Zach:


First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a
Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured
last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age
of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs
when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof
anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and
close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you
could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close,
try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a
system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or
home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran
into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we
are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature.
It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep
making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing
the close session from both XP and Vista....

Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize
CDs...

'zachd [MSFT Wrote:
;1127237']Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.

So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't
support
nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
nonfinalized CDs.
If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that
point,
it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.

The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
identical between XP and Vista.

So your options:
* get a modern CD deck; or
* fill the CD; or
* use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero

WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact
of
CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure
of
non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers
to
your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD
hardware
when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama
between
people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want
to
presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards
downstairs
from them. =)

Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out.
And,
as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
anything changed here. =)

Cheers,
-Zach
--
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...

Oscar:

Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping
to
conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware
of
that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am
talking
about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions
such
devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!

Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
less features!!!

You got it OSCAR.....?????


oscar;1125982 Wrote:
According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not
know
the
dfference between mp3 and audio files.

WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players.
I
do
it all the time.

This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.

Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
integrate
with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you
should
be
looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the
hardware
involved.

Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would
better
serve
yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work
so
you
won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
--
oscar

....Right click is your very good friend...


"VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:


You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I
am
sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin
with
so
why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS
Cause
I
was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
this
one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
lesson,
other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!


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With Vista when creating a CD or DVD you can create a Master (finalized
format) or a CD/DVD that can have files added to it live File system format.
Here is some info about the options
"Understanding the difference between the Live File System and Mastered disc
formats
If you have burned CDs using Windows XP, you are already familiar with the
Mastered format. The latest version of Windows offers a new format, called
Live File System. Discs that use the Live File System format are often more
convenient because you can copy selected files immediately and as often as
you want, as if the disc were a floppy disc or USB flash drive. On the other
hand, Live File System discs can't be used in all computers and devices. Use
this guide to understand the difference between Live File System and
Mastered discs:

Discs formatted with the Live File System option:
Work like a USB flash drive or floppy disk, meaning you can copy files to
disc immediately without having to burn them.

Are convenient if you want to keep a disc in the burn drive and copy files
whenever the need arises.

Are only compatible with Windows XP and later versions of Windows.

Discs formatted with the Mastered option:
Don't copy files immediately, meaning you need to select the entire
collection of files that you want to copy to the disc, and then burn them
all at once.

Are convenient if you want to burn a large collection of files, such as a
music CD.

Are compatible with older computers and devices such as CD players and DVD
players.

Why are there different versions of the Live File System format?
Each version of the Live File System format is compatible with different
operating systems. Depending on which computers you plan to use a disc in,
you might need to select a different version of Live File System. If you
plan to use your disc on the latest version of Windows, however, you will
never need to change the version of Live File System you use. If you need to
make discs that are compatible with earlier versions of Windows, use the
table below to select the right Live File System version for your needs:

The following table describes Live File System versions and their
appropriate uses.
"

"VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
wrote in message
...

Zach:


First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a
Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured
last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age
of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs
when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof
anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and
close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you
could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close,
try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a
system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or
home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran
into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we
are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature.
It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep
making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing
the close session from both XP and Vista....

Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize
CDs...

'zachd [MSFT Wrote:
;1127237']Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.

So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't
support
nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
nonfinalized CDs.
If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that
point,
it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.

The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
identical between XP and Vista.

So your options:
* get a modern CD deck; or
* fill the CD; or
* use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero

WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact
of
CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure
of
non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers
to
your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD
hardware
when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama
between
people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want
to
presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards
downstairs
from them. =)

Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out.
And,
as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
anything changed here. =)

Cheers,
-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See 'WMP FAQ: A trouble-shooting guide for Windows Media Player
problems.' (http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html) for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
--
"VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
wrote in
message
...

Oscar:

Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping
to
conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware
of
that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am
talking
about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions
such
devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!

Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
less features!!!

You got it OSCAR.....?????


oscar;1125982 Wrote:
According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not
know
the
dfference between mp3 and audio files.

WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players.
I
do
it all the time.

This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.

Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
integrate
with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you
should
be
looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the
hardware
involved.

Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would
better
serve
yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work
so
you
won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
--
oscar

....Right click is your very good friend...


"VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:


You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I
am
sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin
with
so
why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS
Cause
I
was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
this
one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
lesson,
other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!


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My apologies: I didn't realize that any new technology didn't have this
functionality. My car CD player, and every CD player in my house, plays
back these CDs fine. So there's two factors at work:
* you have technology that does not support non-finalized CDs
* IMAPI doesn't believe it needs to close CDs after you burn a non-full disc

#2 is generally a feature, #1 is a limitation of the product you bought -
there's tons of ways to produce non-finalized CDs, as you evidently already
know.

I think we can both agree that IMAPI is not the be-all end-all of burning
technologies. It's a pretty useful inbox tool that is bettered by other
options such as Nero. By the same token, your otherwise pretty cool Blue
Ray Player is missing some surprising functionality that everybody else has
supported for years. =\

It looks like you have all the information you'd find useful here. I'm
sorry that such an otherwise cool deck doesn't provide that functionality.
=(

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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
wrote in message
...

Zach:


First of all the Car System is in 2007 Dodge Durango, which is new, a
Blue Ray Player which plays Music CDs and MP3 CDs which was manufactured
last year and was purchased for a Xmas gift this last year. So the age
of the equipment is NOT the Issue. The issue is that XP did finalize CDs
when you used the OS to create the CDs where VISTA is not, want proof
anyone try... Simply copy mp3 files to a Record Only or R/W CD and
close the session.... Try this on both an XP and Vista box. In XP you
could finalize the cd by closing the session using drag drop and close,
try this is VISTA.... Then take both CDs and try to play them in a
system that will read data CDs such a car systems that support MP3 or
home DVD or Blue Ray Players...given I am not the only one who has ran
into this issue, I would say the feature changed in VISTA... Oh and we
are not just talking about WMP but the OS, you know the burning feature.
It changed between XP and Vista... If you really want proof just keep
making excuses it is not hard to run a decoder on the CDs after issuing
the close session from both XP and Vista....

Of course applications that are written to use IMAPI will finalize
CDs...

'zachd [MSFT Wrote:
;1127237']Chill, it's an atmosphere of love.

So you're saying you have a very old car audio system that doesn't
support
nonfinalized CDs? I can't imagine any modern CD decks not supporting
nonfinalized CDs.
If you want to FORCE closure/finalization, fill the CD. Until that
point,
it would seem to be logical ~not~ to finalize the CD.

The finalization/non-finalization of CDs is a feature of IMAPI and is
identical between XP and Vista.

So your options:
* get a modern CD deck; or
* fill the CD; or
* use something that explicitly allows finalization such as Nero

WMP has never ever offered some Finalize checkbox. This is an artifact
of
CD Burning and has nothing to do with MP3. The same thing (non-closure
of
non-full-ish CDs) would happen if you burned WMA, MID, DOC, or crackers
to
your CD. "Anti-mp3" conspiracy theory upon this subject is of course
ludicrous. The devs behind MP3 are good people and I've glad to have
personally worked with them. Please don't let your having old CD
hardware
when using a *basic* burning service lead you to invent fake drama
between
people that respect each other. I'll say I like them, but I don't want
to
presume the feeling is mutual, even though I have Christmas cards
downstairs
from them. =)

Anyways, you have three options listed above that should sort you out.
And,
as noted, this has never been a Windows feature ever, so it's not like
anything changed here. =)

Cheers,
-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See 'WMP FAQ: A trouble-shooting guide for Windows Media Player
problems.' (http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html) for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
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"VistaIsTickingMeOFF"
wrote in
message
...

Oscar:

Apparently you don't know the difference between reading and jumping
to
conclusions. Audio files take more CD space, but maybe your not aware
of
that. MP3 compression allows for more files per CD... DUH! I am
talking
about creating an MP3 CD using VISTA which does not close sessions
such
devices like DVD players, car audio systems use them... READ THE
THREAD.... So it is a VISTA ISSUE!!!!

Try you see! I have talked with 10 other Vista users and they all
report the same thing... It does not work unless you use third party
software. So like I said I paid more to upgrade from XP to an OS with
less features!!!

You got it OSCAR.....?????


oscar;1125982 Wrote:
According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not
know
the
dfference between mp3 and audio files.

WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players.
I
do
it all the time.

This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.

Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
integrate
with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you
should
be
looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the
hardware
involved.

Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would
better
serve
yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work
so
you
won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
--
oscar

....Right click is your very good friend...


"VistaIsTickingMeOFF" wrote:


You said it, I cannot believe Microsoft would stoop so low, this I
am
sure was by design... you know MP3 was not their format to begin
with
so
why support this going forward.... I paid more for their new OS
Cause
I
was told it would do more and now I am getting less... Like to see
this
one in their Mojave Experiment...LOL I sure hope they learned a
lesson,
other wise this PC user will soon become a MAC user!


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All:

The issue here is not that my audio systems will not play a non
finalized MP3 CD but rather that most people's system have the same
issue. Maybe we all should have all looked for audio systems with the
"Vista Support Logo". LOL! NOT! I didn't start this thread so my Point
has been all along that VISTA changed the way it deals with burning CDs
from that of XP.

I have tried the MASTERED setting in hopes of creating a finalized CD
with Vista as well as the other people in this thread... Apparently to
no avail. It Does not work for some reason???? There is yet another
thread in the 64 bit area of this site which many users are complaining
of the same issues. So it is that this was either done by Design by
Microsoft, or yet another loss/bug of functionality from XP which should
be addressed.

I will tell you one thing, I will not be upgrading to Microsoft's new
OS anytime soon, cause I can't afford to have deal with change yet again
with the real potiential to loing more functionality.


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An Apology to all; The Mastered setting does work, one wouldn't think
on a less than six month old laptop new drivers were need. Ugh. Again my
apologies, I heard that manufactures were slow to build good drivers for
Vista but this was ridiculous. Should always check for drivers
first.... I knew that.... Thanks to all who tried to help and to have me
only only send back sour responses in return. I feel stupid enough....



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did anyone find a fix for this? I can say i've identified the problem. i
have both OS's at home and if i look at the cd on an XP computer i found
out that vista also burned the album art onto the cd, which made it
incompatible. it basically has both song files and pictures. does anyone
know how to just burn the songs? i currently have to save all my songs
to a removable drive and burn it on my other computer which is a pain


--
kern417

did anyone find a fix for this? I can say i've identified the problem. i
have both OS's at home and if i look at the cd on an XP computer i found
out that vista also burned the album art onto the cd, which made it
incompatible. it basically has both song files and pictures. does anyone
know how to just burn the songs? i currently have to save all my songs
to a removable drive and burn it on my other computer which is a pain


--
kern417

oscar;1125982 Wrote:
According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not know
the
dfference between mp3 and audio files.

WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players. I
do
it all the time.

This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.

Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
integrate
with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you should
be
looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the hardware
involved.

Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would better
serve
yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work so
you
won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
--
oscar

....Right click is your very good friend...

Why is it when someone has a problem and spends time spelling out
“exactly” what it is, there’s always some smart*ss know-it-all that says
it’s a “user error” and ridicules the poster??

Look, “Oscar”, I have the exact same problem as many others have stated
in here. I shouldn't "have" to get a thick Vista book and learn every
friggin thing about the OP. People shouldn't have to become experts with
every new OP that comes out in order to do simple tasks.

I created MP3 discs on my old XP desktop that used to play fine in my
car, but don’t play at all when created on my laptop with Vista.

I have done NOTHING differently. My disc creating procedures are
exactly the same.

I then tried a bunch of different ways to fix the problem -- coming at
it from different directions, methods, and burn programs -- but the
results never vary. The Vista discs always get rejected.

Mind you, once burned they play fine on the laptop they were created
from, so I know the discs are good. There must be something the way the
data is being copied during the burn process that’s different and my car
doesn’t recognize.

I can create WAV (audio) CDs from my Vista machine and they play fine
in the car, so I’m sure the next prescient wisdom I’ll get is to just
stick with audio discs and forget about MP3s. Well, I don’t WANT to burn
audio discs! It defeats the whole purpose? MP3 CDs are able to hold many
more songs so is why most music lovers prefer the format.

I’ve been searching forums like this for months looking for answers and
nothing I’ve tried works. I've also seen many have had the same problem
on different machines and burners, so it's not a manufacturer's problem.


Like many others, I’ve reached the conclusion it must be a Vista
problem. I don’t know if it’s a bug or something "purposely" put in the
software that made the process more complex and incompatible with car
stereos. I was even thinking about spending $$$ to upgrade to Windows 7
to see if that fixes things, but thought, why? Why should I have to
shell out another couple hundred bucks to fix this? Like Gates isn’t
rich enough??? Just very irritating.


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Is the car CD player old-ish? I'm wondering if it doesn't support
non-finalized CDs... ?

The inbox burner is pretty elementary. It's hard to know the difference
in what you're burning without seeing the burnt CDs. =\

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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--

On 5/10/2010 10:31 PM, MotownJeff wrote:
oscar;1125982 Wrote:
According to your heading and your post, it appears that you do not know
the
dfference between mp3 and audio files.

WMP can easily create audio cd's that are useable in car cd players. I
do
it all the time.

This appears to be a user problem and not a Vista problem.

Vista is an operating system which allows software such as WMP to
integrate
with the hardware. If you have a problem creating audio CD's you should
be
looking at the software that converts the MP3 to audio or the hardware
involved.

Your post name, "VistaIsTickingMe Off", suggests that you would better
serve
yourself by reading a thick book on how Vista and its features work so
you
won't get confused by such simple tasks as creating an audio CD.
--
oscar

....Right click is your very good friend...

Why is it when someone has a problem and spends time spelling out
“exactly” what it is, there’s always some smart*ss know-it-all that says
it’s a “user error” and ridicules the poster??

Look, “Oscar”, I have the exact same problem as many others have stated
in here. I shouldn't "have" to get a thick Vista book and learn every
friggin thing about the OP. People shouldn't have to become experts with
every new OP that comes out in order to do simple tasks.

I created MP3 discs on my old XP desktop that used to play fine in my
car, but don’t play at all when created on my laptop with Vista.

I have done NOTHING differently. My disc creating procedures are
exactly the same.

I then tried a bunch of different ways to fix the problem -- coming at
it from different directions, methods, and burn programs -- but the
results never vary. The Vista discs always get rejected.

Mind you, once burned they play fine on the laptop they were created
from, so I know the discs are good. There must be something the way the
data is being copied during the burn process that’s different and my car
doesn’t recognize.

I can create WAV (audio) CDs from my Vista machine and they play fine
in the car, so I’m sure the next prescient wisdom I’ll get is to just
stick with audio discs and forget about MP3s. Well, I don’t WANT to burn
audio discs! It defeats the whole purpose? MP3 CDs are able to hold many
more songs so is why most music lovers prefer the format.

I’ve been searching forums like this for months looking for answers and
nothing I’ve tried works. I've also seen many have had the same problem
on different machines and burners, so it's not a manufacturer's problem.


Like many others, I’ve reached the conclusion it must be a Vista
problem. I don’t know if it’s a bug or something "purposely" put in the
software that made the process more complex and incompatible with car
stereos. I was even thinking about spending $$$ to upgrade to Windows 7
to see if that fixes things, but thought, why? Why should I have to
shell out another couple hundred bucks to fix this? Like Gates isn’t
rich enough??? Just very irritating.