some of
them
(turning off Statefull Packet Inspection and Autotune, install all
upgrades,
etc etc etc - life should be simplier with this).

However, I've accidentally found a surefire fix: Plug an old hub
between
the
PC and the router. Speeds are instantly restored. Nothing else works.

This hub as Auto-Negotiation and I'm wondering if that somehow fixes
Windows
Scaling or some of the other "improvements" that have made this a
miserable
experience.

Any ideas? Somebody want to confirm the hub trick?

Regards,

Michael