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October 2nd 09, 05:25 AM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like
this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt .. .. .. 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas 
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October 2nd 09, 09:03 AM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation
marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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October 2nd 09, 02:30 PM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
Since the space is the lowest value we were counting on it ALWAYS being
sorted first. What is actually happening is that it is SOMETIMES being sorted first. I must have been unclear with my post. The list starts out with the spaces first then it puts the dashes in the list and the spaces last. It certainly matches the definition of strange. If you are right that spaces should always be first the it also matches the definition of broken. Thanks for trying to help. Chas "Richard G. Harper" wrote: That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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October 2nd 09, 04:45 PM
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That's an excellent suggestion thanks. I had checked that article already. It doesn't explain the behavior. Thanks, Chas "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Chas. You might find some insight into the sorting algorithm in this KB article: The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827 Since I don't have the problem myself, I haven't studied this thoroughly, but It should answer some questions for you. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
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October 2nd 09, 06:10 PM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
On the other hand. Changing the setting to the other sort behavior does fix this problem in Vista. So I'll do without numerical sorting since it doesn't work and use the old style which does. Thanks, chas "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Chas. You might find some insight into the sorting algorithm in this KB article: The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827 Since I don't have the problem myself, I haven't studied this thoroughly, but It should answer some questions for you. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "chasgl" wrote in message ... Since the space is the lowest value we were counting on it ALWAYS being sorted first. What is actually happening is that it is SOMETIMES being sorted first. I must have been unclear with my post. The list starts out with the spaces first then it puts the dashes in the list and the spaces last. It certainly matches the definition of strange. If you are right that spaces should always be first the it also matches the definition of broken. Thanks for trying to help. Chas "Richard G. Harper" wrote: That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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October 2nd 09, 04:45 PM
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That's an excellent suggestion thanks. I had checked that article already. It doesn't explain the behavior. Thanks, Chas "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Chas. You might find some insight into the sorting algorithm in this KB article: The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827 Since I don't have the problem myself, I haven't studied this thoroughly, but It should answer some questions for you. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
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October 2nd 09, 06:10 PM
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On the other hand. Changing the setting to the other sort behavior does fix this problem in Vista. So I'll do without numerical sorting since it doesn't work and use the old style which does. Thanks, chas "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Chas. You might find some insight into the sorting algorithm in this KB article: The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827 Since I don't have the problem myself, I haven't studied this thoroughly, but It should answer some questions for you. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "chasgl" wrote in message ... Since the space is the lowest value we were counting on it ALWAYS being sorted first. What is actually happening is that it is SOMETIMES being sorted first. I must have been unclear with my post. The list starts out with the spaces first then it puts the dashes in the list and the spaces last. It certainly matches the definition of strange. If you are right that spaces should always be first the it also matches the definition of broken. Thanks for trying to help. Chas "Richard G. Harper" wrote: That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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October 2nd 09, 02:44 PM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
Hi, Chas.
You might find some insight into the sorting algorithm in this KB article: The sort order for files and folders whose names contain numerals is different in Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003 than it is in Windows 2000 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/319827 Since I don't have the problem myself, I haven't studied this thoroughly, but It should answer some questions for you. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "chasgl" wrote in message ... Since the space is the lowest value we were counting on it ALWAYS being sorted first. What is actually happening is that it is SOMETIMES being sorted first. I must have been unclear with my post. The list starts out with the spaces first then it puts the dashes in the list and the spaces last. It certainly matches the definition of strange. If you are right that spaces should always be first the it also matches the definition of broken. Thanks for trying to help. Chas "Richard G. Harper" wrote: That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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October 2nd 09, 02:30 PM
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Funny alphabetation in Windows explorer
Since the space is the lowest value we were counting on it ALWAYS being
sorted first. What is actually happening is that it is SOMETIMES being sorted first. I must have been unclear with my post. The list starts out with the spaces first then it puts the dashes in the list and the spaces last. It certainly matches the definition of strange. If you are right that spaces should always be first the it also matches the definition of broken. Thanks for trying to help. Chas "Richard G. Harper" wrote: That strange thing would happen because dashes, spaces and other punctuation marks in file or folder names are alphabetized as well as letters and numbers. If you check a chart of character codes you'll find that a blank space is the lowest possible character code and therefore will always be sorted to the top of a list. This has been the way it has always worked in Windows. It can't be "fixed" because it's not "broken". "chasgl" wrote in message ... My sweety and I take pictures and store them in folders. I label mine like this 2009 09 22. My sweety does 2009-09-22. We figured that way they would appear by date and each of ours would be separate. But the order comes out like this 2009 08 27 Near Ali and Saida's mostly biking 2009 08 28 Saida and Ali return Arc de Triumph and Tour Effel a bunch of other folders 2009-01-04. Dhyana-Terri in town.breakfast 2009-02-27. Party-Selim.Saida,Ali.Dan.Matt . . . 2009-09-14 Lemgo 2009-09-23 Austin Property 2009 08 29 Sacre-coer 2009 08 30. Vaux-Le-Vicomte. Ali+M+C So first are some with 2009space etc then some 2009- etc then some 2009space etc Why would this strange thing happen? Any way to fix it? Thanks, Chas
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