Julian;513397 Wrote:
Brink - as per the tutorial, you set the All Folders to "Not
Specified"...
could it be given a value so that the default is a template of choice
(as I
said above, mine seems to be Photos and Videos - I would like it to be
"All
Items).

What values correspond to the existing Folder Templates?

Julian

Hi Julian,

Thank you. That sparked a good idea.

Here is what I have so far:
NotSpecified = All Items folder template
Contacts = Contacts template
Music = Music Details template
Documents = Documents template
Pictures = Pictures and Videos template

I updated the tutorial to reflect this. See step 20.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/70...-settings.html

Shawn


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"brink" wrote:

Thank you. That sparked a good idea.

Just call me your man Flint g

Here is what I have so far:
NotSpecified = All Items folder template
Contacts = Contacts template
Music = Music Details template
Documents = Documents template
Pictures = Pictures and Videos template

I updated the tutorial to reflect this. See step 20.

Excellent! Which only leaves the question why, since I already have
"NotSpecified" set, folders such as C:\SYSPREP (which I have never knowingly
customised before) or even C: itself (whose view cannot be "customized")
appear as "Pictures and Videos"?

Something else is still going on I guess... but this is another step forward!

Is there perchance a secret "AllItems" (or "All Items") option as well - so
that it is explicitly rather than implicitly "All Items"? Would it make a
difference???

Keep up the good work!!!

BTW - why do your posts (and nobody else's I have seen) always lose their
line breaks when viewed in the forum (at
windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/...; Firefox 2.0.0.9) -
only to reappear when one replies?

Julian;513530 Wrote:


Just call me your man Flint g


Excellent! Which only leaves the question why, since I already have
"NotSpecified" set, folders such as C:\SYSPREP (which I have never
knowingly
customised before) or even C: itself (whose view cannot be
"customized")
appear as "Pictures and Videos"?

Something else is still going on I guess... but this is another step
forward!

Is there perchance a secret "AllItems" (or "All Items") option as well
- so
that it is explicitly rather than implicitly "All Items"? Would it make
a
difference???

Keep up the good work!!!

BTW - why do your posts (and nobody else's I have seen) always lose
their
line breaks when viewed in the forum (at
windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/...; Firefox 2.0.0.9)
-
only to reappear when one replies?

Julian (Flint) ,

Your "C:\Windows\(System32 or SysWOW64)\sysprep" may have been affected
when you made a change to another folder view of the same template type.
I notice that pops up sometimes before it needs a reset.
I still have not narrowed down exactly what causes Vista to lose it's
memory or messes up the folder views. I did notice that some utility
programs that have a option to clean or clear anything with the "folder
view" cache or "window size/location" cache will mess the folder view
settings up. (EX: CCleaner) It can simply be resolved by unchecking the
option.


The "NotSpecified" is for the "All Items" template. I did the download
reset and did a logoff and logon. Every folder view type template I have
was set to "All Items". You might try changing it to something else,
then back to "NotSpecified", after the reset has been done, to see if
that makes a difference for you. The changes are immediate., but I
would close all Windows Explorer windows to not have to worry about
doing a refresh.


I am not sure what you mean by losing the line breaks in my posts.
Could you post a link to an example so I can see it?


Let me know how it goes for you. Perhaps we can get this problem
cracked for good.

Shawn


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"brink" wrote:

I am not sure what you mean by losing the line breaks in my posts.
Could you post a link to an example so I can see it?

How odd... I said I was using Firefox 2.0.0.9 so I thought I'd see what it
looked like in IE7 where, hey presto! your posting looks perfectly normal!

Come to that, the whole "page layout" is different between IE7 and Firefox
(I am tempted to conclude that MS actually sends different HTML if it detects
Firefox in use...?)

I guess you don't use Firefox... download it and have a look at this thread
g

FYI I don't have CCleaner and AFAIK don't have any other "utilities" that
might mess with the views...

I'll think about doing a reset at the weekend... I'll lose everything if I
throw away the MRUYBags and at least *some* of my folders *usually* look the
way I want them at the moment! (isn't that a ringing endorsement of Vista's
Folder Templates!)

Thinks... perhaps I could export the MRU bags and if it all goes pear-shaped
re-import?

One other thing that bugs me - what determines how a template appears? I am
fairly sure that I thought - stay with me here! - that however a view was
set, it effectively redefined the template (as long as there was one), but I
am also fairly sure I have seen templated folders immune to changes to the
view made in another folder of that type...

I just love the transparency of the whole Folder View/Template thing, don't
you?

....and is there any way of having disconnecting the Preview pane from folder
views/templates? I have noticed that it seems to be either on or off - and
whilst it's "essential" for e.g. Fonts folder, it's a pain in most other
folders (esp. since there don't seem to be preview handlers for Office 2002
docs... sigh I could preview in XP OK... what are the chances, he asked
expecting the answer "none", that XP preview handlers could be "ported"
somehow to Vista?)

BTW, I looked at the keys in the MRU Bags and there appears to be
interesting stuff.. except that it's not clear which bag applies to which
folder, otherwise I would say the fix for overly dynamic views was to set up
your own "template folders" - exprort the keys and then dynamically modify
the export to apply to a folder of choice!

More later perhaps...

Again thanks for the good work on behalf of the rest of us!

Julian;513941 Wrote:

How odd... I said I was using Firefox 2.0.0.9 so I thought I'd see what
it
looked like in IE7 where, hey presto! your posting looks perfectly
normal!

Come to that, the whole "page layout" is different between IE7 and
Firefox
(I am tempted to conclude that MS actually sends different HTML if it
detects
Firefox in use...?)

I guess you don't use Firefox... download it and have a look at this
thread
g


LOL, it would not surprise me that there is a little warfare going on
there.



FYI I don't have CCleaner and AFAIK don't have any other "utilities"
that
might mess with the views...

I'll think about doing a reset at the weekend... I'll lose everything
if I
throw away the MRUYBags and at least *some* of my folders *usually*
look the
way I want them at the moment! (isn't that a ringing endorsement of
Vista's
Folder Templates!)

Thinks... perhaps I could export the MRU bags and if it all goes
pear-shaped
re-import?

Yes, if you export all the keys that are changed in the reset, then you
can delete the changes and import the old keys back to restore to it to
the way it was before. When I apply the this reset, I usually never have
a problem again with the folder view settings, unless I go poking around
and change something I shouldn't just to see what happens. :geek: LOL



One other thing that bugs me - what determines how a template appears?
I am
fairly sure that I thought - stay with me here! - that however a view
was
set, it effectively redefined the template (as long as there was one),
but I
am also fairly sure I have seen templated folders immune to changes to
the
view made in another folder of that type...

I just love the transparency of the whole Folder View/Template thing,
don't
you?

A template is determined by what type of files are in it. I noticed
that if "Automatic Folder Type Discovery" is enabled, that the "All
Items" template seems to get trumped by any other template when a file
is added to it that is different. (EX: music file in a program folder)

This is the buggy part of Vista. Sometimes there will be no problems,
but sometimes a change on one folder type template will affect another
one of the same type without saying for "All Folders" or "subfolders".



....and is there any way of having disconnecting the Preview pane from
folder
views/templates? I have noticed that it seems to be either on or off -
and
whilst it's "essential" for e.g. Fonts folder, it's a pain in most
other
folders (esp. since there don't seem to be preview handlers for Office
2002
docs... sigh I could preview in XP OK... what are the chances, he
asked
expecting the answer "none", that XP preview handlers could be "ported"
somehow to Vista?)

Sorry, the Preview Pane is a part of the folder view type templates.
The "Contacts" template seems to be the only one that you can have it
turned on for without affecting the other folder view type templates.
Otherwise, like you said, it is either on or off for all of the others.

I have not tried to use XP preview handlers or know how, but I would
imagine that they may not mix to well considering the differences in the
design. It might be worth a reinstall to see though.



BTW, I looked at the keys in the MRU Bags and there appears to be
interesting stuff.. except that it's not clear which bag applies to
which
folder, otherwise I would say the fix for overly dynamic views was to
set up
your own "template folders" - exprort the keys and then dynamically
modify
the export to apply to a folder of choice!

More later perhaps...

Again thanks for the good work on behalf of the rest of us!

I looked in the MRU Bags to, but there is so much stuff there it is
hard to determine what goes with what. Whenever I have a few months off
in a row, I may try to sort it all out to see what I can find. (LOL)
Hopefully I can decipher the mess.

Shawn


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Come on! You know those programmers at microsoft know a lot more about what
you need than you do! They know what we want even before we ask , just look
at the panning folder panel. They are incapable of screwing up or treating
customers like **** ants.

But seriously, I share your pain. microsoft vista file folder behavior is
pathetic! And worse, they don't seem to give a rat's southside. There is
NOTHING IN THE KNOWLEDGE BASE about it, which suggests they have NO KNOWLEDGE
of the problem, or they choose to ignore it.

Just think, if vista file folders behaved properly, I probably would not
have ever posted this. I would still, however, feel the same due to other
sloppy os related programming, and don't get me started on office 07.

SP1? Why not release SP2 and SP3 with SP1. Oh yeah. that's right, they don't
quite know about all the other screwed up problems with vista just yet.
Those have yet to be discovered. But, rest assured, they are there. And they
want the users to find them. I am so tired of being a "non-paid beta
tester", ie. customer. There is no way vista was ready for release 1 year ago.

Well, better go I have work to do and it always takes me longer using vista.
They want more money to downgrade to XP and that's not in the budget. Maybe
one day I can save up to upgrade to the XP downgrade.

Signed,
One very dissatisfied microsoft vista customer.


"Julian" wrote:

"Ray" wrote:

In my experience the folder type detection was wrong far too often.
I finally just disabled it, as described he

http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/kmk...discovery.aspx

As did I a long time ago... unfortunately the *default* template now seems
to be "Photos & Videos" and - believe it or not (I'm sure you will!) You
cannot change the template associated with certain folders (e.g. Windows),
which always use the default.

Why on earth I should be barred from making even cosmetic changes to such
folders is beyond me.

If anyone knows how change the default template back to All Items I'd love
to know (the absence of "discovery" is a wonderful relief though!)

As a general complaint though, folder (view) settings should be stored on a
per folder basis, and not in a size limited list: if I change a folders
appearance that's the way I want THAT folder to appear next time...

Tht's B.S and you know it. I have never heard of this type of problem with
Windows. This is a common everyday problem that was introduced just in Vista.
I don't go around yelping about the M.S. stuff much as Vista has been pretty
good to me, but for a M.S. rep. to come up with a lame response like the
person has had makes M.S. look just like the Bill bashers say. You guys
really don't care about the people or your produce!

"Wandering" wrote:

Well, I can sure sympathize with you. But, it doesn't seem much of a riddle. Every version of Windows since 3.1 (I never tried the earlier versions) had the problem of folders doing what they want to after awhile. Then I suppose the riddle is why is it still happening after 20 years? I guess I just got used to it.
"Keith Hill [MVP]" wrote in message ...
I change it. It gets changed back. It gets rather tiresome.

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"Wandering" wrote in message ...
So change it. It takes less time than writing this note