Hi, David.

I'm endeavouring to back up all my data, but I've had issues with the
backup

There are at least two reasons for using multiple partitions, and this is
the second. The first, of course, is to allow dual-booting by putting each
OS on a separate partition. The second is so that we can put our data files
in a "neutral" partition with NO OS at all. Then, when we want or need to
delete or update an OS, we can completely reformat Drive "Vista (V" (for
example) while our data remains safe and secure on Drive "Data (D". Then,
when we've reinstalled Vista or Win7 on V:, and reinstalled our applications
that use the data, we can immediately access the data without going through
the Restore process. After all, Word documents, for example, don't care
whether we are running WinXP or Vista or Win7, so long as Word is installed
in whichever OS we are using. We can easily start a letter while running
WinXP in the morning, then finish the same letter in Vista in the afternoon.
Just tell Word in each OS to use the same drive\folder for its data file.

When you install your new 750 GB HD for WinXP, make the WinXP partition just
50 GB. IF you've already created a single 750 GB partition, then either
Shrink it by 700 GB or delete it and start over. Then create a 700 GB
partition to use for your data. Move all your Word and Excel documents, all
your family photos, all your music and video files...all your data... to
this Data volume. Adjust these sizes and numbers to fit your own needs, of
course. It's the idea that is important, not the specific numbers.

Good luck. And let us know about your progress.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 RC 7100


"DavidG" wrote in message
...
G'day R.C.

Thanks for your advice. Sorry about the email.

You haven't studied Disk Management nearly enough! :^{

You are right, but I will have by the time I finish this exercise.

I could sit here and write a whole lot of "valid" reasons why I haven't
completed this job yet, but I guess we all have busy lives. So I won't.

I wish to thank you for being so patient and knowledgable, also the other
contributers to this post. The last post on this thread will be me saying
"I've completed the Job". And maybe I'll have more to comment on then.

I'm endeavouring to back up all my data, but I've had issues with the
backup
software, so I'm in conversations with the software vendor. Anyway,
that's
just a temp distraction. I will get there.

Thanks for your support,

Regards from down under,

David



You are looking only at the Volume List, which is at the top of the
window,
by default. Maybe you haven't Maximized the Disk Management window and
cannot see the Graphical View at the bottom of the window. The Graphical
View doesn't bother to put column headings, but the left-most column
shows
the PHYSICAL DISK number, not the partition (volume) letter.

It appears that my Disk 0 has the System
Partition and Boot Volume as well as other things.

You should, at any one time, see ONE System Partition and ONE Boot
Volume -
and they may or may not be the SAME volume. Are they, in your system?
But,
at another time, when you dual-boot into a different OS (WinXP?), the
System
Partition should remain the same volume, but a different volume will have
the Boot status - and the volume that was labeled Boot before will now be
"just another volume". Well, it will no longer the Boot volume, but if
it
was the System Partition (in Vista?), it still should have that status.
Remember the "Y": It stands on a single leg (the one System Partition)
and
can branch to any one of multiple Boot Volumes - but only one at a time
will
be the current boot volume.

I have downloaded VistaBootPro 3.3 is that all I need to download?
Is EasyBCD any better or they both do the same job? You haven't
made any reference to these utilities. Aside from that I think I'm
just
about ready to go, ("good to go"). Thanks again for your help mate (in
the
U.S. I think you say "buddy"). Much appreciated.

I've used the third-party BCD managers just enough to know that I prefer
to
use BCDEdit. Yes, it's clumsy and inscrutable and "techy", but I got
familiar with it during the Vista beta.

But you shouldn't need any 3rd-party programs. Just make up your mind
and
go for it. You started this thread more than a week ago and you've
received
nearly 2 dozen replies from nearly a dozen helpers. And you haven't
actually tried anything yet. You could read about "how to ride a
bicycle"
for years but, until you actually get on the bike, you still won't
understand what the book is trying to tell you. And, until you actually
try
to partition and format that new drive, you won't really understand Disk
Management. You'll understand it better after you've "crashed your bike"
a
couple of times, recovered from the crash, and tried again.

Please don't send me an email about this. Netiquette frowns on email
responses to newsgroup posts. In email, only two parties can benefit;
here
in the newsgroup, others can participate and learn or help, too. If my
answer is wrong or incomplete, someone here can correct or complete it.
If
I give you bad advice in email, you're just stuck with it.

Good luck, Mate!

RC

"DavidG" wrote in message
...
G'day RC,

You sound just like an Aussie.

To matters partitioning,

In disk management my computer shows

Disk 0 (C as 465GB NTFS (with Vista)
It is healthy with (System, Boot, Page File, Active, Crash Dump,

Primary Partition)

Disk 1 Storage (D as 698GB NTFS (just data storage)
Healthy (Primary Partition).

I haven't physically installed the 3rd XP disk yet. (I want to

make sure I understand exactly what I'm doing before I go messing

something up).

Having said that I'm sure I have enough information and support, I

just need to read over it all and absorb it.

I note that Disk Management has a first column called "Volume", but

I suspect this is at odds with what you have described, or is it?

What I've also gathered is there is a limit of 4 partitions to a

disk. But I can create an Extended Partition that can house

additional partitions. It appears that my Disk 0 has the System

Partition and Boot Volume as well as other things.

I have downloaded VistaBootPro 3.3 is that all I need to download?

Is EasyBCD any better or they both do the same job? You haven't

made any reference to these utilities. Aside from that I think I'm
just
about ready to go, ("good to go"). Thanks again for your help mate (in
the
U.S. I think you say "buddy"). Much appreciated.



"R. C. White" wrote:

G'day, Mate! (Did I say that right? g )

The only reason I'm putting in the extra HDD
is because of the negatives I've heard about 2 OSs on 1 drive. Am I
misled?

The problem is in our often-imprecise use of the word "drive". Just
like
many other words ("right" and "left" come to mind), this word means
different things at different times, depending on the context.

If "drive" means a single partition or logical drive, then the
negatives
you've heard are very true.

But if "drive" means a physical hard disk drive, then I'm in big
trouble
because I have SIX versions of Windows installed on my 1 TB Disk 1, my
second HDD! I'm currently running the Win7 x64 RC from the 9th
logical
drive on that disk!

Rather than type it all over again, let me paste what I just typed in
another newsgroup. It's partly a repeat of what I just said - or said
in
an
earlier post - but it seems to need the repetition:

paste
About "drive" letters: This is one of my pet peeves because it is one
of
the hardest mindsets to break! "Drive" has many meanings, just like
"right"
and "left" and so many other English words. And in computer-speak, it
sometimes refers to the physical hardware, but more often to just a
partition - just a defined portion of the physical disk. Our often
cavalier
use of the word "drive" causes one of the biggest fallacies ingrained
into
the minds of new computer users - and the fallacy persists even in
many
(most?) computer veterans. :(

"Drive" letters are never assigned to physical disks; those are
assigned
NUMBERS, not letters. They start with zero, which is why Disk
Management
calls the HDDs "Disk 0", "Disk 1", etc. Each "drive" letter actually
is
assigned to a "volume", which can be either a primary partition or a
logical
drive in an extended partition on an HDD - or to a partition on a
flash
drive (not the flash drive itself) or to a partition on a CD/DVD drive
(not
to the whole drive) or to a camera or a card reader. (I've never had
a
network, but I understand that they also use "drive" letters.) But we
began
to refer to Drive A: way back when we first started to use floppy
disks
in
the 1970's - and the term really did refer to the whole 67.5 KB
diskette.
The name stuck when we added hard disk drives, reserving letters A:
and
B:
for the typical two floppy drives and assigning Drive C: to THE hard
disk.
Then we learned how to divide the hard disk platter into "partitions"
and
assign a different letter to each partition. But we continued to use
the
term "drive" to refer to each of the partitions, rather than to the
entire
disk. When we began to need more than 4 partitions on a single disk,
we
created one "extended partition" on the disk; we did not assign a
letter
to
the extended partition, but we created one or more logical drives in
the
extended partition and assigned a "drive" letter to each of those
logical
drives. (We now often use the term "volume" to refer to either a
primary
partition or a logical drive.) And then came optical drives, flash
drives
and all those other "drives".

If you run Disk Management, you will see this clearly in the Graphical
View.
Disk 0 might include 2 primary partitions and an extended partition
with
3
logical drives. The "drive" letters might be F:, C:, X:, D:, R:...
In
other words, the letters are independent of the sequence on the HDD.
In
fact, there may not be a Drive C: at all - which blows the mindset I
mentioned, but is perfectly legal.

Vista changed the algorithm for assigning drive letters during Setup.
In
WinXP, Setup first assigned Drive C: to the System Partition, which
usually
was also the boot volume. (See the oft-cited KB 314470 for the
counterintuitive definitions of "system volume" and "boot volume" -
legacy
terms that cause and perpetuate much confusion.) Then it assigned
letters
to the other partitions, optical drives, etc. Vista Setup, though,
when
run
by booting from the Vista DVD, assigns Drive C: to its own boot
volume,
which might be the 3rd partition on the second HDD! And then it
assigns
other letters in sequence, starting over with the first primary
partition
on
Disk 0, so it is quite probable that in a computer that already has an
OS
installed, the System Partition will become Drive D:. This will NOT
confuse
the computer, or Vista or other Windows installations - or any
well-written
utility or application. But it WILL confuse any user who is bound by
the
WinXP mindset. They will think it is "weird". :^}

We should always assign each volume a unique name (label), which will
be
written to the disk and will be the same, no matter which OS is
running,
and
no matter what "drive" letter is currently assigned.
/paste

Thanks for confirming that you have only a single partition on each of
your
HDDs. In that configuration, which is very typical, it's hard to see
the
distinction between the whole drive and the partition that covers the
whole
drive. One analogy might be a house that has only a single big room.
When
you enter the house, you enter the room - and when you leave the room,
you're out of the house. But if that house has six rooms with six
outside
doors, you can enter Room 1 without even knowing that Room 3 exists.
And
if
you've never seen a house with more than one room, you might have
trouble
picturing one in your mind.

You really need to run Disk Management and study what it tells you
about
your 3 HDDs. Hook 'em all up, then boot into Vista (or WinXP or
whichever
Windows is available) and run Disk Management. The easiest way is to
just
press Start, type "diskmgmt.msc" and press Enter. Maximize the window
and
the Status column so that you can see which is the System and Boot
volume(s). The Help file here is loaded with good information, but it
has
some flaws. First, this Help covers the entire Microsoft Management
Console
(MMC) and you want to focus on just the Disk Management parts.
Second,
it
is organized as a reference, not as a text or tutorial, so you can't
just
start at the beginning and read straight through. And, third, it
covers
some advanced features that you and I don't need to know yet (like GPT
disks
and dynamic volumes), so we have to kind of "read around" those parts.
But
an hour spent in this Help file will tell you more than I can about
how
your
hard disks are organized and can be used.

The 3rd volume is a Seagate Baracuda
500GB this is the one I propose installing and putting XP on.

No. That HDD is not a "volume". Once you use Disk Management to
create
a
partition on it, that partition will be a "volume". That volume can
be
any
size up to 500 GB, the whole HDD. But WinXP doesn't need nearly that
much
room.

If it were my system, I would first create a small partition (5 GB is
way
more than big enough, but you have "more disk space than you'll ever
need",
right?) that I could use for a System Partition, but leave it
formatted
and
empty; for now it's just a place holder. Then create a second
partition;
30
GB is more than plenty; name it "WinXP Pro"; assign it any available
letter
that you like, let's say "X" for XP; format it NTFS. Now, while still
in
Vista, insert the WinXP CD-ROM and run its Setup.exe to install WinXP
to
your new Drive X:.

Caveat: I've not installed WinXP over Win7. Which WinXP you have?
Is
SP3
included? Even SP3 does not know how to integrate with Vista or Win7.
With
any version of WinXP, you probably will need to boot from the Vista
DVD
later and let it repair the System Partition - because you are
violating
the
Golden Rule (newest system LAST) that I mentioned in my first post.

Now, reboot. It SHOULD start booting from your System Partition
(still
the
only partition on your first HDD, which has Vista installed) and
present
the
bootmgr menu with two choices (earlier and Vista). Choose Vista and
verify