Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day. But I
made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for use on
Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now, you can't
install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to using your
methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista that
you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I understand you
correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of 5536 pre-RC1 (I thought
it would not install) but there is a faster way of using it you have
described here and in other posts. If you can post the faster way again,
it'd be convenient for me. I want to put it in a folder on this Vista
install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in Seattle
but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to me a little
more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation with the Vista "shove
anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as evidenced by their retreat
with Adobe although they will offer most of the capabilities they were as
separate free downloads--is my understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message ...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with NTFS
fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to dual boot W98
& XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I went over to using
the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM) for setting up hard
drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions. Since the startup
floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a conflict with X64 or Vista.
PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but it works faster when not working
from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with operating
system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably. Norton just had
an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting that they had the
cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick which doesn't help my
therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because I
haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64 at
this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting up
partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier than third
party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging partitions
I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record paralleling
every single OS change in Windows including the ridiculous dissembling
way they handled the SP2 release on about August 9, 2004 to Beta testers
and shortly afterward to the public (my dates may be a few days off)
including service packs. They made a big deal of the fact they were
updating Norton AV products, and then simply released an update to the
Mickey Mouse Center that lets people know the AV is on in XP. Few people
on the planet ever needed to consult that thing to figure out if they
could right click the icon in the notification area and "turn their
frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update available on
a server on their site, but instead you had to own Norton to use Live
Update and it didn't work for a sizable percentage of people. As a
response, people immediately posted the update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with Vista
yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you trying PM
from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or have you tried
Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you want an alternative to
Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put Vista
on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any data
loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP x64 or
Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or floppies which
works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since there have been no
updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my FX51 tower, dropping raid
and installing a 320GB hard drive, I didn't have a copy of XP X86 to
install without violating licensing. I installed XP x64 instead on a
30GB partition setup during installation. That left 268GB unallocated.
Using "Disk Management" in x64 I created two 49GB primary partitions, F
data and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with name and letter.
Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was flawless. Under hard
drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in either
operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the same partitions plus
170GB unallocated. This proves that with a little planning from the
beginning a third party partitioning tool isn't needed. I will still
boot PM from floppies if I need to resize the partitions because it
works, but for partition creation and formatting "Disk Management" is
faster and easier.

Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test system,
AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on both operating
systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in un-partitioned space had an
error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64 when opening the program a
conflict message appeared, running anyway the program wouldn't start with
the message that the program was designed for a NT4 operating system. The
PM8 rescue disks (created in XP x86) start DR-DOS and function normally. The
test partition is recognized as NTFS and healthy in the drive manager from
both operating systems. Running PM8 from the rescue disks is faster because
no operating system is loaded or running. After creating the partition a
disk scan is performed on the new volume when x64 is started, in Vista x64
the new partition is installed like and recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't keeping up
with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and WLMD. Also with the
new security features in Vista they can't control the operating system the
way that they like to. My last purchase from them was Ghost 10 which was a
waste except that Ghost 2003 was included at no extra cost. They will get no
more of my money until they upgrade their products to function properly with
whatever operating system or programs that I'm using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day. But
I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for use on
Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now, you can't
install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to using your
methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I understand
you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of 5536 pre-RC1 (I
thought it would not install) but there is a faster way of using it you
have described here and in other posts. If you can post the faster way
again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to put it in a folder on this
Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in Seattle
but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to me a little
more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation with the Vista
"shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as evidenced by their
retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of the capabilities they
were as separate free downloads--is my understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with NTFS
fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to dual boot
W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I went over to
using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM) for setting up
hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions. Since the startup
floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a conflict with X64 or
Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but it works faster when not
working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with operating
system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably. Norton just had
an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting that they had the
cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick which doesn't help my
therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because I
haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64 at
this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting up
partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier than
third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging partitions
I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record paralleling
every single OS change in Windows including the ridiculous dissembling
way they handled the SP2 release on about August 9, 2004 to Beta
testers and shortly afterward to the public (my dates may be a few days
off) including service packs. They made a big deal of the fact they
were updating Norton AV products, and then simply released an update to
the Mickey Mouse Center that lets people know the AV is on in XP. Few
people on the planet ever needed to consult that thing to figure out if
they could right click the icon in the notification area and "turn their
frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update available
on a server on their site, but instead you had to own Norton to use Live
Update and it didn't work for a sizable percentage of people. As a
response, people immediately posted the update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with Vista
yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you trying PM
from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or have you tried
Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you want an alternative to
Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put Vista
on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any data
loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP x64 or
Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or floppies which
works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since there have been no
updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my FX51 tower, dropping
raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I didn't have a copy of XP X86
to install without violating licensing. I installed XP x64 instead on a
30GB partition setup during installation. That left 268GB unallocated.
Using "Disk Management" in x64 I created two 49GB primary partitions, F
data and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with name and letter.
Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was flawless. Under hard
drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in either
operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the same partitions
plus 170GB unallocated. This proves that with a little planning from
the beginning a third party partitioning tool isn't needed. I will
still boot PM from floppies if I need to resize the partitions because
it works, but for partition creation and formatting "Disk Management"
is faster and easier.

Ditto. My only concern would be whether there would be the same problems
using the partition that Acronis has shown with Vista.

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message ...
Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test
system, AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on both
operating systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in un-partitioned
space had an error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64 when opening the
program a conflict message appeared, running anyway the program wouldn't
start with the message that the program was designed for a NT4 operating
system. The PM8 rescue disks (created in XP x86) start DR-DOS and function
normally. The test partition is recognized as NTFS and healthy in the
drive manager from both operating systems. Running PM8 from the rescue
disks is faster because no operating system is loaded or running. After
creating the partition a disk scan is performed on the new volume when x64
is started, in Vista x64 the new partition is installed like and
recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't keeping
up with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and WLMD. Also
with the new security features in Vista they can't control the operating
system the way that they like to. My last purchase from them was Ghost 10
which was a waste except that Ghost 2003 was included at no extra cost.
They will get no more of my money until they upgrade their products to
function properly with whatever operating system or programs that I'm
using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day. But
I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for use on
Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now, you can't
install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to using your
methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I
understand you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of 5536
pre-RC1 (I thought it would not install) but there is a faster way of
using it you have described here and in other posts. If you can post the
faster way again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to put it in a
folder on this Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in
Seattle but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to me
a little more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation with the
Vista "shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as evidenced by
their retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of the
capabilities they were as separate free downloads--is my understanding
from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with
NTFS fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to dual
boot W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I went over
to using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM) for setting up
hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions. Since the startup
floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a conflict with X64 or
Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but it works faster when not
working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with operating
system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably. Norton just had
an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting that they had the
cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick which doesn't help my
therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because I
haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64 at
this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting up
partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier than
third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging
partitions I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record
paralleling every single OS change in Windows including the ridiculous
dissembling way they handled the SP2 release on about August 9, 2004
to Beta testers and shortly afterward to the public (my dates may be a
few days off) including service packs. They made a big deal of the
fact they were updating Norton AV products, and then simply released an
update to the Mickey Mouse Center that lets people know the AV is on in
XP. Few people on the planet ever needed to consult that thing to
figure out if they could right click the icon in the notification area
and "turn their frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update available
on a server on their site, but instead you had to own Norton to use
Live Update and it didn't work for a sizable percentage of people. As
a response, people immediately posted the update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with Vista
yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you trying PM
from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or have you tried
Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you want an alternative
to Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put Vista
on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any data
loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP x64
or Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or floppies
which works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since there have
been no updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my FX51 tower,
dropping raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I didn't have a copy
of XP X86 to install without violating licensing. I installed XP x64
instead on a 30GB partition setup during installation. That left 268GB
unallocated. Using "Disk Management" in x64 I created two 49GB primary
partitions, F data and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with name and
letter. Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was flawless.
Under hard drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in
either operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the same
partitions plus 170GB unallocated. This proves that with a little
planning from the beginning a third party partitioning tool isn't
needed. I will still boot PM from floppies if I need to resize the
partitions because it works, but for partition creation and formatting
"Disk Management" is faster and easier.

John:
Again on the AMD FX51 test computer. I created a 20GB partition and
formatted it NTFS using the PM8 floppies. Booting off the Vista x86 DVD, the
new partition is recognized and in the process of installing at this time.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Ditto. My only concern would be whether there would be the same problems
using the partition that Acronis has shown with Vista.

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test
system, AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on both
operating systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in un-partitioned
space had an error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64 when opening the
program a conflict message appeared, running anyway the program wouldn't
start with the message that the program was designed for a NT4 operating
system. The PM8 rescue disks (created in XP x86) start DR-DOS and
function normally. The test partition is recognized as NTFS and healthy
in the drive manager from both operating systems. Running PM8 from the
rescue disks is faster because no operating system is loaded or running.
After creating the partition a disk scan is performed on the new volume
when x64 is started, in Vista x64 the new partition is installed like and
recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't keeping
up with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and WLMD. Also
with the new security features in Vista they can't control the operating
system the way that they like to. My last purchase from them was Ghost 10
which was a waste except that Ghost 2003 was included at no extra cost.
They will get no more of my money until they upgrade their products to
function properly with whatever operating system or programs that I'm
using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day.
But I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for
use on Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now, you
can't install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to using
your methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I
understand you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of 5536
pre-RC1 (I thought it would not install) but there is a faster way of
using it you have described here and in other posts. If you can post
the faster way again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to put it in a
folder on this Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in
Seattle but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to
me a little more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation with
the Vista "shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as
evidenced by their retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of
the capabilities they were as separate free downloads--is my
understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with
NTFS fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to dual
boot W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I went over
to using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM) for setting
up hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions. Since the
startup floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a conflict with
X64 or Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but it works faster
when not working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with operating
system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably. Norton just
had an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting that they had
the cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick which doesn't help
my therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because I
haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64 at
this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting up
partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier than
third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging
partitions I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record
paralleling every single OS change in Windows including the
ridiculous dissembling way they handled the SP2 release on about
August 9, 2004 to Beta testers and shortly afterward to the public (my
dates may be a few days off) including service packs. They made a big
deal of the fact they were updating Norton AV products, and then
simply released an update to the Mickey Mouse Center that lets people
know the AV is on in XP. Few people on the planet ever needed to
consult that thing to figure out if they could right click the icon in
the notification area and "turn their frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update available
on a server on their site, but instead you had to own Norton to use
Live Update and it didn't work for a sizable percentage of people. As
a response, people immediately posted the update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with Vista
yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you trying PM
from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or have you
tried Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you want an
alternative to Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put
Vista on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any data
loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP x64
or Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or floppies
which works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since there have
been no updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my FX51 tower,
dropping raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I didn't have a copy
of XP X86 to install without violating licensing. I installed XP x64
instead on a 30GB partition setup during installation. That left
268GB unallocated. Using "Disk Management" in x64 I created two 49GB
primary partitions, F data and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with
name and letter. Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was
flawless. Under hard drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista
49GB in either operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the
same partitions plus 170GB unallocated. This proves that with a
little planning from the beginning a third party partitioning tool
isn't needed. I will still boot PM from floppies if I need to resize
the partitions because it works, but for partition creation and
formatting "Disk Management" is faster and easier.

Off hand, I don't remember what problems those who had used the Acronis
partition had, or when they had them, just that more than one reported
problems and recommended against using anything but the native Vista
partitioning.


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message ...
John:
Again on the AMD FX51 test computer. I created a 20GB partition and
formatted it NTFS using the PM8 floppies. Booting off the Vista x86 DVD,
the new partition is recognized and in the process of installing at this
time.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Ditto. My only concern would be whether there would be the same problems
using the partition that Acronis has shown with Vista.

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test
system, AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on both
operating systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in un-partitioned
space had an error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64 when opening the
program a conflict message appeared, running anyway the program wouldn't
start with the message that the program was designed for a NT4 operating
system. The PM8 rescue disks (created in XP x86) start DR-DOS and
function normally. The test partition is recognized as NTFS and healthy
in the drive manager from both operating systems. Running PM8 from the
rescue disks is faster because no operating system is loaded or running.
After creating the partition a disk scan is performed on the new volume
when x64 is started, in Vista x64 the new partition is installed like
and recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't keeping
up with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and WLMD. Also
with the new security features in Vista they can't control the operating
system the way that they like to. My last purchase from them was Ghost
10 which was a waste except that Ghost 2003 was included at no extra
cost. They will get no more of my money until they upgrade their
products to function properly with whatever operating system or programs
that I'm using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day.
But I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for
use on Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now, you
can't install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to using
your methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I
understand you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of
5536 pre-RC1 (I thought it would not install) but there is a faster way
of using it you have described here and in other posts. If you can
post the faster way again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to put it
in a folder on this Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in
Seattle but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to
me a little more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation with
the Vista "shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as
evidenced by their retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of
the capabilities they were as separate free downloads--is my
understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with
NTFS fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to dual
boot W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I went
over to using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM) for
setting up hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions.
Since the startup floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a
conflict with X64 or Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but
it works faster when not working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with
operating system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably.
Norton just had an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting
that they had the cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick which
doesn't help my therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because I
haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64
at this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting up
partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier than
third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging
partitions I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great
Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record
paralleling every single OS change in Windows including the
ridiculous dissembling way they handled the SP2 release on about
August 9, 2004 to Beta testers and shortly afterward to the public
(my dates may be a few days off) including service packs. They made
a big deal of the fact they were updating Norton AV products, and
then simply released an update to the Mickey Mouse Center that lets
people know the AV is on in XP. Few people on the planet ever needed
to consult that thing to figure out if they could right click the
icon in the notification area and "turn their frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update
available on a server on their site, but instead you had to own
Norton to use Live Update and it didn't work for a sizable percentage
of people. As a response, people immediately posted the update on
the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with
Vista yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you
trying PM from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or
have you tried Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you want
an alternative to Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put
Vista on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand
or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any data
loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP x64
or Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or floppies
which works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since there
have been no updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my FX51
tower, dropping raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I didn't
have a copy of XP X86 to install without violating licensing. I
installed XP x64 instead on a 30GB partition setup during
installation. That left 268GB unallocated. Using "Disk Management"
in x64 I created two 49GB primary partitions, F data and G Vista and
formatted them NTFS with name and letter. Installation of Vista x64
on the G partition was flawless. Under hard drives I see C x64 30GB,
F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in either operating system. Under "Disk
Management" I see the same partitions plus 170GB unallocated. This
proves that with a little planning from the beginning a third party
partitioning tool isn't needed. I will still boot PM from floppies
if I need to resize the partitions because it works, but for
partition creation and formatting "Disk Management" is faster and
easier.

John:
I don't remember the Acronis issue either. The installation of Vista x86
was successful in the partition created with the PM8 floppies. The error
that I made was booting from the DVD, now my drive letters are different
which is no big deal because all partitions are labeled. If I get ambitious
I'll delete the partition and see if I can install Vista x86 with x64
running since this computer doesn't have XP x86 installed.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Off hand, I don't remember what problems those who had used the Acronis
partition had, or when they had them, just that more than one reported
problems and recommended against using anything but the native Vista
partitioning.


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
John:
Again on the AMD FX51 test computer. I created a 20GB partition
and formatted it NTFS using the PM8 floppies. Booting off the Vista x86
DVD, the new partition is recognized and in the process of installing at
this time.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Ditto. My only concern would be whether there would be the same
problems using the partition that Acronis has shown with Vista.

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test
system, AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on
both operating systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in
un-partitioned space had an error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64
when opening the program a conflict message appeared, running anyway
the program wouldn't start with the message that the program was
designed for a NT4 operating system. The PM8 rescue disks (created in
XP x86) start DR-DOS and function normally. The test partition is
recognized as NTFS and healthy in the drive manager from both operating
systems. Running PM8 from the rescue disks is faster because no
operating system is loaded or running. After creating the partition a
disk scan is performed on the new volume when x64 is started, in Vista
x64 the new partition is installed like and recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't
keeping up with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and
WLMD. Also with the new security features in Vista they can't control
the operating system the way that they like to. My last purchase from
them was Ghost 10 which was a waste except that Ghost 2003 was included
at no extra cost. They will get no more of my money until they upgrade
their products to function properly with whatever operating system or
programs that I'm using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day.
But I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for
use on Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now,
you can't install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to
using your methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I
understand you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of
5536 pre-RC1 (I thought it would not install) but there is a faster
way of using it you have described here and in other posts. If you
can post the faster way again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to
put it in a folder on this Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in
Seattle but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to
me a little more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation
with the Vista "shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as
evidenced by their retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of
the capabilities they were as separate free downloads--is my
understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with
NTFS fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to
dual boot W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I
went over to using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM)
for setting up hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions.
Since the startup floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a
conflict with X64 or Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but
it works faster when not working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with
operating system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably.
Norton just had an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting
that they had the cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick
which doesn't help my therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because
I haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64
at this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting
up partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier
than third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging
partitions I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great
Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record
paralleling every single OS change in Windows including the
ridiculous dissembling way they handled the SP2 release on about
August 9, 2004 to Beta testers and shortly afterward to the public
(my dates may be a few days off) including service packs. They made
a big deal of the fact they were updating Norton AV products, and
then simply released an update to the Mickey Mouse Center that lets
people know the AV is on in XP. Few people on the planet ever
needed to consult that thing to figure out if they could right click
the icon in the notification area and "turn their frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update
available on a server on their site, but instead you had to own
Norton to use Live Update and it didn't work for a sizable
percentage of people. As a response, people immediately posted the
update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with
Vista yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you
trying PM from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or
have you tried Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you
want an alternative to Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put
Vista on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand
or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any
data loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP
x64 or Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or
floppies which works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since
there have been no updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my
FX51 tower, dropping raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I
didn't have a copy of XP X86 to install without violating
licensing. I installed XP x64 instead on a 30GB partition setup
during installation. That left 268GB unallocated. Using "Disk
Management" in x64 I created two 49GB primary partitions, F data
and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with name and letter.
Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was flawless. Under
hard drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in
either operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the same
partitions plus 170GB unallocated. This proves that with a little
planning from the beginning a third party partitioning tool isn't
needed. I will still boot PM from floppies if I need to resize the
partitions because it works, but for partition creation and
formatting "Disk Management" is faster and easier.

This is something good to know. I've been playing around with Chad's
suggestion Ranish (or rather BootIt NG) at the moment. I've been going back
and forth with it and PM 8 to see if they mess each other up. Seems like
when going from one to the other, that you get some cross link issues. I'm
playing with a small HD that has no data on it. Just trying get familiar
with it.

I don't have trust in BootIt NG yet.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Off hand, I don't remember what problems those who had used the Acronis
partition had, or when they had them, just that more than one reported
problems and recommended against using anything but the native Vista
partitioning.


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
John:
Again on the AMD FX51 test computer. I created a 20GB partition
and formatted it NTFS using the PM8 floppies. Booting off the Vista x86
DVD, the new partition is recognized and in the process of installing at
this time.


"John Barnes" wrote in message
...
Ditto. My only concern would be whether there would be the same
problems using the partition that Acronis has shown with Vista.

"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I had to do some testing to be able to give you a good answer. Test
system, AMD FX51 with x64 and Vista x64 b2 (5384). PM8 installed on
both operating systems. In x64 trying to create a partition in
un-partitioned space had an error and wouldn't complete. In Vista x64
when opening the program a conflict message appeared, running anyway
the program wouldn't start with the message that the program was
designed for a NT4 operating system. The PM8 rescue disks (created in
XP x86) start DR-DOS and function normally. The test partition is
recognized as NTFS and healthy in the drive manager from both operating
systems. Running PM8 from the rescue disks is faster because no
operating system is loaded or running. After creating the partition a
disk scan is performed on the new volume when x64 is started, in Vista
x64 the new partition is installed like and recognized as new hardware.
The Symantec episode in my opinion is a joke because they aren't
keeping up with the new technologies, including x64, Vista, IE7 and
WLMD. Also with the new security features in Vista they can't control
the operating system the way that they like to. My last purchase from
them was Ghost 10 which was a waste except that Ghost 2003 was included
at no extra cost. They will get no more of my money until they upgrade
their products to function properly with whatever operating system or
programs that I'm using without modifications.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--


I came accross some rescue discs I had made with PM 8 the other day.
But I made them on XP. I guess I would have to make them on Vista for
use on Vista--is that correct? My understanding is that as of now,
you can't install PM8 itself onto Vista but maybe you don't need to
using your methods.

I remembered the information and the tricks for faster PM use in Vista
that you and I think Mark Vandenberg have been posting. If I
understand you correctly PM8 is still not compatible in Vista as of
5536 pre-RC1 (I thought it would not install) but there is a faster
way of using it you have described here and in other posts. If you
can post the faster way again, it'd be convenient for me. I want to
put it in a folder on this Vista install for easy retrieval.

AYK Symantec and MSFT are going at it in Federal District Court in
Seattle but still in the early stages of ths suit. MSFT has seemed to
me a little more vulnerable in litigation or threatened litigation
with the Vista "shove anything we got" outta door by an Oct 25 RTM as
evidenced by their retreat with Adobe although they will offer most of
the capabilities they were as separate free downloads--is my
understanding from talking to them.

CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Chad:
I started out with PM7 when XP came out which wasn't compatible with
NTFS fully at the time. Then I went to PM8 to setup partitions to
dual boot W98 & XP. Since PM8 isn't compatible with X64 or Vista I
went over to using the startup floppies (called rescue disks by PM)
for setting up hard drives, moving partitions or resizing partitions.
Since the startup floppies setup a DOS environment there isn't a
conflict with X64 or Vista. PM8 doesn't install on x64 or Vista, but
it works faster when not working from within an operating system.
I agree with you fully about Norton's lack of keeping up with
operating system changes until it finally hurts sales appreciably.
Norton just had an article listing Vista as very insecure and noting
that they had the cure, I laughed so hard that I almost got sick
which doesn't help my therapy.
As John Barnes noted in the x64 newsgroup, I omitted the shrinking
ability in Vista. The omission on my part was an error, just because
I haven't tried it yet.
When I rebuilt my FX51 tower with it being totally x64 and Vista x64
at this time, I decided to try the onboard tools in x64 for setting
up partitions. I found that they work and can be faster and easier
than third party programs.
After reading many posts about problems corrupting or damaging
partitions I decided to post an easy way that works. Have a Great
Day.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message
...
Dennis--

1) I would be skeptical of Symantec given their track record
paralleling every single OS change in Windows including the
ridiculous dissembling way they handled the SP2 release on about
August 9, 2004 to Beta testers and shortly afterward to the public
(my dates may be a few days off) including service packs. They made
a big deal of the fact they were updating Norton AV products, and
then simply released an update to the Mickey Mouse Center that lets
people know the AV is on in XP. Few people on the planet ever
needed to consult that thing to figure out if they could right click
the icon in the notification area and "turn their frigging AV on."

If that weren't enough, they didn't make their little update
available on a server on their site, but instead you had to own
Norton to use Live Update and it didn't work for a sizable
percentage of people. As a response, people immediately posted the
update on the web.


From everything I've been able to read, PM isn't compatible with
Vista yet. You can ayk use Disk Management in Vista. But are you
trying PM from XP to resize drives the way you want for Vista? Or
have you tried Ranish which is Vista compatible right now if you
want an alternative to Disk Management on Vista.

I read this that you are trying to get some machines ready to put
Vista on them.

http://www.ranish.com/part/

Ranish Partition Manager on Vista:
http://www.tutorialsall.com/VISTA/BootIt-andor/
Resizing Partitions with Windows Vista:

1.. Click on the Start Button and right click on Computer and select
Manage.
2.. Expand the Storage section and select Disk Management.
3.. Then just right click on any partition and select either Expand
or
Shrink to change the size of the partition.
This will allow you to safely resize your partitions without any
data loss.


CH


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2"
wrote in message
...
Partitioning hard drives can be a nightmare. I've been using PQ
Partition magic for years, I've seen no updates to it since Norton
purchased it other than name change. PM isn't compatible with XP
x64 or Vista at this time other than booting it from the CD or
floppies which works. I'm not holding my breath for an update since
there have been no updates in over three years. When I rebuilt my
FX51 tower, dropping raid and installing a 320GB hard drive, I
didn't have a copy of XP X86 to install without violating
licensing. I installed XP x64 instead on a 30GB partition setup
during installation. That left 268GB unallocated. Using "Disk
Management" in x64 I created two 49GB primary partitions, F data
and G Vista and formatted them NTFS with name and letter.
Installation of Vista x64 on the G partition was flawless. Under
hard drives I see C x64 30GB, F Data 49GB and G Vista 49GB in
either operating system. Under "Disk Management" I see the same
partitions plus 170GB unallocated. This proves that with a little
planning from the beginning a third party partitioning tool isn't
needed. I will still boot PM from floppies if I need to resize the
partitions because it works, but for partition creation and
formatting "Disk Management" is faster and easier.