After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail would
stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in RC1--no dice.
The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that I never saw in XP
rears its head in what was supposed to be the great white hope for Vista
having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in this
thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at Redmond have
any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup NNTP reader toolbar
screwup?

CH

My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail would stop putting
ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in RC1--no dice. The same crapy instability for
buttons "sticking" that I never saw in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great
white hope for Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in this thing and have more
communication with the Win Mail teams at Redmond have any explanation for this continued Win
Mail newsgroup NNTP reader toolbar screwup?

CH

Hi,
Two installs/reformat/install and the Mail buttons do the same here;as
Chad was saying.
What's weird is; it stops after awhile. It's only reverting the 1st couple
of times;then it's ok.
Jeff
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail would
stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in RC1--no
dice. The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that I never saw
in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great white hope for
Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in this
thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at Redmond have
any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup NNTP reader toolbar
screwup?

CH

While not the end of the world, Michael, it's the poster child for annoying,
and what I don't understand is how all these people on the Win Mail team and
thousands on the Vista teams who use it for groups see it and just shrug and
don't do anything about it.

How did the memory leak show up--as a crash? Win Mail closed down?

CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail would
stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in RC1--no
dice. The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that I never saw
in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great white hope for
Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in this
thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at Redmond have
any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup NNTP reader toolbar
screwup?

CH

Actually, the only times WinMail (5384) locked up on me
were when I would mark all messages as read.

But, WinMail was consuming over 100,000K, easily. Even
after being opened only for an hour. Right now- 18,000K and
I've had it opened since 7am.

I think it is working much better.

-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While not the end of the world, Michael, it's the poster child for annoying, and what I don't
understand is how all these people on the Win Mail team and thousands on the Vista teams who
use it for groups see it and just shrug and don't do anything about it.

How did the memory leak show up--as a crash? Win Mail closed down?

CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail would stop putting
ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in RC1--no dice. The same crapy instability
for buttons "sticking" that I never saw in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the
great white hope for Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in this thing and have
more communication with the Win Mail teams at Redmond have any explanation for this
continued Win Mail newsgroup NNTP reader toolbar screwup?

CH

I saw the same issues at first, but then its settled down.

Performance is still an issue, but it is improved.

The most significant change has been in the message store and underlying
database. There are really great improvements over the dbx file structure
in OE.

steve

"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
Actually, the only times WinMail (5384) locked up on me
were when I would mark all messages as read.

But, WinMail was consuming over 100,000K, easily. Even
after being opened only for an hour. Right now- 18,000K and
I've had it opened since 7am.

I think it is working much better.

-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While not the end of the world, Michael, it's the poster child for
annoying, and what I don't understand is how all these people on the Win
Mail team and thousands on the Vista teams who use it for groups see it
and just shrug and don't do anything about it.

How did the memory leak show up--as a crash? Win Mail closed down?

CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail
would stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in
RC1--no dice. The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that I
never saw in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great
white hope for Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka
RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in
this thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at
Redmond have any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup NNTP
reader toolbar screwup?

CH

Hearing you say that Steve is very very good news. Can you flesh that out in
more detail so we can appreciate that?

CH


"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
I saw the same issues at first, but then its settled down.

Performance is still an issue, but it is improved.

The most significant change has been in the message store and underlying
database. There are really great improvements over the dbx file structure
in OE.

steve

"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
Actually, the only times WinMail (5384) locked up on me
were when I would mark all messages as read.

But, WinMail was consuming over 100,000K, easily. Even
after being opened only for an hour. Right now- 18,000K and
I've had it opened since 7am.

I think it is working much better.

-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While not the end of the world, Michael, it's the poster child for
annoying, and what I don't understand is how all these people on the Win
Mail team and thousands on the Vista teams who use it for groups see it
and just shrug and don't do anything about it.

How did the memory leak show up--as a crash? Win Mail closed down?

CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail
would stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in
RC1--no dice. The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that I
never saw in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great
white hope for Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka
RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in
this thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at
Redmond have any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup
NNTP reader toolbar screwup?

CH

The Windows Mail database is now using the Extensible Storage Engine that
is used by Active Directory and MS Exchange. The messages are no longer
within the database files but are stored individually as eml files that the
database references and maintains.

Now, if there is a database crash, the messages are not lost as they have
been and are still in OE.

steve

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Hearing you say that Steve is very very good news. Can you flesh that out
in more detail so we can appreciate that?

CH


"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
...
I saw the same issues at first, but then its settled down.

Performance is still an issue, but it is improved.

The most significant change has been in the message store and underlying
database. There are really great improvements over the dbx file
structure in OE.

steve

"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
Actually, the only times WinMail (5384) locked up on me
were when I would mark all messages as read.

But, WinMail was consuming over 100,000K, easily. Even
after being opened only for an hour. Right now- 18,000K and
I've had it opened since 7am.

I think it is working much better.

-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
While not the end of the world, Michael, it's the poster child for
annoying, and what I don't understand is how all these people on the
Win Mail team and thousands on the Vista teams who use it for groups
see it and just shrug and don't do anything about it.

How did the memory leak show up--as a crash? Win Mail closed down?

CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
...
My buttons in Windows Mail stay where I put them.

They did not in 5384, but, in 5536 and 5552, Win Mail works
quite well. Also, the massive memory leak in Win Mail has been
fixed.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
After promises that the Main Toolbar for the newsgroups in Win Mail
would stop putting ridiculous buttons back on you didn't choose in
RC1--no dice. The same crapy instability for buttons "sticking" that
I never saw in XP rears its head in what was supposed to be the great
white hope for Vista having any degree of RTM competancy in 5600 aka
RC1.

I wonder if any of the excellent OE MVPs who lobbied for changes in
this thing and have more communication with the Win Mail teams at
Redmond have any explanation for this continued Win Mail newsgroup
NNTP reader toolbar screwup?

CH