Hi there, I have a notebook with vista home premium e a home network
with XP computers, all are connected through a wireless router. The
notebook conects through wireless, the desktops through wired.
The problem is that wen using the laptop through wireless I can see
other computer and even list their shared folders but when I try to
actually list files the connection timesout and gives an error os
dennied access to the shared folder. If I try to use VNC for instance,
the client connects, asks for pass and then after the remote screen
starts to appear.. it hangs... no response after that . The strange part
of the problem is that if I connect the laptop through a wired
connection everything works ok I access shared folders, I print remotely
, no problems. I tried a number of things , the most obvious, like
firewalls diferent settings on the network etc. What I can't figure out
is what can be so different in the PC for the wired to work but not the
wireless.
Thanks for any help you guys can provide.


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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:03:04 +0000, pctotil
wrote:


Hi there, I have a notebook with vista home premium e a home network
with XP computers, all are connected through a wireless router. The
notebook conects through wireless, the desktops through wired.
The problem is that wen using the laptop through wireless I can see
other computer and even list their shared folders but when I try to
actually list files the connection timesout and gives an error os
dennied access to the shared folder. If I try to use VNC for instance,
the client connects, asks for pass and then after the remote screen
starts to appear.. it hangs... no response after that . The strange part
of the problem is that if I connect the laptop through a wired
connection everything works ok I access shared folders, I print remotely
, no problems. I tried a number of things , the most obvious, like
firewalls diferent settings on the network etc. What I can't figure out
is what can be so different in the PC for the wired to work but not the
wireless.
Thanks for any help you guys can provide.

Do you know, for a certainty, that the laptop is connecting successfully,
wirelessly? What you're describing is symptomatic of a segmented domain, where
the laptop isn't getting SMBs wirelessly. The "... access denied ..." message
will be seen even when the laptop isn't connected, and in various other
scenarios.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ss-denied.html

I'd diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all",
from each computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
instructions precisely (download browstat!):
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...#AskingForHelp

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Cheers,
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http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Hi, thanks for the reply, apart from the problem accessing shares on the
XP machines, the network works ok, I can see other PCs on the network
map, I have internet access without problems, so I assume the wireless
connection is ok. The problem must be something else. The same laptop
but with XP installed works ok so it's not hardware related.


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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:33:46 +0000, pctotil
wrote:


Hi, thanks for the reply, apart from the problem accessing shares on the
XP machines, the network works ok, I can see other PCs on the network
map, I have internet access without problems, so I assume the wireless
connection is ok. The problem must be something else. The same laptop
but with XP installed works ok so it's not hardware related.

OK, show us the money (or the logs anyway).

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

"pctotil" wrote in message
news

The problem is that wen using the laptop through wireless I can see
other computer and even list their shared folders but when I try to
actually list files the connection timesout and gives an error os
dennied access to the shared folder.

Exactly the same problem here. I havnt been able to find any solution other
than plugging in a network cable ....

Hope someone comes up with something...

I have EXACTLY the same problems.
I have just spent a week trying to get shares to work across my network
comprising one XP Desktop and one Win98SE desktop to which I have added a
Vista Home Premium Wireless Acer 9520G laptop.
I assumed that because the laptop was connecting to the internet and
downloading files correctly that the wireless side of things was set up and
working OK.
However after finding this post I plugged in a network cable for the first
time at about 1 o'clock this morning - hey presto all is fine with the
network and shares all behave as they should with a wired connection!
During my attempts to network wirelessly I installed "Network Magic" on all
my machines. NM reported that all 3 machines were working and connected and
that system status was good. However in the shared folders view of NM it
listed the XP shares as "offline". NM did not help any further in this,
however I did put in a support request so I will report back here if it
produces any results.
I suspect that my assumption about the wireless connection may be wrong and
that in fact there is a set up problem. I have no previous experience of
wireless connections and am on a steep learning curve.
I will look into Chuck's suggestions.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE

Cheers, Barry

"Iain-M" wrote:


"pctotil" wrote in message
news

The problem is that wen using the laptop through wireless I can see
other computer and even list their shared folders but when I try to
actually list files the connection timesout and gives an error os
dennied access to the shared folder.

Exactly the same problem here. I havnt been able to find any solution other
than plugging in a network cable ....

Hope someone comes up with something...

Hi Chuck,
Having read your notes above and understood some ;-)
Here are the "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" results from both
machines (I have left out the 98SE for now to concentrate on just the XP and
Vista) with the Vista connected wirelessly.
Both windows firewalls are on but the problem exists with them both off. I
have double checked the settings to be sure they are configured to allow file
sharing.
Encryption is off on the wireless router.
Router interface type is 802.11b/g (I chose this 'cos it seems to be
supported by the laptop after looking at the adapter properties)
CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROBLEM:-
I can see the Vista from the XP and retrieve files but not save files back
to the Vista from the XP. The filename I attempt to save appears in the Vista
Public folder along with the file size, but the file is corrupt/not really
there?
I can see the XP machine from the Vista incuding shared folders and
filenames, but when I attempt to open a file Explorer times out or crashes
(not responding).

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Vista :- (Wireless)
Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7E524FA4-4619-469D-9842-2690097C8FF7}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JACKODESKTOP
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master JACKODESKTOP
\\JACKODESKTOP
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7E524FA4-4619-469D-9842-2690097C8FF7}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7E524FA4-4619-469D-9842-2690097C8FF7}


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mavis-PC
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : lan

Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1C-BF-1B-53-89
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::488d:e36c:a09f:ef0f%9(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.65(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 02 January 2008 12:54:42
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 03 January 2008 12:54:42
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 201333951
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 6:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.65%12(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 7:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . :
2001:0:4137:9e50:20ba:2e45:adba:fc6a(Preferred)
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . :
fe80::20ba:2e45:adba:fc6a%11(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6TO4 Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
XP (Wired)

Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{877165E5-1845-46E0-B6AB-BDE54741A84A}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: JACKODESKTOP
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master JACKODESKTOP
\\JACKODESKTOP
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{877165E5-1845-46E0-B6AB-BDE54741A84A}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{877165E5-1845-46E0-B6AB-BDE54741A84A}

Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : JACKODESKTOP

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : lan



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : lan

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet
Adapter

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0B-6A-46-A7-CE

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.64

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.254

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 02 January 2008 08:55:48

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 03 January 2008 08:55:48


I hope the above helps to shed some light for all our sakes!

Cheers,
Barry

/-----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Barry C J" wrote:

I have EXACTLY the same problems.
I have just spent a week trying to get shares to work across my network
comprising one XP Desktop and one Win98SE desktop to which I have added a
Vista Home Premium Wireless Acer 9520G laptop.
I assumed that because the laptop was connecting to the internet and
downloading files correctly that the wireless side of things was set up and
working OK.
However after finding this post I plugged in a network cable for the first
time at about 1 o'clock this morning - hey presto all is fine with the
network and shares all behave as they should with a wired connection!
During my attempts to network wirelessly I installed "Network Magic" on all
my machines. NM reported that all 3 machines were working and connected and
that system status was good. However in the shared folders view of NM it
listed the XP shares as "offline". NM did not help any further in this,
however I did put in a support request so I will report back here if it
produces any results.
I suspect that my assumption about the wireless connection may be wrong and
that in fact there is a set up problem. I have no previous experience of
wireless connections and am on a steep learning curve.
I will look into Chuck's suggestions.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE

Cheers, Barry

"Iain-M" wrote:


"pctotil" wrote in message
news

The problem is that wen using the laptop through wireless I can see
other computer and even list their shared folders but when I try to
actually list files the connection timesout and gives an error os
dennied access to the shared folder.

Exactly the same problem here. I havnt been able to find any solution other
than plugging in a network cable ....

Hope someone comes up with something...

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:24:01 -0800, Barry C J
wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Having read your notes above and understood some ;-)
Here are the "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" results from both
machines (I have left out the 98SE for now to concentrate on just the XP and
Vista) with the Vista connected wirelessly.
Both windows firewalls are on but the problem exists with them both off. I
have double checked the settings to be sure they are configured to allow file
sharing.
Encryption is off on the wireless router.
Router interface type is 802.11b/g (I chose this 'cos it seems to be
supported by the laptop after looking at the adapter properties)
CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROBLEM:-
I can see the Vista from the XP and retrieve files but not save files back
to the Vista from the XP. The filename I attempt to save appears in the Vista
Public folder along with the file size, but the file is corrupt/not really
there?
I can see the XP machine from the Vista incuding shared folders and
filenames, but when I attempt to open a file Explorer times out or crashes
(not responding).

Barry,

The problem with Network Magic is that it is "magic". It sets up its own
protocols. It can't magically repair physical problems, nor can it bypass
authentication issues (we should hope).

No problems are apparent in either browstat or ipconfig logs, excepting the
presence of IPV6 on Mavis-PC.

If you observed the problem before installing NM, and NM did not fix the
problem, then I would suspect that the problem is outside the scope of NM.

If your problem is identical to the OPs, I would bet you have a problem with
either the Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection on Mavis-PC, or the
binding of the drivers. This would point towards LSP / Winsock.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-layer-in.html

The OP hasn't provided us with any diagnostics, as the problem is "... not
hardware related". Have you, like the OP, tried running this hardware with XP
installed? Have you obtained the latest drivers for the 3945ABG from Intel, and
ensured that they are certified for Windows Vista?
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/06/driver-problems-causing-intermittent.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...ermittent.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Hi Chuck,
Many thanks for your rapid response.

IPv6 now disabled - no difference (as expected as I already tried that
before).

Problem has always existed as Vista machine is new. Network Magic was simply
an attempt at a cure. Obviously the problem also prevents NM's protocols from
communicating as well. NM does perform OK when the machine is wired.

LSP-Fix reports all OK on both machines.

I can see no mention of a version of Winsock-fix for Vista so have not run
one yet - any advice?

I don't want to even think of installing XP on the new Vista machine,
although knowing what I know now I would have bought a new XP laptop!
As far as I know there is no unformatted space on the drive for another
partition.

The Intel 3945ABG driver installed was the same version as the one on the
Acer support download site (v11.1.0.86), however I found a later one at the
Intel site (v11.5.0.32) dated 26/9/07 and I have installed that.

Still no improvement sadly - but no unexpected failures either!
An attempt to open a text file located on the XP machine from ythe Vista
wireless came up with "The directory name is invalid"

I am confused still about 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11b/g etc. The options in
the router do not seem to tie up exactly with the options in the laptop,
Which to choose? Could this be set up wrongly despite pings etc working OK?

If anyone else cures this scenario then please join in and help!!

Cheers,
Barry






"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:24:01 -0800, Barry C J
wrote:

Hi Chuck,
Having read your notes above and understood some ;-)
Here are the "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" results from both
machines (I have left out the 98SE for now to concentrate on just the XP and
Vista) with the Vista connected wirelessly.
Both windows firewalls are on but the problem exists with them both off. I
have double checked the settings to be sure they are configured to allow file
sharing.
Encryption is off on the wireless router.
Router interface type is 802.11b/g (I chose this 'cos it seems to be
supported by the laptop after looking at the adapter properties)
CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROBLEM:-
I can see the Vista from the XP and retrieve files but not save files back
to the Vista from the XP. The filename I attempt to save appears in the Vista
Public folder along with the file size, but the file is corrupt/not really
there?
I can see the XP machine from the Vista incuding shared folders and
filenames, but when I attempt to open a file Explorer times out or crashes
(not responding).

Barry,

The problem with Network Magic is that it is "magic". It sets up its own
protocols. It can't magically repair physical problems, nor can it bypass
authentication issues (we should hope).

No problems are apparent in either browstat or ipconfig logs, excepting the
presence of IPV6 on Mavis-PC.

If you observed the problem before installing NM, and NM did not fix the
problem, then I would suspect that the problem is outside the scope of NM.

If your problem is identical to the OPs, I would bet you have a problem with
either the Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection on Mavis-PC, or the
binding of the drivers. This would point towards LSP / Winsock.
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/problems-with-lsp-winsock-layer-in.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-layer-in.html

The OP hasn't provided us with any diagnostics, as the problem is "... not
hardware related". Have you, like the OP, tried running this hardware with XP
installed? Have you obtained the latest drivers for the 3945ABG from Intel, and
ensured that they are certified for Windows Vista?
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/06/driver-problems-causing-intermittent.html
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...ermittent.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Hi there, I have some new data,

I have my laptop with XP in dual boot and with XP I access everything
without problems, so it's not hardware related.

Up until now, my laptop was the only vista pc on the network but
yesterday I instaled vista on another PC (desktop) and voila with vista
there are no problems, the only problem is vistaXP, vista-vista is ok.

This has got to be one of the strangest problems I have ever seen
because one thing is when you can't access a given PC or a given folder
but this is stranger because if you run vnc for instance, you connect,
the server (on XP) asks you for the pass and opens the windows and just
when you should start to see the remote screen it freezes. but the vnc
client remains open as if the connection is established, and when the
screen first opens you can see the mouse pointer move (on he host) for
half a second and then stops... very strange, as if the connections are
established but then blocked by something, but it is not firewalls.

even more strange, I have set up a virtual machine with vmware inside
the XP host. This VM runs Vista and imagine what... I can access shares
inside the VM.
I'm no genius but I have configured a lot of networks and never
encountered a similar problem...
I don't know if it matters but my wireless card is a 3495ABG also... I
wonder if its some kind of bug with this card...


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